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04 Dec 2018 20:16:14
Montreal: lindgren + cale fleury
Florida: Matheson.

04 Dec 2018 22:44:23
I don't know if this actually could get it done but I think montreal has spoken with florida about a trade. i also think matheson would be one of the players montreal would want. I wonder if we took back luongo would we be able to pry a good draft pick or prospect from them. Cap is going up and we have lots of room.

05 Dec 2018 00:29:38
I'd take that from mtl Matheson is not only a good defensemen but he's fron Quebec.

05 Dec 2018 02:36:28
Vancouver is to hope Luongo sits on LTIR ifnhebcant pkay. Similar to the Weber thing with Nashville, Canucks get screwed with cap recapture. If he retires a year early Canucks lose over $8 mill off their cap that year. Could hurt because by then their kids will be making money.

05 Dec 2018 03:44:09
Yes jim that was one of the reasons I wouldn't mind taking him on. he might just retire before that deal is up then we would possibly have the chance to fleece the canucks lol I could also see a possible situation where a team might put him on waivers in the last year or two of his deal and vancouver would feel forced to claim him.

05 Dec 2018 05:50:10
I really feel like I’m missing something here. I mean, Lindgren is fairly highly rated goalie prospect, sure, but Florida already has Montembleaut, who is ranked just as highly. And Fleury is major downgrade from Matheson, who is signed for 8 years at less than $5M per.

I just feel like this is an underwhelming offer for a top 4 defenseman signed long term like Matheson. Florida doesn’t even get a roster player back to help replace Matheson, no picks at all, and the prospects are lukewarm at best. I am missing something aren’t I? Cause otherwise I’m just not seeing the value there for Florida to even consider this trade.

05 Dec 2018 17:20:45
Lindgren has a real good contract so the salary and cap hit the panthers are saving makes the trade closer but like I said I don't know if it would be enough. Taking back luongo and getting another add from florida might help balance things out. Habs farm team still sucks and lindgren stats are not really wowing anyone at the moment because of this so probably florida may not even be interested at all. i'm pretty sure montreal talked with florida this summer about a deal involving pacioretty for matheson + so maybe something happens between the two clubs just not sure it would be anything close to this deal but ya never know.

05 Dec 2018 20:31:25
Fleury is not luckwarm. He has the potential to be a Roman Josi type defensemen.

05 Dec 2018 20:56:28
No he doesn't lol.

06 Dec 2018 15:34:13
If that is true, don't trade him.

29 Nov 2018 23:14:40
Ottawa desperately needs a solid shut down guy on Blueline with experience to calm the kids down a bit but still young enough to fit the rebuild.

Florida is struggling, Columbus going to have some problems when panarin leaves so.

CBJ : Seth Jones

Ott : white, chlapic, Ceci, and the 1st rounder from Karlsson trade that they are guaranteed

Or

FLA : Aaron ekblad

Ott : white, Bernard-docker, Ceci, and the 1st from Karlsson trade

Both offers see a top 2 defence downgraded to a top 4 defence in order to add youth and offence of two solid prospects as well as a 1st rounder that is not lottery protected. Also note that both rookies in ekblad deal were also 1st rounders and both considered high end prospects in both deals.


Either of those 2 guys are old enough to bring leadership and experience while young enough to fit the rebuild.

Chabot and ekblad or Jones would also be a step up from the Karlsson Methot tandem that brought them success for years.

30 Nov 2018 01:03:32
Your kidding? Jones is 100% going nowhere. and. neither is Ekblad.

30 Nov 2018 03:30:54
That jones one is laughable. Jones will sign a jersey and send it to Dorian fornthsy package if he wants, but that’s about it. So brutal for CBJ lol.

30 Nov 2018 07:23:05
See what I mean?

Ones on a struggling team the other on a team that is guaranteed to lose its top player yet somehow a package involving a guaranteed 1st round non lottery protected pick, not one but 2 high end prospects (one of which currently in Calder race), and a top 4 defenseman isn't close to enough?

But yet offers a thousand times worst you guys post to get sens players like Duchene are somehow fair value?

You need your heads checked seriously, any other team makes a similar offer you'd be jumping for joy agreeing with it especially if it was Ottawa moving one of those too.

Disagree? I got proof, his name is Erik Karlsson.

30 Nov 2018 11:34:18
Nah, your proof is that Ottawa is an incompotent s***show that doesn't know what EK is worth. We all kmew EK was going to go below market value and get the return he did because Ottawas so damn incomptent and would trade him for pennies oj the dollar. that's why wed laugh when you proposed Point+Serg+1st+Radysh+whatever, Ottawa had no leverage, they sure as hell weren’t getting that.

Jones is one of the best dmen in the league, and basically its White and a last first for him. Jones is on a solid contract that isn't expiring, why would columbus even consider this.

Same with the Ekblad one. Maybe Ekblad makes more, but its still not enough for Ek imo.

30 Nov 2018 12:24:44
There's a massive difference between a 28 war old - one more year to UFA - rumoured to wanting a massive pay day D man to a young 20s solid D man under a great contract for many years to come. I'd rather Seth Jones all day over EK right now, and it's a no brainer. Why would CLB want a package of prospects and picks for one of the best young D in the game? They wouldn't.
That package get you laughed at and you know it. You're always so insanely biased to the Sens bud.

30 Nov 2018 14:52:30
If you want Jones on Ottawa it starts with Chabot and Tkachuk.

30 Nov 2018 16:43:03
Yupp and VB are both right on this one and on the same page. Something weird is happening 😟 😟.

30 Nov 2018 19:08:13
First off vbb not a chance either of those guys would get both Chabot and tkechuck in the real world.

2nd off the point of getting them is to help Chabot tkechuck stone and Duchene make a faster rebuild so they wouldn't be involved anyway.

30 Nov 2018 19:24:21
As for yupp, the package involved a top 4 defence replacement, 2 high end prospects one who is currently fighting in the Calder race, and again a "non protected" 1st round pick whether it be this year's or next year's due to stipulation, either way it's the better pick of the 2.

Either a top half part of the league pick this year if Sharks miss playoffs or if they get in it becomes next year's pick, again go look at the trade yourself if you're skeptical.

