13 Apr 2018 03:04:50
Flyers have cap space for 2018-19 and potentially need a third line centre until prospects can come up. They also need another RHD prospect and scoring winger prospects and have an abundance of LHD players and prospects (Sanheim, Morin, Hagg, Provorov, Gostisbehere).

Dallas desperately needs secondary scoring from resilient (non-injury prone) players.

Ottawa needs prospects - lots of them.

Trade 1:
DAL: Simmonds ($3.975MM NTC until 2019)
PHI: 2018 1st (13th overall), 2018 2nd, 2018 CHI 4th, Jason Spezza ($7.5MM until 2019 M-NTC/NMC) (cap dump)
Simmonds accepts because he'll want a new deal in a state tax free jurisdiction and Dallas has cap space. Spezza accepts because the Flyers are in the playoffs this year and present a better opportunity to win next year)

Trade 2:
PHI: 2018 1st (2nd overall)
OTT: STL 2018 1st (14th overall), PHI 2018 (19th overall), Sam Morin, Mike Vecchione
(Morin is NHL ready and would've been on the roster but for Travis Sanheim, Dave Hakstol, and 2 injuries. Vecchione is NHL ready with a 3C ceiling)

Flyers draft:
2nd overall: Andrei Svechnikov or Brady Tkachuk
13th overall: Bode Wilde, Ryan Merkeley, or Grigori Denisenko

1.) 13 Apr 2018
13 Apr 2018 05:55:22
haven't gostisbehere and provorov played the last 2-3 seasons?

2.) 13 Apr 2018
13 Apr 2018 06:30:40
Tkatchuk 2nd overall yikes man better options! But fits their org mold for sure. Also for sure not trading Vecchione, guy chose to sign there they won’t trade him.

3.) 13 Apr 2018
13 Apr 2018 12:26:54
Dallas won’t trade that pick as they are hosting the draft. And imo that’s not enough to move up to 2nd overall.

4.) 13 Apr 2018
13 Apr 2018 15:55:40
PKane88: yes, Provorov has been playing for 2 years and Ghost for 3 years. That's why I said players and prospects.

McJesus: I've seen Tkachuk as high as second but on average 4th overall. I haven't seen Tkachuk, Svechnikov etc play so I trust draft boards. The only consensus I've seen in this draft is Dahlin = 1st overall.

I'll disagree on Vecchione. He signed before last year's draft lottery and Nolan Patrick occupying a spot in the lineup. I think Hextall sees Vorobyev as higher than Vecchione. As a more mature college player, his upside is lower but entry to the NHL quicker than a draft pick or Voro. It'd be a favour to Vecchione to get him playing NHL minutes.

vbbbvvbb: they'd be more reluctant to trade it for sure but it's not out of the question. Getting Simmonds and making a splash in free agency (Tavares? Kane? ) would offset any PR backlash by trading a pick. It's a consideration but I couldn't see them keeping it when it would make sense for them to trade it given the right deal.

PS I could also see this type of trade (trading for 2-5 overall) working with other teams that need prospect depth vice top line quality. I could see Ottawa and Arizona looking to trade down for additional 1st round picks. Philadelphia has tremendous depth but need top line quality. New York is looking to trade up as well.
Just my thoughts.

5.) 13 Apr 2018
13 Apr 2018 16:04:42
vbbbvvbb: "And imo that’s not enough to move up to 2nd overall" I think it's plenty to move up. This draft is not 2015. It's not enough to get Dahlin but 14th, 19th, Morin, and Vecchione is definitely a solid offer.

Morin is NHL ready and is an immediate improvement to their bottom pair, if not their 4 spot. Although the fact that he's a former 1st rounder is irrelevant, he was drafted as a project with a later NHL entry date. He'd be on the Flyers now if not for aforementioned reasons.

Vecchione will never be a top 6 forward but is a good NHL prospect that is NHL ready. Many Flyers fans argue he should've been on the roster this year but blame Hakstol's infatuation with slow, aging veterans.

This is for 2nd overall, not Jack Eichel 2nd overall. 14th and 19th are quality picks and 2-5 overall doesn't guarantee a game changing player ie Dylan Strome. The value is there.

6.) 13 Apr 2018
13 Apr 2018 17:15:10
Imo you overrate Morin. Even with Sanhiem who is much better/ Valuable I doubt the other team would accept.

