19 Oct 2017 22:29:44
To ottawa : doughty, Duchene

To Los Angeles: turris, chlapic, Phaneuf, dzingle, barrie

To colorado : ceci, white, tofolli, dustin brown


To break it down ottawa sends Pheneuf, chlapic, and dzingle to Los Angeles for brown, and Tofoli.

Ottawa then flips brown and tofoli to Colorado with Ceci and white to get Barrie and Duchene.

Then ottawa flips Barrie along with turris to los angeles for doughty.


La needs a center now to replace Carter who likely won't be back this year, doughty wants to play with a contender which ottawa is, and Colorado gets what they want for Duchene, ottawa adds a couple pieces that could help them take the next step.

1.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 01:07:02
😳😳😳😳🙅🏿.

2.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 02:04:09
What have I just read.

3.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 05:50:15
You should probably deactivate your account after that post.

4.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 12:11:48
La gets eaten alive.

5.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 14:22:13
Makes sense seeing as how you're a Sens fan and given that team's inability to sell out their home barn I'm guessing you've never seen a hockey game.

6.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 17:08:55
How do you figure the kings to be shafted TopShelfSlappers? Lmfao


They lose their top defenceman doughty, a top 6 winger tofoli, and the worst contract in the trade in brown,
and in return they pick up 2 top 55 defencemen one who can log doughty like minutes in Barrie and not look out of place, and one who can solidify their 2nd pair in Phaneuf (whos contract is more benificial than browns as it expires 2 years earlier), plus they get a center who can challenge for the top spot in turris, a top 6 winger in dzingle to take toffoli spot, and a very solid prospect in chlapic. To say kings were ripped makes you dumber than a door nob.

And the Colorado end they give up a top 6 center who wants out anyway and who's value continues to drop the more sakic drags it on, and a top 4 defenceman,
In return they get their insane asking price for Duchene in top 4 defenceman Cody Ceci who has stepped up his game so far this year as expected from a young guy with the potential he has, an elite level prospect in white, and a top 6 winger in tuffoli gets Barrie do to the sens giving so much for Duchene, Colorado also takes brown as a cap dump to make it happen cap wise but in doing so they add experience and veteran leadership.

Ottawa lands an elite level defenceman in doughty that was very well payed for and basically a left handed Kyle turris with a bit more speed in Duchene.

Anyone who knows anything about hockey can tell you this is a hockey trade three ways as it benefits all 3 teams, both ottawa and Los Angeles benefit now while colorado gets a bright future which is what they are looking for in a Duchene deal anyway.

7.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 17:19:40
Just because some of you guys under value sens players doesn't make you right about their value. Get off you nhl video games and come back to the real world and you'd notice that real life trade values differ from that of a video game counter part. Unlike some of you guys I actually do follow the sport and don't over value players like duchene based on a ridiculas asking price by his gm or under value players turris or Phaneuf based on the team they play for or a contract they signed.

I actually do my homework on players which is more than I can say for you lot. This is why I always place in top 10 of any hockey pools I join.

8.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 17:24:01
And stinks I've been to plenty games and for the record the sens don't need to sell out to out sell the majority of the league. Top 4 in last year's playoffs, ottawa was number 1 in ticket sales out selling even a sold out pitsberg arena. So take that comment and leave it in the trash with the rest of the dirt coming out of your mouth.

9.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 19:51:56
You definitely under value Toffoli. Easy no from LA for sure.

10.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 20:17:51
I dunno senskill, I don't see how they outsell a full capacity penguins game when their stadium seats almost 2400 people less than pittsburghs, but I'm sure you have your own proof in your head of that. Also senators had almost 3000 empty seats for game 6 of the east final last year. That's embarrassing no matter how you slice it.

11.) 20 Oct 2017
20 Oct 2017 22:08:31
Also I appreciate irony as much as the next guy and when someone calls someone else "Dummer than a door nob", not knowin himself that there's a silent K in knob, it makes me smile. Good on a Friday. Thanks senskill.