If it does become next year's that's even better because EK has yet to sign with Sharks, Thornton likely will retire or if he doesn't will be too old to make any kind of difference as he's already slowing down, and they already moved Demers demelo and teirney, 3 of their more reliable defensive players.

Add that to what will be a frustrated Evander Kane which never turns out well, and an aging Vlasic.

I mean call me crazy, burns is good but even he can't carry that load himself.

In other words the trade is essentially a top 4 defence, 2 high end prospects, and an expected high end pick possible lottery, which is more than enough for 1 elite defence with no other assets.

Chlapic in Jones deal is to help make up scoring that panarin will leave a hole for as chlapic a goal scorer, where as Florida don't share that issue and would likely prefer docker to help boost future defence, either way both are respected high end prospects, something Ottawa clearly has an abundance of with formenton Gustafson and Brown Among others still waiting to crack the lineup.

30 Nov 2018 23:51:30
So what you just said was “bringing jones in is to help stone Duchene tkachuk and Chabot” so you expect a team to give you their best player without you giving up one of your best 4-5 players/ prospects? Lol who do you think keikalainan is? Pierre Dorian? (Reference Karlsson Trade) . Come on.

01 Dec 2018 04:08:39
What exactly do you think white is? Or the San Jose non protected 1st?

And chlapic ain't exactly a slouch by any means, he's an NHL ready future top 6 forward.

This just shows how you undervalue and underestimate sens players.

White especially might not be tkechuck but he's still extremely valuable in his own right.

And the Ceci might not be what those 2 guys are but he can still fill a top 4 role.

A similar offer from a different team and I'd guarantee you be in full support mode praising the offer.

White already top 6 quality, chlapic will get there, Ceci already top 4 and docker will get there, add the San Jose pick the value is there and you know it.

01 Dec 2018 05:36:57
Well you only have docker in the Ekblad proposal and I never said that one wouldn’t work. Jones is better than Ekblad, less injury problems and locked up long term for over $2 mill less than him. The difference in the 2 players value is not only chlapik instead of docker lol.

01 Dec 2018 15:09:12
nobiasrambo, you lost all credibility when you said white is extremely valuable.

in the real nhl, you don't get riches for rags, unless you're the gm of edmonton, ottawa, who give away riches for rags constantly.

01 Dec 2018 18:42:41
Ovies hero if you don't think white is extremely valuable you should stop watching hockey all together because you clearly don't know what your talking about.

Last season whites value was on par with Chabot during Duchene talks and while Chabot value increased dramatically whites stayed pretty darn close with him.

White is currently tied with tkechuck for 2nd place among all rookies this season so far, tkechuck did it even with weeks off with an injury but it's not like white was any less impressive how he got there considering he hasn't been on 1 line long yet and keeps bouncing between all of the top 3 lines.

So to be where he is, absolutely that's extremely impressive and anyone who says otherswise better clead the dirt out of your head.

01 Dec 2018 18:53:30
Unbiased Jim ok ok I personally think ekblad better that Jones not by much but everybody has their oppinion so I can respect yours on that matter.

But it seems like you're putting a major gap in value between chlapic and Bernard docker? Chlapic value is Fairly close to what dockers is with the age advantage slightly in dockers favour. They are also very different types of players with docker being the in your face shut down defence man, and chlapic being the skilled goal scorer.

The reason I put chlapic in the Columbus deal instead of docker is because of the impending loss of panarin. Chlapic has the ability to grow into that type of role and be a sort of poor man's panarin. On top of that, Columbus still has werenski among others on blue line so up front help needed more where Florida is the opposite, adding white gives them more than enough front end depth but docker helps their Blueline grow better.

03 Dec 2018 12:54:23
If Columbus loses their best players, they will need the young guys to build around in Jones and Werenski. I think those guys are pretty much untouchable right now. I'm not saying that your proposal is majorly biased or anything, i just think that your opinion of those assets is incorrect.
I'll give you points for not mentioning Nylander though.

05 Dec 2018 19:03:31
Thunder turkey that's just it though, panarin already stated he won't play in cumbus next year and been saying how much he wants to go back to Chicago so because of that they likely won't get much for him other than a weak rental price as Chicago not likely to be in playoffs and won't need to go for him this year as they can just wait till free agency and poach him then for nothing.

That leaves a massive hole offensively that will need to be filled.

Columbus has a loaded defence core in savard, werenski, Jones, and Murray.

Downgrading 1 of those guys (obviously Jones would be the guy Ottawa would want at a price like this) to ceci who is still top 4 quality and would be protected better in Columbus in order to add 2 solid offensive prospects in white and chlapic plus add what has potential to be a lottery pick this or next year would be a good trade off for Columbus no matter what and if it gives them a solid crack at Hughes or Lafreniere then it becomes a win for them as well.

And even if they win either lottery with that pick it's still a trade loss Ottawa can live with as it gets the experienced shut down guy who can also score and completely compliment chabot on sens top pairing. Basically a win for both sides.

24 Nov 2018 17:04:41
Leafs panthers deal

Leafs- Matthews, Gardiner
Florida- Barkov and Ekblad

Leafs get a top end two way center who I think is a more consistent as far as staying healthy and a defenceman struggling to live up to his potential who could use a change in scenery. Leafs get cap stability and 2 very good players. Florida is having another disappointing season and need to change something up so they trade for a elite/franchise centerman who if he can stay healthy is a game changer and they get a offensive dman who over the last few seasons has put up good numbers and they can afford to resign them both.

Matthews>Barkov
Ekblad>gardiner

Maybe some 2 or 3 round picks to be added but is it close as far as value?

24 Nov 2018 22:33:36
The difference between Mattews and Barkov is smaller then the difference between Eklbad and Gardiner. Plus Ekblad himself s not that far off in terms of value to Eklbad. Then putting Barkov on top and only getting a mediocre UFA is a joke. And for those reasons Florida is out.

24 Nov 2018 22:39:02
I think Florida adds a piece like Hubberdeau.

24 Nov 2018 22:59:58
Matthews has more value than Barkov, though in my opinion not by much, however Ekblad to me is leagues above Gardiner so for me the Leafs would have to add something else of substantial value.

24 Nov 2018 23:24:38
Barkov and Matthews aren’t very far off. Matthews could be like Malkin while Barkov like Bergeron. You probably take Malkin over Bergeron yes, but that difference isn’t warranting a huge downgrade of Ekblad to Gardiner.