7.) 13 Apr 2018
13 Apr 2018 17:31:50
Frankly, I don't think you know enough about Morin or Sanheim to make that determination. Sure, Sanheim definitely has a higher ceiling.
It was a toss-up as to who would stay with the team after training camp. Both had great camps and if we didn't have so many young defencemen, both would have made it. Morin also would've drawn into the lineup this year after AMac's injury and Gudas' suspension but Morin got hurt. He was snakebitten this year but was certainly meritorous.

2 mid firsts, Morin, and Vecchione is a solid offer that suits the needs of both parties, not a lopsided homer proposal. I'd hate to give up Morin and those picks, but quality is the cost of quality.

8.) 13 Apr 2018
13 Apr 2018 20:43:42
I just think you underestimate the value of the 2nd overall pick no it’s not in the same Catagory as Dahlin but the team trading the pick would need to be an offensive loaded team in desperate need of defence and is no where near contention. So possibly Buffalo is really the only choice the asking price would start with Provornov straight up or Ghost++. Regardless top 5 picks don’t get traded.

9.) 13 Apr 2018
13 Apr 2018 21:15:04
Ottawa aren't trading that pick
Dream on and enjoy the series.

10.) 14 Apr 2018
13 Apr 2018 23:55:20
vbbb: I think you overestimate the 2nd overall pick. These are highly talented yet unproven players. Again, please stop acting like mid-first round picks are worthless. The two leading contenders for the Calder Trophy (Barzal and McAvoy) were taken in the teens. The quality is there. I can name a bunch of recent Top 5 picks that have underwhelmed (Reinharts, Yakupov, E Lindholm, Bennett, Dal Colle, D Strome, Juolevi) .

For teams looking for a complete rebuild that who miss out on Dahlin, getting two picks in the teens and a solid prospect is worthwhile. One can argue that Ottawa and Arizona need prospect depth and should sacrifice quality for less quality but quantity. All of those top teams need a Dahlin, but there's a distinct difference between 1 and 2. It's a reasonable strategy. The teams that could trade that pick suck overall and could use any player, but the logic is that two players are better than one and quality picks occur in the teens.

Any team would love to have Dahlin, but the Flyers are one of the last teams that need him given their quality and youth on defence.

11.) 14 Apr 2018
13 Apr 2018 23:57:59
Keyhabs: I'm a cynic by nature so I'll assume the "enjoy the series" remark was directed at the Flyers playing Spearing Sidney and the Cowardly Pengwhines. If so, stones and glass houses and such. Enjoy the offseason with Bergevin with a cancerous Weber contract, no starting centre, a thin prospect pool, and a listless captain leading to a decade of mediocrity.

12.) 14 Apr 2018
14 Apr 2018 01:05:13
Arizona does not need depth they’re pretty loaded could use another dman and Center. Ottawa has good depth at all positions imo. Neither team is looking to trade that pick only team that could potentially is Edmonton and they’re searching for a different package. Maybe Simmonds and Ghost for Tkachuk? That’s what I’d ask for if I were Edmonton. A potential gritty presence that’s will likely put up 30-40-70 seasons considering he’s more hyped then his bro who is already a Cornerstone piece.

13.) 14 Apr 2018
14 Apr 2018 03:46:04
Just took a quick overview of Zthe sens prospect pool there C depth is very solid but they do need a stud dman. So I think a Provornov-Svechnikov/ Tkachuk swap would be fair.

14.) 14 Apr 2018
14 Apr 2018 16:48:25
vbbb: Arizona has lots of top prospects (if you consider Dylan Strome to still be a top prospect) but little depth. Ottawa does not have a strong prospect pool. In fact, the Hockey Writers ranked them 27/ 31 at the start of this season. The Senators need depth; they need everything. I suggested Arizona and Ottawa because several pundits (I can't find the article) suggested that they consider trading down. Dorion very recently ruled it out.

You completely underestimate Ghost and Provorov. Provorov is a #1 defenceman at 21 years old and was tied for the most goals among defencemen in the league this year. Ghost finished with 65 points, 3 off the lead for defencemen. Their analytics numbers were through the roof; they didn't get much credit because they were only paired together the last 3 third of the season.

It's hilarious that you think Simmonds+Ghost = Tkachuk. I'd take Ghost over Matthew Tkachuk right now. Provorov for Tkachuk is an even bigger joke.

You're clueless.