12.) 21 Oct 2017
21 Oct 2017 00:22:39
i wouldn't be calling the breakdowns as players being "flipped" moreso than a straight up huge 3 team trade.

13.) 21 Oct 2017
21 Oct 2017 00:57:47
Oh nice I was just wandering what I need more than anything, and a grammar lesson from someone who actually believes ottawa was out sold in ticket sales in last year's final 4 when it was actually proven they were number 1 of the 4 is just what the doctor ordered unbiasedjim.

14.) 21 Oct 2017
21 Oct 2017 01:04:45
Would you trade Karlsson and Hoffman for Jeff Carter, Tyson Barrie, Tanner Pearson, Adrian Kempe and a 1st?

15.) 21 Oct 2017
21 Oct 2017 01:05:44
For someone with unbiased in his user name you certainly over value certain players like tuffoli and Duchene while not giving other players, specifically sens players like turris, Phaneuf, dzingle, Ceci, and Ryan, the credit they deserve. You constantly bad mouth them based on stupidity rather than actually looking up their stats and history, or watching them play more than just 1 game. Every player might suck the odd game, that don't mean they are going to suck all the time.

16.) 21 Oct 2017
21 Oct 2017 01:27:46
Duchene and turris have identical stats, histories, and in game performances in roughly the same number of games and Duchene played with better line mates for half of that time period yet a number of you somehow seem to think he's still worth more than turris. Not true.

Doughty is great yes and tuffoli is streaky at best, sort of like a poor man's Bobby ryan, add the 5 year contract of Dustin Brown to lower the value of that package and sending back turris a top 6 center at worst, Phaneuf a solid 3-4 defenceman to make up browns bad contract with one that is 2 years shorter, Barrie a proven top 4 defenceman who can log top 2 minutes, chlapic who is a top 3 or 4 prospect in ottawas system with a ton of potential, and dzingle is not that far off what tuffoli can do anyway.

Duchene worth a bit more than tuffoli, Barrie worth a bit more than Ceci, but adding white 2nd best prospect in Ottawa's system and highly sought over by other teams in the league, and the contract, leadership, and experience of Dustin Brown to the mix and it balances out.

17.) 21 Oct 2017
21 Oct 2017 01:46:43
Wow you really are delusional af.

18.) 21 Oct 2017
21 Oct 2017 01:54:42
Englander that's nowhere close to the same value I mentioned.

Sure doughty And karlsson are roughly the same value, but Hoffman out values tuffoli anyday due to greater point totals and consistency, Barrie in both deals cancels himself out, Pearson and dzingle are roughly the same, Phaneuf far more valuable than clempe, chlapic = a 1st round pick, while turris > carter for a number of reasons not including points per game totals as that roughly equal but rather age for instance, turris in his prime while Carter is much older and bound to go on the decline in the next couple years, plus he just suffered a season ending injury.

19.) 21 Oct 2017
21 Oct 2017 08:29:00
Facelift39 lmao I'm delusional?

At least I can back my trade proposals up with cold hard facts stemming straight from nhl. com and backed with full stats and player historys as well as putting a proper value on top prospects rather than basing their value solely on the number of nhl games they've played.

Guys like you can easily make claims that my proposals are no good and that I'm delususional because of them but the fact is you guys can't back up what you're putting out there while I can with support from nhl official web site.

You continually say my trades are bad but you can't offer 1 reason why to back up your claims because you know they're not bad. Sure the odd 1 every once in a while could use some twerking but not all of them and certainly not this one.

20.) 21 Oct 2017
21 Oct 2017 12:09:56
Phaneuf is the same in value as Brown. Look what Toronto took to give him to you. A 2nd, a guy shipped for Pickard and three cap dumps. His value has also dropped significantly since.

As well, we don't undervalue Dzingel and Chlapik. We just think that they are both much worse than anything else. They are the two worst assetts (apart from Brown) in The deal.