No from Cats.

25 Nov 2018 01:24:01
Numbers suggest Gardiner is better atleast offensively then Eklblad.

25 Nov 2018 03:14:33
Vbb bruh come on.

25 Nov 2018 03:28:33
Matthews is better than barkov, Ekblad better all round than Gardiner and being RHD makes him far more valuable to leafs. However barkovs contract eats up a ton of the difference between him and Matthews. We can all assume Matthews will be $11 mill range and I believe barkov is around $6 mill (just under i think) long term. That’s a huge advantage. I say no because I don’t want to trade Matthews, not because the value isn’t there. Barkov and Ekblad combined will make in the $13 mill range. That’s huge value.

11 Nov 2018 22:13:30
It looks as though a Nylander trade will be going down shortly so I thought the Florida Panthers really need a change. The leafs need a significant change on defense so I think this can work

TML - Nylander, Gardiner, 1st 2019
FLR - Ekblad

Ekblad really does need a change of scenery he is having a tough year with only two assists and the Panthers have been terrible. I think this trade helps both teams.

11 Nov 2018 23:18:12
Too much from the leafs.

12 Nov 2018 01:59:19
Too much from Toronto.

12 Nov 2018 08:29:09
Good package. Florida and Toronto would accept that i feel

12 Nov 2018 14:30:42
Make the first a second and it’s a deal.

12 Nov 2018 14:54:04
I feel like Eklblad came in with so much hype that people still think he’ll have this huge breakout season and become a superstar. I don’t see it but if I’m the leafs and I get this offer I’m accepting it. He’s the exact mold of Dman the leafs need. I feel like Florida does really not want to Trade him so it would have to be one of those “ send me an offer so ridiculous that I can’t say no to “ scenarios. Is this an overpayment for Eklblad? I’m really not sure.

12 Nov 2018 14:54:48
I don't see why this would be no from toronto, I'd think no from florida. think florida values ekblad a lot, top fleet d-man. if they were to trade him think they'd want more than that.

12 Nov 2018 15:54:31
This is interesting. however I feel Florida has many good forward pieces already, and losing Ekblad would take a step back from what they are trying to build, they would lack on the D.
Also. that may be a lot to offer from Toronto.

12 Nov 2018 16:51:47
I can't see the Panthers doing this deal. Why trade Ekblad who is locked up for 7 seasons for Nylander, who is holding out and Gardner who will be a UFA at the end of the season?

12 Nov 2018 17:57:19
@islandjet. I think we all assume any trade for Nylander is signed to a contract unless they stay ‘unsigned’. No one is trading for him without a contract in place. And you can say he wants too much, and I agree, but I’d the trade goes through, it means the team acquiring him is comfortable with the salary they give him.

12 Nov 2018 21:26:05
Unbiased Jim Why wouldn't the Leafs keep Nylander if they sign him to a contract? If the contract is that crazy why would any team give up a star player like Ekblad for him when they could just make him an offer sheet and give up draft picks instead?

13 Nov 2018 02:58:57
I’m not saying leafs sign him and then try to trade him. I mean Nylander and his agent have permission to discuss contracts with teams interested in him, like has already been reported. It happens all the time in these situations. Habs had a contract ready to sign as soon as the trade for Drouin went through. They weren’t trading Sergachev just for the rights to talk to Drouin lol they knew they were trading him for a talented forward with a 5 year extension. Same with when leafs traded the 1st rounders for RFA Kessel in a contract stalemate, Burke already had the 5 year/ $27mill contract worked out with him.

13 Nov 2018 03:00:35
And if a team wants to offer sheet Nylander at what he's asking, be my guest lol leafs would get 4 first round picks which, even late 1st’s from a contender, is far more than we would ever get for him in a trade.

13 Nov 2018 15:53:49
Ekblad has had a lot of concussions for such a young player. I would be cautious about trading for him. Would prefer someone with a cleaner bill of health.

13 Nov 2018 18:31:52
@LeafsGM, Nylander has 2 for sure, maybe 3 concussions before 21 also. I never like a guy with injury history either but as long as they’re managed properly and not rushed, both players are fine.

Nylander got one after we drafted him while he was playing in Sweden, leafs didn’t like the way the Swedish team was handling his injury and that’s when they paid to get him out of Sweden and to the Marlies for the first time. Then they sent him to the World juniors and he got crushed first or 2nd game and diagnosed with a concussion, missed the tourney. Not sure if there was a 3rd or not.

08 Nov 2018 18:03:15
Oilers are close. They need a pure goal scorer, but they can’t get one as long as Lucic’s contract is on the roster. Plus, they do need a Defenceman. It would be great to get a puck moving Defenceman, but this is too much for now and Bouchard and Bear or one of them is probably here next season.

Proposed trades:
Carolina or New Jersey: 3rd Round pick (Both teams have space)
Oilers: Lucic + 1 st Round pick (Not big hickey markets and Lucic would appreciate that)

Sens: Stone (UFA and won’t sign with them. Oilers will do this if signed before trade)
Oilers: Puljujärvi (a lot of potential and Sens are rebuilding. Also, they have gotten worse returns for Hoffman and Karlsson. Puljujarvi is a much better return)

Panthers: Petrovic (UFA and would sign with Oilers as he is from Edmonton)
Oilers: Benning + 3rd Round Pick

Line up:
RNH - McDavid- Ratty
Raider - Drai - Stone (two scoring lines now)
Caggiula - Strome - Chaison
Kairha - Brodziak - Kassian

Klefbom - Larson
Nurse - Petrovic
Gravel - Russell (Gravel replaced after Sekera is back. If in good form, Sekera will be a great boost to the defence)

08 Nov 2018 18:59:10
I think Ottawa will want more than just puli for Stone. Even without an extension, there will be a lineup of teams willing to pay a good prospect and maybe a bit more for stone as a rental at the deadline.

08 Nov 2018 19:24:14
I don't think they are that close

Having McDavid hides a lot of blemishes. especially in a small sample size.

08 Nov 2018 23:19:00
Unbiased Jim,
The Sens want a better return, it doesn’t they will.
Look at what the got for both Hoffman and Karlsson. Puljujarvi is a win for them compared to the other returns.

