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16 Oct 2018 21:35:39
Long shot, but something to post!
Oilers: Nurse + Puljujarvi + B prospect like Jones
Leafs: Nylander + Gardiner
Leafs get immediate help on defence and a good right winger with a ton of potential and a B prospect for defence.
Oilers get help for Draisaitl and a puck moving dman which they need desperately.

Now cap space is an issue for the oilers:
Oilers: 1st round pick 2020 + Lucic + Benning
Panthers: Petrovic + Screviour


Oilers line up:
RNH - McDavid- Ratty
Rieder - Drai - Nylander
Khaira - Strome - Screviour
Caggiula - Brodziak- Kassian
Chaison

Klefbom- Larsson
Gardiner- Petrovic
Russel - Bouchard
Bear.

16 Oct 2018 23:06:42
I’d do it as a leaf fan.

17 Oct 2018 00:00:50
I think Nurse/ Pulj+a 2nd may be better than throwing in Jones imo. Leafs take it if its Jones, idk if EDM would. Seeing that your an Oiler fan, if you want Nylander/ Gardiner, I think that's a fair swap, Nylander >> Pulj, but Nurse >> Gardiner.

As for the Petrovic deal, I think that's not bad, I just don't know if Florida does it. That 1st is a great asset, but idk if they'd have enough cap to accommodate Lucic with Barkov/ Hub/ Ekblad deals. But if they do, I think that's pretty good.

17 Oct 2018 02:25:48
Ya Caleb Jones has actually had a super good trianing camp, pre season and start to the AHL season, I don't se then adding him just yet to this deal.
I don't mind the deal, but would just rather Nurse Jan Gardiner just because of the uncertainty of Gardiners contract rumors being high high $ after this season. I'm kinda torn here. Like the idea, but unsure really.

17 Oct 2018 02:47:09
Gardener got 50 points last year, I don’t think nurse is better. Maybe age and defensively a little bit but James the better skater and clearly more offensively gifted. Leafs lose that trade, oilers add the second and jones and even then not sure.

17 Oct 2018 05:36:15
Nurse is actually a great skater. Definitely love the idea of getting better now instead of waiting and waiting for the future. I’d hate to lose Nurse but I’d love Nylander on Draisaitl’s wing. Oil won’t have the cap for this even with the Florida trade I'm guessing. It would be an easy no if I was more confident in Puljujarvi but I’m still leaning towards no personally. Good thought and I also think there’s better D out there for Nylander.

17 Oct 2018 12:13:19
Far fetched but interesting. Lucic waiving for panthers would definitely take some convincing. But I’m at least intrigued.

17 Oct 2018 15:48:10
I think Lucic might waive for the panthers. It’s a warm place with a decent team and he won’t get much attention there. He doesn’t want to play for a Canadian team.
Plus, Lucic is a decent player but his contract is a burden, and as long as he is being played on the 2nd line, the team will suffer. It’s worth sending a 1st rd pick that shouldn’t be top 15 or so.
For me, I think the GM screwed up and the coach is stubborn. They should be gone first.

13 Oct 2018 06:06:41
Leafs trade Nylander
Florida trades Huberdeau

A simple 1:1 hockey trade.

My main goal here is to dump Nylander on a bottom feeding team, so that he will never ever have a chance at winning the cup, ever. Screw him. Winning should mean everything to this young man, and apparently it means nothing.

Depending on what Nylander eventually signs for, we may have to take Petrovic back as a cap dump, which is acceptable to me.

13 Oct 2018 07:33:05
This is a very one-sided post, imo.
I also don't understand why every media narrative is "Nylander is holding out from the Leafs". Why isn't it "The Leafs are holding out from Nylander"?
Both sides are trying to do what's best for them. Leafs trying to get him at a cheap cap hit and Nylander trying to secure his and his children's future financial security. Nothing wrong on either side.
Hockey is a business, if players take big discounts to go/ stay somewhere, that's great on them. But if someone doesn't, doesn't mean he's not interested in winning. The players (in this case Nylander) earned their right to fight for their money. The CBA and NA sports system restricts players more than enough in their choice of team, so again: very one-sided and narrow-minded post, imo.