15.) 14 Apr 2018
14 Apr 2018 18:26:27
Ghost is 1 dimensional I’ll take Mathew Tkachuk over him any day. Obviously Provornov is amazing and almost any team besides Carolina/ Nashville/ Calargry would take Provornov over Brady Tkachuk both will be elite. But you don’t trade a top 5 pick unless it’s an offer so ridiculous you can’t say no to.

16.) 14 Apr 2018
14 Apr 2018 19:51:08
Ghost is far from 1 dimensional. He's been a very complete defenceman this year and managed to rack up 65 points. 65 points! Again, you're clueless. Any team would take Provorov, proven at the NHL level, over a talented yet ultimately unproven entity in Brady Tkachuk. Furthermore, Provorov is a better defenceman than Matthew Tkachuk is a forward.

"But you don’t trade a top 5 pick unless it’s an offer so ridiculous you can’t say no to" Again, this assumes that the top 5 pick is a surefire NHL star, which it's not. Hello Dylan Strome, Nail Yakupov etc. 14th and 19th overall gives you two quality players.

17.) 14 Apr 2018
14 Apr 2018 20:30:57
I believe Brady Tkachuk>>Mathew Tkachuk and I’m sure anyone who’s seen both play would agree. Ghost is a younger Kevin Shattenkurk. I don’t claim to be a Flyers fan but from what I’ve seen his minutes are sheltered. Again I don’t watch majority of his games. I like him but I’ll take both Tkachuk over him on a leafs team who needs a RHD so that says a lot. Also you’re talking like 14th and 19th overall are going to play in the NHL. They both have potential to be stars but they’re far more likely to bust while the 2nd overall pick is almost guaranteed to be a cornerstone player. I’m not denying in what you stated Provornov>Tkachuk and I’m not saying flyers should accept it but that’s what it’d take.

18.) 14 Apr 2018
14 Apr 2018 22:36:19
Yo 1st off you need to understand that they call it a draft (lottery) for a reason!

Just because ottawa finished 2nd last in the standings it doesn't mean they will get the 2nd overall pick. They won't get lower than the 5th pick but also have the 2nd best odds of getting the "number 1" pick.

That being said, this package yet again is a major low ball offer towards the sens like every other pathetic excuse of a trade proposal most of you people post. Get real and start basing returns on their players and assets with actually value not your own messed up thoughts on how they aren't worth equal value to their other team equivalents!

19.) 15 Apr 2018
14 Apr 2018 23:46:09
vbbb: you admittedly know very little about the Flyers then talk about how Ghost's minutes are sheltered from what you've seen. To correct you yet again, host plays on the top pair with Provorov and goes against the other team's best lines. The only favourable minutes he gets is on the power play. Ghost was a younger Kevin Shattenkirk when he first entered the league, but not know. Catch up. You keep digging the hole deeper for yourself.

"I like him but I’ll take both Tkachuk over him on a leafs team who needs a RHD so that says a lot" this implies, but it's not explicitly stated, that Ghost is a RHD. He's not, he plays RD but is left handed. Again, you're clueless.

The second overall pick is not almost guaranteed to be a cornerstone player. Again, Yakupov, Murray, Strome etc. And I don't talk as though mid-firsts are guaranteed to be NHL players; you fail to recognize the fact that there are two mid-firsts. Teams wanting to hedge their bets and get two quality players can trade down vice taking the chance to get one very skilled player but it turn out to be a Yakupov.

20.) 15 Apr 2018
14 Apr 2018 23:52:15
"Yo 1st off you need to understand that they call it a draft (lottery) for a reason! " No sh*t Sherlock, but it makes it way more difficult to propose a trade with %7.5 chance of the 3rd overall pick etc. It would be impossible to propose a trade otherwise so we assume the draft lottery plays out like the percentages indicate.

As to your last paragraph, I base mine off the value of draft picks by Scott Cullen at TSN and Stats Sports Consulting. My proposed trade of PHI-OTT is below:

Cullen:
2nd overall: 7.79

14th overall: 5.25
19th overall: 4.44

Even without Morin and Vecchione, it's technically overpayment.

SCS:
2nd overall: 871

14th overall: 456
19th overall: 364

Morin and Vecchione certainly bridge the 51 point gap.

"Get real and start basing returns on their players and assets with actually value not your own messed up thoughts on how they aren't worth equal value to their other team equivalents"

Who has the messed up thoughts? You're clueless.