08 Nov 2018 23:20:42
Unsportsmanlike, I said they are closer. Never said they could win the cup.
McDavid does so much for the team. He has RNH.
The oilers need someone for Drai. When he was with Hall or McDavid, his production sky rocketed. That is why Stone will be an amazing addition.

09 Nov 2018 00:05:01
I’ve tried to think of good scoring wingers that wouldn’t cost a ton to acquire for oilers, Tyler Toffoli is rumoured to be available too, and I always try to work Lucic into a deal for cap relief. It’s 5 more years at $6mill! I was thinking it had been longer. I know he liked LA and they liked him, but they wouldn’t give the term. I believe they offered $7 mill but wouldn't go over 4 years at the time. So no way they take on 5 more years of him 2 years later. I Just think toffoli could be a decent fit but Lucic would have to go somewhere in another deal and he would get to say no to being buried somewhere crappy. Tough one.

09 Nov 2018 00:12:30
And Sens didn’t get good value for Karlsson, I agree. But he wasn’t with an extension, you’re saying this is with an extension for Stone. And as underwhelming as the Karlsson pkg was, I think oilers would take it for puli lol so he’s not a better return than they got for Karlsson.

Puli for Demelo, Tierney, Balcers, Norris (recent 1st), 1st rd pick, 2nd rd pick, 2nd rd pick (plus another conditional 1st that 99% they will not get so ignore this one)? If Chiarelli said no to that one, it confirms everything I already know about him lol.

09 Nov 2018 04:18:05
Stone would be a great addition for Edmonton but it might take more, not sure. Jim LA is looking for speed, whether they liked Lucic or not it just wouldn’t happen.

24 Nov 2018 16:59:38
You guys really need to share what ever you are smoking when you post this crap.

03 Nov 2018 04:05:18
Leafs trade Brown, Gardiner, 1st
Florida trades Dadonov, Pysyk

Leafs trade Nylander, Leivo
Dallas trades Dickinson, Lindell, Spezza, 1st

Marleau/ Matthews/ Kapanen
Hyman/ Tavares/ Marner
Dickinson/ Kadri/ Dadonov
Lindholm/ Spezza/ (Ennis)
*Gauthier

Reilly/ Pysyk
Lindell/ Zaitsev
Dermott/ Hainsey
(Sandin/ Liljegren)
(Rasanen)

03 Nov 2018 22:38:19
A big no from Florida.

30 Oct 2018 22:28:01
Oilers: Puljujarvi (for obvious reasons, the oilers do not trust him) + Kassian (requested a trade) + Benning (3 players around $5m)

Panthers: Petrovic (edm boy and would probably need a new start somewhere else and would look good with Nurse) + Bjugstad (RW oilers need) - ($6 m both players)

31 Oct 2018 01:07:23
Kassian didn't request a trade. Find the article today and read what he said. He doesn't want to leave.
I read this is just his agent talking to the GM and the GM allowing him to look into a trade. No one wants to be a scratch and the agent is just doing his job for his client. Maybe there's a better fit out there. I also read this happens all the time in the NHL we just don't hear about it. It's an agent doing his job.

31 Oct 2018 04:35:33
Third trade in a row involving Puljujarvi. Doesn’t this tell you all something? You’re all trying to dump him because he increasingly has the strong odor of a bust surrounding him.

Benning is decent and is about the same level as Petrovic, although they are both depth players and i'm not sure what the point of the RHD swap would be.

Puljujarvi and Kassian both stink and wouldn't land you Bjugstad.

Edmonton can’t afford even the $1M in extra salary right now either.

16 Oct 2018 21:35:39
Long shot, but something to post!
Oilers: Nurse + Puljujarvi + B prospect like Jones
Leafs: Nylander + Gardiner
Leafs get immediate help on defence and a good right winger with a ton of potential and a B prospect for defence.
Oilers get help for Draisaitl and a puck moving dman which they need desperately.

Now cap space is an issue for the oilers:
Oilers: 1st round pick 2020 + Lucic + Benning
Panthers: Petrovic + Screviour


Oilers line up:
RNH - McDavid- Ratty
Rieder - Drai - Nylander
Khaira - Strome - Screviour
Caggiula - Brodziak- Kassian
Chaison

Klefbom- Larsson
Gardiner- Petrovic
Russel - Bouchard
Bear.

16 Oct 2018 23:06:42
I’d do it as a leaf fan.

17 Oct 2018 00:00:50
I think Nurse/ Pulj+a 2nd may be better than throwing in Jones imo. Leafs take it if its Jones, idk if EDM would. Seeing that your an Oiler fan, if you want Nylander/ Gardiner, I think that's a fair swap, Nylander >> Pulj, but Nurse >> Gardiner.

As for the Petrovic deal, I think that's not bad, I just don't know if Florida does it. That 1st is a great asset, but idk if they'd have enough cap to accommodate Lucic with Barkov/ Hub/ Ekblad deals. But if they do, I think that's pretty good.

17 Oct 2018 02:25:48
Ya Caleb Jones has actually had a super good trianing camp, pre season and start to the AHL season, I don't se then adding him just yet to this deal.
I don't mind the deal, but would just rather Nurse Jan Gardiner just because of the uncertainty of Gardiners contract rumors being high high $ after this season. I'm kinda torn here. Like the idea, but unsure really.

17 Oct 2018 02:47:09
Gardener got 50 points last year, I don’t think nurse is better. Maybe age and defensively a little bit but James the better skater and clearly more offensively gifted. Leafs lose that trade, oilers add the second and jones and even then not sure.

17 Oct 2018 05:36:15
Nurse is actually a great skater. Definitely love the idea of getting better now instead of waiting and waiting for the future. I’d hate to lose Nurse but I’d love Nylander on Draisaitl’s wing. Oil won’t have the cap for this even with the Florida trade I'm guessing. It would be an easy no if I was more confident in Puljujarvi but I’m still leaning towards no personally. Good thought and I also think there’s better D out there for Nylander.

17 Oct 2018 12:13:19
Far fetched but interesting. Lucic waiving for panthers would definitely take some convincing. But I’m at least intrigued.