13 Oct 2018 10:56:17
Triplets, you would have a point if the Leafs were actually lowballing Nylander, but from what I have read, they are not. They are trying to get him signed in the $6 mln - $7mln range, which is exactly what he is worth, based on comparable players/ contracts (I really fail to see why he should be paid much more than Pastrnak at $6.67 mln a year who is by all measures the superior player) .

You get paid for what you have accomplished and the player/ ability you have shown yourself to be -- Nylander asking for $8mln is seemingly looking to be paid for the player he could turn out to be, and frankly, that's not how the NHL (or life in the real world in general) works.

13 Oct 2018 11:03:45
Also I'm getting sick of this "doing what's best for his and his children's financial security" narrative. What a load.

Even if the Leafs came in at the low-end and offered him 6 mln x 8 years, that's almost $50 mln in guaranteed money and in all likelihood that won't be the last contract he signs in his career. Plus there's additional income streams from endorsements (he can do a Head and Shoulders commercial with his pretty boy hair or something) . The guy will have more money than 99.999% of the global population ever sees, so let's end the pity party right here and stop worrying about his financial future.

13 Oct 2018 15:00:26
Nylander was born into a rich family. He is already richer than most people will ever be. He of all people doesn’t need the money. To even suggest he’s just trying to support his family is the biggest load of bull I’ve ever read on this site. Call me narrow minded all you want, I can just as easily do the same for you. How many kids in the NHL today had parents that were rich hockey stars? Not many. Most come from working class families whose parents had to work hard in order to pay for their children to succeed. Nylander is spoiled and greedy. Simple as that. Maybe if Nylander’s father was a factory worker or janitor I would have more sympathy for him. But knowing that the family is already wealthy beyond any reasonable measure just sickens me that he is trying to push salaries higher and become one of the top 25 paid players in the game today, which he clearly is not. Correct me if I am wrong, but when Crosby first signed his contract many years ago, did he not take a discount? The world’s best player at the time should have been te world’s highest paid player shouldn’t he? Yet Toews, Kane, and even his own teammate Malkin all ended up with larger contract. Those guys are all obviously elite players in their own right, but Crosby was the poster boy for the NHL and face of the Pittsburgh franchise. So why is he making less than they are?

I changed my mind about this trade. If Nylander goes anywhere, it should only be to a bottom feeding perreniel loser. He doesn’t deserve the right to go to another competitior. I like Foote, and will find another way to float a proposal for him that doesn’t include Greedy Needylander.

@unsportsmanlike

The Head and Shoulders and pretty boy hair comment was awesome. I nearly pissed myself at that one.

13 Oct 2018 16:27:20
@leafsgm it's going to be another tough year for you again next year then I guess. Nylander should have been the easiest of the big 3 to get signed.

13 Oct 2018 16:51:36
@habby

You would have thought that. But not really. Because he’s the first to sign, Nylander sets the tone. If Dubas caves to Nylander’s demands, he would have to cave on Matthews and Marner as well. If you are Matthews and Marner and setting career years this year, would you be willing to sit out next year for a couple extra bucks? I doubt it. If Matthews gets the Rocket Richard Trophy and maybe some other hardware, he’s probably not going to risk losing all that glory and isolate himself from the Toronto fan base next year because he thinks he’s worth more than Tavares, who may be named the next captain instead of him.

13 Oct 2018 16:56:36
I guess in my rant about how greedy Nylander is, I didn’t realize this wasn’t the Tampa proposal I floated at the same time. Lol. I had it right the first time: Leafs should deal with Nylander the same way Sakic dealt with o’Reilly and dump him on the worst team in the league so he never has a shot at glory.

13 Oct 2018 20:02:31
The same people saying that 2 mill a year for 8 years doesn't matter are the same ones saying a couple hundred k in taxes is an insurmountable advantage for non-state tax teams. Nylander has a right to hold out. We don't actually know what either side is asking for just rumours. Leafs could just as easily change to match him as he could to match them. Like all contract holdouts media has picked a "loser" and here its Nylander. As for the Pasta comparison i don't think anyone would disagree that deal is a bargain and he's worth more. that's what makes it a tough comparable because everyone knows that contract is light and he'd get more in a renegotiation, that's what Nylander is trying to do. As a player agent you don't accept an undervalued contract as a comparable and if you aren't giving a discount and your contract is a steal you failed.