21.) 21 Oct 2017
21 Oct 2017 13:51:25
Okay no Kempe>>>>Phaneuf. Phaneuf has no value and proved that when they tried to trade him away and there was no takers. And Turris is a pending UFA I’ll take carter over him anyday UFA or not.

22.) 21 Oct 2017
21 Oct 2017 15:22:54
I assume I'm the guy you mean who claims to be unbiased but over values toffoli and Duchene and never once have I talked about toffoli or his value, nor am I a fan of Colorado or LA. I am as confused by that almost as much as every one of your posts. Carry on.

23.) 21 Oct 2017
21 Oct 2017 15:30:06
LOL. I'm with Lindss on this one.

And yes, you're insanely delusional Senskill. It's not even funny.

24.) 21 Oct 2017
21 Oct 2017 15:36:10
I've also never bad mouthed turris, Hoffman, certainly not Karlsson. I also watch quite a few senators games, 5-6 a year vs the leafs (was 8 till a cpl years ago) and a few others from time to time if I see it on. I was a guy that defended phaneuf against haters for years when he was a leaf and still like him as a player and as a guy, just makes too much money, which isn't his fault at all. Blame leafs management for giving it to him, and sens management for taking it on.

You are so defensive that you will make up what other people say to make them seem like the bad guy when in reality, as the comments from everyone that isn't you on this thread shows, you're out to lunch on player evaluations. I would like you to find where I bad mouthed any senator player.

Leafs traded phaneuf for a 2nd round pick, a C level prospect and 3 cap dumps to the sens. And you said you could move his 4 years at 7 mill straight up for James Neal. let's figure out who overvalues his own teams assets while diminishing others. Once James Neal arrives in Ottawa you will say he's a former 40 goal scorer on a good contract and 'flip' him for doughty. But kings wil have to add a small incentive because doughty has an extra year at more money, right?

25.) 21 Oct 2017
21 Oct 2017 15:36:30
"This is why I place top 10 in any hockey pools I join"
LMAO! Nomination for quote of the year right there.

Cold hard facts? Your players values are coming off your OPINIONS. Dude. And you're WAY off its crazy.
You embarrass yourself bro. They ARE bad. Very very very bad! Constantly BAD! Lol!

26.) 21 Oct 2017
21 Oct 2017 15:42:28
Just read too that you said browns bad contract brings down the value of toffoli and doughty in the package coming to the sens. but then when you flip him to Colorado, his 'leadership and experience' is all of a sudden an asset LOL come on man. The contract gets better and his attributes go up in the 15 minutes he's a senator? Of course they do.

27.) 22 Oct 2017
22 Oct 2017 18:47:33
Chlapic and dzingle the lowest value in the trade? Lmfao clearly you're the delusional one if you actually believe that topshelfslapper lol

Dzingles rookie season sees him land top 6 minutes in a number of games and 32 points in 80 games as well as being regarded as one of the fastest players in the league while chlapic is an easy B+/ A- prospect at this point and proved he can hang in this year's preseason.

28.) 23 Oct 2017
23 Oct 2017 17:24:01
Oh and besides that, how often, in real life not video games, do you see a trade involving a superstar or 2 going one way and the same number of superstars with equal value going back?

The answer is maybe like 15% of the time. The other 85% of the time it's the best offer to come along because

1 - a player demands a trade because they don't want to play there anymore (like in Duchene case)

2 - a player wants to be traded because they want to win and feel their team is not capable of doing so and would rather be somewhere that can (as stated by doughty earlier this year)

3 - team is looking to rebuild using draft picks and rookies

4 - to make room for a huge free agent signing

5 - to move up in a draft

6 - to dump salary

Etc etc etc

Point is majority of the trades that actually happen are usually trades that involve a super star on one side but not necessarily on the other which is why you have no choice at times but look look at the values of top picks and prospects to or impact a player has on a team or role they play.

For instance they way you make deals I could see you accepting a deal if I offered you Matt Duchene for the guarenteed 1st overall pick in the current years draft but any smart gm would laugh in my face at that offer and tell me to add more if i wanted to be considered as that pick is more valuable down the road.