17 Oct 2018 15:48:10
I think Lucic might waive for the panthers. It’s a warm place with a decent team and he won’t get much attention there. He doesn’t want to play for a Canadian team.
Plus, Lucic is a decent player but his contract is a burden, and as long as he is being played on the 2nd line, the team will suffer. It’s worth sending a 1st rd pick that shouldn’t be top 15 or so.
For me, I think the GM screwed up and the coach is stubborn. They should be gone first.

13 Oct 2018 06:06:41
Leafs trade Nylander
Florida trades Huberdeau

A simple 1:1 hockey trade.

My main goal here is to dump Nylander on a bottom feeding team, so that he will never ever have a chance at winning the cup, ever. Screw him. Winning should mean everything to this young man, and apparently it means nothing.

Depending on what Nylander eventually signs for, we may have to take Petrovic back as a cap dump, which is acceptable to me.

13 Oct 2018 07:33:05
This is a very one-sided post, imo.
I also don't understand why every media narrative is "Nylander is holding out from the Leafs". Why isn't it "The Leafs are holding out from Nylander"?
Both sides are trying to do what's best for them. Leafs trying to get him at a cheap cap hit and Nylander trying to secure his and his children's future financial security. Nothing wrong on either side.
Hockey is a business, if players take big discounts to go/ stay somewhere, that's great on them. But if someone doesn't, doesn't mean he's not interested in winning. The players (in this case Nylander) earned their right to fight for their money. The CBA and NA sports system restricts players more than enough in their choice of team, so again: very one-sided and narrow-minded post, imo.

13 Oct 2018 10:56:17
Triplets, you would have a point if the Leafs were actually lowballing Nylander, but from what I have read, they are not. They are trying to get him signed in the $6 mln - $7mln range, which is exactly what he is worth, based on comparable players/ contracts (I really fail to see why he should be paid much more than Pastrnak at $6.67 mln a year who is by all measures the superior player) .

You get paid for what you have accomplished and the player/ ability you have shown yourself to be -- Nylander asking for $8mln is seemingly looking to be paid for the player he could turn out to be, and frankly, that's not how the NHL (or life in the real world in general) works.

13 Oct 2018 11:03:45
Also I'm getting sick of this "doing what's best for his and his children's financial security" narrative. What a load.

Even if the Leafs came in at the low-end and offered him 6 mln x 8 years, that's almost $50 mln in guaranteed money and in all likelihood that won't be the last contract he signs in his career. Plus there's additional income streams from endorsements (he can do a Head and Shoulders commercial with his pretty boy hair or something) . The guy will have more money than 99.999% of the global population ever sees, so let's end the pity party right here and stop worrying about his financial future.

13 Oct 2018 15:00:26
Nylander was born into a rich family. He is already richer than most people will ever be. He of all people doesn’t need the money. To even suggest he’s just trying to support his family is the biggest load of bull I’ve ever read on this site. Call me narrow minded all you want, I can just as easily do the same for you. How many kids in the NHL today had parents that were rich hockey stars? Not many. Most come from working class families whose parents had to work hard in order to pay for their children to succeed. Nylander is spoiled and greedy. Simple as that. Maybe if Nylander’s father was a factory worker or janitor I would have more sympathy for him. But knowing that the family is already wealthy beyond any reasonable measure just sickens me that he is trying to push salaries higher and become one of the top 25 paid players in the game today, which he clearly is not. Correct me if I am wrong, but when Crosby first signed his contract many years ago, did he not take a discount? The world’s best player at the time should have been te world’s highest paid player shouldn’t he? Yet Toews, Kane, and even his own teammate Malkin all ended up with larger contract. Those guys are all obviously elite players in their own right, but Crosby was the poster boy for the NHL and face of the Pittsburgh franchise. So why is he making less than they are?

I changed my mind about this trade. If Nylander goes anywhere, it should only be to a bottom feeding perreniel loser. He doesn’t deserve the right to go to another competitior. I like Foote, and will find another way to float a proposal for him that doesn’t include Greedy Needylander.

@unsportsmanlike

The Head and Shoulders and pretty boy hair comment was awesome. I nearly pissed myself at that one.

13 Oct 2018 16:27:20
@leafsgm it's going to be another tough year for you again next year then I guess. Nylander should have been the easiest of the big 3 to get signed.

13 Oct 2018 16:51:36
@habby

You would have thought that. But not really. Because he’s the first to sign, Nylander sets the tone. If Dubas caves to Nylander’s demands, he would have to cave on Matthews and Marner as well. If you are Matthews and Marner and setting career years this year, would you be willing to sit out next year for a couple extra bucks? I doubt it. If Matthews gets the Rocket Richard Trophy and maybe some other hardware, he’s probably not going to risk losing all that glory and isolate himself from the Toronto fan base next year because he thinks he’s worth more than Tavares, who may be named the next captain instead of him.

13 Oct 2018 16:56:36
I guess in my rant about how greedy Nylander is, I didn’t realize this wasn’t the Tampa proposal I floated at the same time. Lol. I had it right the first time: Leafs should deal with Nylander the same way Sakic dealt with o’Reilly and dump him on the worst team in the league so he never has a shot at glory.

13 Oct 2018 20:02:31
The same people saying that 2 mill a year for 8 years doesn't matter are the same ones saying a couple hundred k in taxes is an insurmountable advantage for non-state tax teams. Nylander has a right to hold out. We don't actually know what either side is asking for just rumours. Leafs could just as easily change to match him as he could to match them. Like all contract holdouts media has picked a "loser" and here its Nylander. As for the Pasta comparison i don't think anyone would disagree that deal is a bargain and he's worth more. that's what makes it a tough comparable because everyone knows that contract is light and he'd get more in a renegotiation, that's what Nylander is trying to do. As a player agent you don't accept an undervalued contract as a comparable and if you aren't giving a discount and your contract is a steal you failed.

13 Oct 2018 23:01:29
We'll I'm going to spoil the party for you right now matthews is going to get paid more then tavares. Probably even more then mcdavid.

14 Oct 2018 00:11:03
@habby

I hope he doesn’t get that much. In my mock roster I only have him at $11-$12M. Anything more than that is going to screw up my projected roster. Lol.

14 Oct 2018 00:30:38
Okay, don't like the Pasta comparison?

How about Scheiffele? Posts better point totals. Actually plays center (more valuable than a winger) . Makes just over $6 I believe.