13 Oct 2018 23:01:29
We'll I'm going to spoil the party for you right now matthews is going to get paid more then tavares. Probably even more then mcdavid.

14 Oct 2018 00:11:03
@habby

I hope he doesn’t get that much. In my mock roster I only have him at $11-$12M. Anything more than that is going to screw up my projected roster. Lol.

14 Oct 2018 00:30:38
Okay, don't like the Pasta comparison?

How about Scheiffele? Posts better point totals. Actually plays center (more valuable than a winger) . Makes just over $6 I believe.

Or Ehlers? Posts very similar numbers to Nylander. Winger. Makes $6 even.

There are several others in that range. Certainly not a one-off that should not be used as fair bookends for what Nylander is worth. $8mln for a guy who is not a ppg player nor a strong two-way player and is a winger is out of touch with reality.

09 Aug 2018 04:37:47
Florida trades: Bjugstad, McCann, 1st round pick 2019

Ottawa trades: Stone, 3rd round pick 2019

What do you guys think about this one?

09 Aug 2018 05:35:22
Stone could fetch more

09 Aug 2018 17:42:04
Doubt stone could fetch more because he'll choose his team next summer, not a chance sens resign him and everyone knows it, so a one year rental unless traded to a team of his liking.

25 Jul 2018 11:39:32
3 TEAM TRADE

Edmonton -
• (D) Darnell Nurse
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick
• (C) Kailer Yamamoto
• (2019) 2nd-Round Pick
Ottawa -
• (D) Erik Karlsson
• (RW) Bobby Ryan
Toronto -
• (C) William Nylander
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick

BREAKDOWN
Oilers - Erik Karlsson + William Nylander + Bobby Ryan
Ottawa - Kailer Yamamoto + 1st-Round Pick + 1st-Round Pick
Toronto - Darnell Nurse + 2nd Round Pick


Ryan Nugent-Hopkins - Connor McDavid - William Nylander
Pontus Aberg - Leon Draisaitl - Jesse Puljujärvi
Milan Lucic - Drake Cagguila - Tobias Rieder
Zack Kassian - Ryan Strome - Bobby Ryan

Oscar Klefbom - Erik Karlsson
Kris Russell - Adam Larsson
Andrej Sekera - Matt Benning

Then edmonton can find a way to ship Lucic off to Arizona or Florida.

25 Jul 2018 12:43:52
Where's Brodziak, Jujhar, Ryan wouldn't be a 4th liner.

25 Jul 2018 12:58:09
Nylander ad a 1st for nurse and a 2nd? Leafs pass. The heee way just makes it look confusing but at the end of the day I see what leafs get va what leaves and it’s an easy no.

25 Jul 2018 13:29:53
Oilers fleece this imo. Even if they take on Ryan, Nylander >>>> Yamamoto and EK >>>> Nurse.

25 Jul 2018 13:50:42
Just looked again, oilers get Karlsson and Nylander lol the 2 best players in the deal for nurse, moto, 1st and 2nd lol. Ottawa does alright, not great, with moto and 2 firsts that SHOULD be late for Karlsson, and once you factor in ditching Ryan, it’s probably a good return. Oilers are laughing and leafs lose the second best player and a 1st for the 3rd best player and a second?!

25 Jul 2018 15:03:35
This is an absolute biased trainwreck of Rambo/ marcusjoe proportions.

25 Jul 2018 15:21:17
@TSS yeah lol. They upgrade winger from yamamoto (good potential) to Nylander (21 year old 65pt player) and nurse (good Dman) to Karlsson (arguably best Dman in the world with doughty and hedman) and total cost is like a 20th and 50th overall pick haha.