21.) 15 Apr 2018
15 Apr 2018 16:17:23
14th and 19th pick have what? A 30 to 35% chance at best of making a real impact in the nhl and not just being role players. They are very rare.
Top 10 have a 50 to 65% chance of making that impact while top 5 are between 70 and 85% which is all but a guarrenteed they'll be something.
This is the equivalent of trading Erik karlsson for yannik Weber and Ben Ryan. who you ask? Exactly my point, it's a trade no-one in there right mind would even consider.

If ottawa had any intention of moving that pick, especially not knowing if it'll turn into the 1st or not and I'm not saying they should because I wouldn't, it would be the islanders who would have the best shot at landing it.

Nyi : both 1sts they own (8th and 10th overall), the rights to Tavares

Ott : Ottawa's 1st (top 5 overall no matter what but best projected at 1 or 2), and either gaborik, Smith, and burrows or Ryan, and gaborik.

Islanders take the risk at 1 or 2 by giving 2 top 10 with the lowest odds at number 1 plus the rights to a superstar who refuses to resign with them and might very well refuse ottawa too and taking on 2 big cap hits one (ryan) who is still a good threat offensively for reasons I've stated in the past.

Ottawa loses its best chance at dahlin but gains 2 more slight chances to move up in a weak draft year and a shot to sign Tavares before anyone else talks to him all while dumping 2 huge contracts which would free the money needed to sign Tavares as well as EK and stone.

Trade value of draft picks example I have off the top of my head is the 2008 draft class when ottawa traded the 17th overall pick plus a 3rd round pick that year to move up just 2 spots to 15th and draft Erik karlsson.
keep in mind that no-one at that point in time could have ever imagined that EK would go on to become the best defenceman in the world.
But a trade for a pick only 2 spots higher costed them a 3rd on top of theirs for a pick that wasn't even top 10.
Trades like this happen every single year and thus if the 15th is worth that much then 1 or 2 with most definitely be worth a whole lot more

22.) 15 Apr 2018
15 Apr 2018 16:39:31
If you’re offered to Role the dice between- Tyler Seguin, Gabriel Landeskog, Ryan Murray, Alexander Barkov, Sam Rienhart, Jack Eichel, Patrick Liane and Nolan Patrick or a package of Ghost and Simmonds. I’m rolling the dice especially considering Svechnikov is much more Hyped then Rienhart, Murray and probably Patrick.

23.) 15 Apr 2018
15 Apr 2018 16:54:56
Firstly, I doubt Svechnikov is more hyped than Reinhart, Murray, and Patrick. There's a recency effect at play; we only remember Reinhart now that he's underwhelmed rather than remembering his pre-draft hype.

Secondly, I didn't propose Simmonds and Ghost for X player. However, Ghost is better than at least half of your list and that doesn't include Simmonds.

24.) 15 Apr 2018
15 Apr 2018 16:59:20
NoBiasRambo:

Your Ottawa trade is massive overpayment by the Islanders. Do me a favour and post that in its own thread.

Where did you come up with those numbers in the start of your post? ie the 30-35%, 50-65%, and 70-85% chance? Let me guess - these are your own messed up thoughts.

"This is the equivalent of trading Erik karlsson for yannik Weber and Ben Ryan. who you ask? Exactly my point, it's a trade no-one in there right mind would even consider. "

This is the most idiotic statement I've read on here in a while and is not at all what I suggested. I proposed trading draft picks, not NHL players. There's a massive difference between trading upcoming draft picks and real NHL players, especially veterans like the ones you cited. No sane person proposes trades of veteran players based on their draft position. Give your head a shake.

25.) 16 Apr 2018
15 Apr 2018 23:24:13
How on earth is that possibly an over payment from the islanders easy e? Like get real dude!

Tavares and Josh Bailey will not be back in New York next season. frees up over 12 million which is more than enough to take on either of those packages. Ryan provides some of the scoring they'll miss from JT as well. and any of the top 3 PICKS are and always have been worth at least 2 top 5 to 10 picks. if it ends up being 1st overall this year with dahlin as the prize then that alone is worth everything they gave up just based on his hype alone. outside the top 5 this is a very weak draft class as well. ottawa is basically hoping one of those picks breaks in to top 3 via lottery odds if anything.

26.) 16 Apr 2018
16 Apr 2018 00:52:37
I’ll definitely take Landeskog, Seguin, Eichel, Liane and Barkov over Ghost. I’ll even roll the dice on Patrick watching him play I think he has tremendous potential.