Or Ehlers? Posts very similar numbers to Nylander. Winger. Makes $6 even.

There are several others in that range. Certainly not a one-off that should not be used as fair bookends for what Nylander is worth. $8mln for a guy who is not a ppg player nor a strong two-way player and is a winger is out of touch with reality.

09 Aug 2018 04:37:47
Florida trades: Bjugstad, McCann, 1st round pick 2019

Ottawa trades: Stone, 3rd round pick 2019

What do you guys think about this one?

09 Aug 2018 05:35:22
Stone could fetch more

09 Aug 2018 17:42:04
Doubt stone could fetch more because he'll choose his team next summer, not a chance sens resign him and everyone knows it, so a one year rental unless traded to a team of his liking.

25 Jul 2018 11:39:32
3 TEAM TRADE

Edmonton -
• (D) Darnell Nurse
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick
• (C) Kailer Yamamoto
• (2019) 2nd-Round Pick
Ottawa -
• (D) Erik Karlsson
• (RW) Bobby Ryan
Toronto -
• (C) William Nylander
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick

BREAKDOWN
Oilers - Erik Karlsson + William Nylander + Bobby Ryan
Ottawa - Kailer Yamamoto + 1st-Round Pick + 1st-Round Pick
Toronto - Darnell Nurse + 2nd Round Pick


Ryan Nugent-Hopkins - Connor McDavid - William Nylander
Pontus Aberg - Leon Draisaitl - Jesse Puljujärvi
Milan Lucic - Drake Cagguila - Tobias Rieder
Zack Kassian - Ryan Strome - Bobby Ryan

Oscar Klefbom - Erik Karlsson
Kris Russell - Adam Larsson
Andrej Sekera - Matt Benning

Then edmonton can find a way to ship Lucic off to Arizona or Florida.

25 Jul 2018 12:43:52
Where's Brodziak, Jujhar, Ryan wouldn't be a 4th liner.

25 Jul 2018 12:58:09
Nylander ad a 1st for nurse and a 2nd? Leafs pass. The heee way just makes it look confusing but at the end of the day I see what leafs get va what leaves and it’s an easy no.

25 Jul 2018 13:29:53
Oilers fleece this imo. Even if they take on Ryan, Nylander >>>> Yamamoto and EK >>>> Nurse.

25 Jul 2018 13:50:42
Just looked again, oilers get Karlsson and Nylander lol the 2 best players in the deal for nurse, moto, 1st and 2nd lol. Ottawa does alright, not great, with moto and 2 firsts that SHOULD be late for Karlsson, and once you factor in ditching Ryan, it’s probably a good return. Oilers are laughing and leafs lose the second best player and a 1st for the 3rd best player and a second?!

25 Jul 2018 15:03:35
This is an absolute biased trainwreck of Rambo/ marcusjoe proportions.

25 Jul 2018 15:21:17
@TSS yeah lol. They upgrade winger from yamamoto (good potential) to Nylander (21 year old 65pt player) and nurse (good Dman) to Karlsson (arguably best Dman in the world with doughty and hedman) and total cost is like a 20th and 50th overall pick haha.

25 Jul 2018 16:33:21
Yah well if Nurse was Right handed it could have merit but the leafs wouldn’t be the ones adding.

25 Jul 2018 17:49:08
Oilers don’t have the cap for that hahaha and god damn do they come out on top for this.

26 Jul 2018 00:10:09
TOR and OTT get hosed.

28 Jul 2018 21:03:05
Not a chance. Ottawa not getting fleeced again let alone in a Karlsson deal.

17 Jul 2018 20:18:20
FLA: Trocheck
WPG: Little, Stanley, Perreault

17 Jul 2018 21:58:30
Easy no from Florida.

17 Jul 2018 22:44:44
Don't think so I can maybe see him as the captain of florida big no from Florida.

18 Jul 2018 00:42:28
Schifele for Bjustad, Heponeni and McCann?

18 Jul 2018 01:36:22
I can't see the Jets trading Stanley as he still is a year away and they would like to see him play some games in the NHL. Also I think that the Panthers wouldn't want to trade Trocheck as they have him signed to a great contract.

18 Jul 2018 14:01:56
I don't see why Florida does this.

13 Jul 2018 21:37:13
CBJ: Panarin, Milano

FLA: Trocheck, Bjugstad, 3rd round pick.

14 Jul 2018 00:59:48
Trochek is going no where and especially not for a pending UFA winger.

14 Jul 2018 02:58:26
Trochek worth more than 1 year of Panarin and Milano let alone the rest.

14 Jul 2018 18:17:25
Trochek is 25, our uo 75 pts, plays centre and is defensively responsible. Just finished 2nd year of 6 year contract at 4.75mill. Can’t replace that.

14 Jul 2018 19:31:09
Sorry I meant this trade as a sign-and-trade since Panarin apparently sees Florida as a desired destination.

08 Jul 2018 16:48:53
Montreal receive: Callahan, 2020 2nd
Tampa bay receive: 2019 6th

Montreal receive: Beauvillier, Ho-Sang, 2nd 2019
Islanders receive: Pacioretty, Shaw (25% retained), 4th 2020

Montreal receive: 3rd 2019
Florida receive: Callahan (50% retained)

Domi Danualt Gallagher
Drouin Beauvillier Hudon
Lehkonen Peca Scherbak
Byron Plek Ho-Sang.

09 Jul 2018 03:24:13
Decent trade buds.

08 Jul 2018 00:02:56
Trade suggestion including 3 teams your thoughts? To:FLAMES. James Reimer 3.4 mil x 3rys. 30yrs old Nick Bjugstad 4.1 mil x 3yrs. 25yrs old To:Panthers Zuccarellio 4.5 mil x 1yr 30yrs old. Sam Bennett 1.95 mil 22yrs olds. Prospect Oliver Kylington. Rangers 1st 2019. To:Rangers Troy Brouwer 4.5 mil x 2yrs 32yrs old. Michael Frolik 4.3 mil x 2yrs 30yrs old. Keith Yandle 6.35 mil x 5yrs 31 yrs old. Flames 2nd&3rd picks 2020.

08 Jul 2018 21:03:17
So
Flames get - James Reimer, Nick Bjugstad
Panthers get - Mats Zucarello, Sam Bennett, Rangers 1st
Rangers get - Troy Brouwer, Michael Frolik, Keith Yandle, flames 2nd and 3rd

Rangers are rebuilding, flames get fleeced, florida rips off both teams lol. Dumb, flames are good down the middle and at goal aswell.

08 Jul 2018 23:45:53
Flames won't trade their 2nd and 3rd this year after they collosally botched the hamonic trade.

09 Jul 2018 02:54:09
Thanks for clearing that up billy.

09 Jul 2018 20:35:03
Flames have to pay to dump brouwer and in this scenario we free up cap space. Any sugestions to make this a bit better?

04 Jul 2018 19:30:28
Pacioretty (contract extended)

For

Matheson
Heponiemi
Conditional 2nd (if Florida makes playoffs it becomes a 1st)


Shaw (25% retained)
Ikonen
3rd 2019

For

Tierney

Leave kotkatniemi in Finland for another year and tank

Domi Danualt Gallagher
Drouin Tierney Hudon
Lehkonen Peca Schebak
Byron Plek Armia

Matheson Weber
Mete Petry
Alzner Julssen

Price Niemi.

05 Jul 2018 00:14:44
I pretty sure that Florida want to keep Matheson he just sign a long term with them.

06 Jul 2018 11:01:27
Would you say values alright or who adds to either trade?

07 Jul 2018 17:40:05
Yes trade value is there, the way that Matheson play last year with Panthers, can't see Florida trading him but except for that I like the teade.

30 Jun 2018 03:59:50
To Florida: Max Pacioretty


To Mtl: Heponiemi Aleksi and a 1st round pick (2019)

MTL gets a Alex Debrincat type of player (a very talented center) and a draft pick. Florida gets a 30-40 goal scorer.

OR

To San Jose : Max Pacioretty

To MTL: Jayden Halbgewatchs and a 1st round pick (2019)


San Jose got an excellent player for the playoff and MTL get a very good prospect. Jayden have 70 GOALS LAST SEASON IN WHL.

30 Jun 2018 05:35:56
That aleski guy is listed at 141 pounds on whl website at 19 and a half years old, he's got to pack on 25 pounds to even be debrincat size And he's tiny, doubt he ever plays nhl unless he gets in the gym hardcore.

30 Jun 2018 21:27:22
Aleksi Heponiemi has a lot of scoring talent, but sadly, he is just too skinny for the NHL.
5'10 and 147lbs on hockeydb. He just won't survive.

28 Jun 2018 20:47:03
Florida : 1 round pick 2019, Petrovic, bjustad
Hepolinski


Montreal :pacierotty.

28 Jun 2018 21:28:00
Whaaa? Huge no from Florida.

28 Jun 2018 22:28:20
Lol what

28 Jun 2018 23:42:36
Who the hell is hepolinski.

29 Jun 2018 04:20:20
Well Montreal takes this and runs. but. it isn't going to happen.

29 Jun 2018 05:06:26
I was curious who hepolinski was too, but at the end of the day it doesn’t matter lol they’re getting a capable Dman, and good 2 way centreman and a first rounder for a year of patches, Hepolinski could be a 4th grader with one leg!

29 Jun 2018 10:44:07
I think he means heponiemi, 2nd rounder from 17 draft. Pretty good prospect.

29 Jun 2018 14:47:57
It, s Bad for Florida RN but if there is an agreed upon contract between Patch and Florida before the trade it could work well for both teams.

29 Jun 2018 19:21:53
How about florida keeps bjustad and petrovic and we take the other 2 pieces.

28 Jun 2018 00:39:00
(G) Garrett Sparks + (LW) Matt Martin to the New York Islanders in exchange for (D) Mitchell Vande Sompell + Conditional 2019 3rd Round Draft Pick.

Condition: If Sparks plays 40+ Games for the Islanders, the pick is awarded. If Sparks plays 30+ Games for the Islanders, a 5th is awarded. If neither is met, no pick is awarded.

(RW) Josh Leivo + 2020 2nd Round Draft Pick to the Florida Panthers in exchange for (D) Mark Pysyk.

(D) Jake Gardiner (Extension: 5.0 Million x 5 Years) + (C) Miro Aaltonen (Rights) + (D) Andrew Nielsen to the San Jose Sharks in exchange for (D) Justin Braun.

(I’d love to keep Jake too, but we can’t just keep him and let him walk. We could offer him that extension but we just can’t afford to be paying him and Rielly similar dollars for similar play styles, and with Timothy and Dermott coming up, it doesn’t make practical sense)

This is unlikely. but the speculation continues so. in free agency/ resigning:

John Tavares - 10.5 Million x 7 Years.
Anthony Duclair - 1.25 Million x 2 Years.
William Nylander - 6.00 Million x 8 Years.
Andreas Johnsson - 2.00 Million x 4 Years.
Mitch Marner - 7.25 Million x 8 Years.
Auston Matthews - 10.5 Million x 8 Years.


Lineup (2018/ 19, most expensive year)

Anthony Duclair (1.25 Million) - Auston Matthews (10.5 Million) - William Nylander (6.0 Million)
Patrick Marleau (6.25 Million) - John Tavares (10.5 Million) - Mitch Marner (7.25 Million)
Andreas Johnsson (2.0 Million) - Nazem Kadri (4.5 Million) - Kasperi Kapanen (875K)
Zach Hyman (2.25 Million) - Par Lindholm (1.0 Million) - Connor Brown (2.1 Million)

Justin Braun (3.8 Million) - Morgan Rielly (5.0 Million)
Mark Pysyk (2.2 Million) - Travis Dermott (875K)
Nikita Zaitsev (4.5 Million) - Igor Ozhiganov (2.0 Million [Extension])

Frederik Andersen (5.0 Million)
Calvin Pickard (1.0 Million)

Total: 78.85 Million (Fits)

Then, the year after, Marleau/ Duclair/ Braun will be let go or traded, and Grundstrom/ Engvall/ Brooks/ Bracco/ Liljegren will take their place, and will save nearly 7.5 Million in cap. The year prior, Matthews and Marner will still be ELC so we’ll be good there too.

28 Jun 2018 04:59:15
Am I missing something or is Nylander seriously not as good as Marner and next closeish to Matthews in terms of being one of the top players? Nowadays if somebody makes 1.5-2m more than another guy who thinks they are similar that could cause some issues I’d think for contracts. Just my opinion tho I’d think there’s egos. As I think Nylander is right up there with Marner for sure.

28 Jun 2018 05:51:00
Nylander isn’t on the same planet as Marner. Marner is a Franchise player a team can build around and Nylander is a great complimentary player. Marner is closer to Mathews.

28 Jun 2018 13:41:58
Marner and WIlly had similar point totals, but Marner has emerged as a driver of his line and a driver of play, Willy is almost constantly in the shadow of AM. Both are good, but Marner is more of a catalyst of play, and seems to have a slightly higher upside than Willy.

28 Jun 2018 14:12:10
Marner a "franchise player"? I get you think he's amazing and all but that term doesn't apply here. Call him a star winger or something but franchise player? There's a bunch of better wingers in the league than him that I wouldn't even consider calling them franshise players.

28 Jun 2018 14:49:01
Franchise player is stretching it with marner so far, but if he plays like he did from January to game 7 vs Boston, he’s going to pass a lot of guys around the league for that title. He was dominant in almost every game down the stretch. And in the playoffs, out performed Matthews easily. Matthews is still the best player and most important guy on the team, but marners making a case for a huge check.

28 Jun 2018 14:57:10
Well he’s 20 so obviously veteran Prime players like Benn, Kane and Ovechkin are better but once he gets to that point he’ll be known as a “star winger” I already believe he’s at the Guadreau level. No winger in the NHL can drive a line like that for his age. He’s in the Same Catagory as Drais imo.

28 Jun 2018 15:38:31
Oh I always thought they were similar I didn’t know Marner took off that like in terms of value and play.

28 Jun 2018 15:39:31
Ok. I would say you can call him a star winger right now if you want. With Potential to be a superstar winger. But franchise winger tag on Marner right now is laughable.
Gaudreau is still better, right now.

28 Jun 2018 15:55:29
People forget that Marner had 2 goals in the first 34 games of this season. He scored 20 in the remaining 48 games after being put on a line with Marleau and Kadri in January. For the final 48 games and into the playoffs, Marner was by far the leafs most dangerous player and showed himself to be a big game player. He elevates the production of his line mates to another level. Ex, before playing with a Marner, Kadri was on a 21 game goalless drought. He still finished the season with 32 goals. That’s how good Marner is. Matthews is still another tier ahead of him, but at this point Marner has shown to be another level higher than Nylander, who is still very talented as well.

28 Jun 2018 15:57:53
Agreed there’s better wingers. Just saying I would leave the door open for him, i think he’s better than a lot of people assume. He’s had some ups and downs obviously as a young player. For me to call him more than a star, he has to play like he did lately a lot more consistently tho for sure.

28 Jun 2018 16:30:31
Saw an interesting tweet on that subject:

Points/ 60 since 2016/ 2017:

Marner 2.95
MacKinnon: 2.95
Kane: 2.93
Draisaitl: 2.91
Hall:2.90
Eichel: 2.85
Seguin: 2.79
Giroux: 2.78
Tarasenko: 2.76
Benn: 2.76
Tavares: 2.76

That's pretty elite company for a kid who just turned 21 and still has the build of a 15 year old. He's incredible already and has a ton of room to grow.

I don't think franchise player is too generous a term in his case.

28 Jun 2018 17:32:02
18 players, need at least 20. Can probably still just get under the cap and pray for no injuries.

28 Jun 2018 18:52:04
Love how everyone disagrees with Unsportsmanlike even tho he’s just stating facts. Just Rambo and a bunch of petty oilers fans sad that the oilers aren’t as good as the leafs.

28 Jun 2018 20:23:15
Maybe people disagree with his opinion he also mentioned with those stats?

Sad that the Oilees aren't as good as the Leafs? Yikes. Have you won a playoff series in recent years?
I'm not even going to scream who is better or not obviously we are biased as Fuk on that topic. But first Marner is a franchise player now screaming more homer biased out?
Entertaining as always.

28 Jun 2018 21:25:36
Seeing as how I'm a fan of neither team, I'd say I'm pretty impartial on that front. And that's cool, you can totally disagree that Marner is a franchise player. I was just pointing out that he has very comparable stats to a lot of guys who are considered franchise players, despite being considerably younger, so take it for what it's worth.

As for comparing Leafs vs. Oilers. yikes. Leafs have been a dumpster fire for so many years but it looks like they have finally righted the ship. Oilers have the best player in the world, but with Chia at the helm I really don't know. They have some ugly contracts (trading Lucic would go a long way in fixing that) which is critical in a cap world and for a team that had so many high draft picks they still don't have the depth the Leafs have (in my opinion) . And I'm still flabbergasted by the Hall trade.

Even with McDavid, I would much prefer to have the Leafs entire roster/ system right now instead of Edmonton's. True that the Leafs have not won a series in almost two decades, but I think they are on the cusp of what will be an incredible 10-12 years with maybe even a cup or two. Edmonton needs to fire Chia and get somebody in there ASAP who knows what they are doing to maximize McDavid's potential and get a better team around him.

28 Jun 2018 21:43:46
Well I can back up with what i say with facts and atleast the leafs made the playoffs. Oilers are pretty desperate without McDavid.

28 Jun 2018 23:58:44
Well put @unsportsmanlike. System top to bottom I don’t think it’s a stretch to say leafs. And it’s hard not to blame the guy at the top (chiarelli) for that. He seems to be Teflon tho, people are not nearly disgusted with him in that city. Like if dubas traded marner right now for a mediocre Dman, he wouldn’t be forgiven in a few months and have fans defending him lol should have thrown him out on his ass a long time ago, before you even knew the devils make the playoffs and oilers don’t and before Hall wins the Hart, he’d be gone.

26 Jun 2018 19:06:30
Toronto: Mark Pysyk, RHD, kills penalties and plays 18min/ night

Florida: 2nd, Martin (overpay to get rid of martin)

26 Jun 2018 19:21:48
I don’t think that’s enough for panthers to take Martin. They might want that pick or close to it for pysyk.

26 Jun 2018 20:16:13
No from panthers.

 
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