25 Jul 2018 16:33:21
Yah well if Nurse was Right handed it could have merit but the leafs wouldn’t be the ones adding.

25 Jul 2018 17:49:08
Oilers don’t have the cap for that hahaha and god damn do they come out on top for this.

26 Jul 2018 00:10:09
TOR and OTT get hosed.

28 Jul 2018 21:03:05
Not a chance. Ottawa not getting fleeced again let alone in a Karlsson deal.

17 Jul 2018 20:18:20
FLA: Trocheck
WPG: Little, Stanley, Perreault

17 Jul 2018 21:58:30
Easy no from Florida.

17 Jul 2018 22:44:44
Don't think so I can maybe see him as the captain of florida big no from Florida.

18 Jul 2018 00:42:28
Schifele for Bjustad, Heponeni and McCann?

18 Jul 2018 01:36:22
I can't see the Jets trading Stanley as he still is a year away and they would like to see him play some games in the NHL. Also I think that the Panthers wouldn't want to trade Trocheck as they have him signed to a great contract.

18 Jul 2018 14:01:56
I don't see why Florida does this.

13 Jul 2018 21:37:13
CBJ: Panarin, Milano

FLA: Trocheck, Bjugstad, 3rd round pick.

14 Jul 2018 00:59:48
Trochek is going no where and especially not for a pending UFA winger.

14 Jul 2018 02:58:26
Trochek worth more than 1 year of Panarin and Milano let alone the rest.

14 Jul 2018 18:17:25
Trochek is 25, our uo 75 pts, plays centre and is defensively responsible. Just finished 2nd year of 6 year contract at 4.75mill. Can’t replace that.

14 Jul 2018 19:31:09
Sorry I meant this trade as a sign-and-trade since Panarin apparently sees Florida as a desired destination.

08 Jul 2018 16:48:53
Montreal receive: Callahan, 2020 2nd
Tampa bay receive: 2019 6th

Montreal receive: Beauvillier, Ho-Sang, 2nd 2019
Islanders receive: Pacioretty, Shaw (25% retained), 4th 2020

Montreal receive: 3rd 2019
Florida receive: Callahan (50% retained)

Domi Danualt Gallagher
Drouin Beauvillier Hudon
Lehkonen Peca Scherbak
Byron Plek Ho-Sang.

09 Jul 2018 03:24:13
Decent trade buds.

08 Jul 2018 00:02:56
Trade suggestion including 3 teams your thoughts? To:FLAMES. James Reimer 3.4 mil x 3rys. 30yrs old Nick Bjugstad 4.1 mil x 3yrs. 25yrs old To:Panthers Zuccarellio 4.5 mil x 1yr 30yrs old. Sam Bennett 1.95 mil 22yrs olds. Prospect Oliver Kylington. Rangers 1st 2019. To:Rangers Troy Brouwer 4.5 mil x 2yrs 32yrs old. Michael Frolik 4.3 mil x 2yrs 30yrs old. Keith Yandle 6.35 mil x 5yrs 31 yrs old. Flames 2nd&3rd picks 2020.

08 Jul 2018 21:03:17
So
Flames get - James Reimer, Nick Bjugstad
Panthers get - Mats Zucarello, Sam Bennett, Rangers 1st
Rangers get - Troy Brouwer, Michael Frolik, Keith Yandle, flames 2nd and 3rd

Rangers are rebuilding, flames get fleeced, florida rips off both teams lol. Dumb, flames are good down the middle and at goal aswell.

08 Jul 2018 23:45:53
Flames won't trade their 2nd and 3rd this year after they collosally botched the hamonic trade.

09 Jul 2018 02:54:09
Thanks for clearing that up billy.

09 Jul 2018 20:35:03
Flames have to pay to dump brouwer and in this scenario we free up cap space. Any sugestions to make this a bit better?

04 Jul 2018 19:30:28
Pacioretty (contract extended)

For

Matheson
Heponiemi
Conditional 2nd (if Florida makes playoffs it becomes a 1st)


Shaw (25% retained)
Ikonen
3rd 2019

For

Tierney

Leave kotkatniemi in Finland for another year and tank

Domi Danualt Gallagher
Drouin Tierney Hudon
Lehkonen Peca Schebak
Byron Plek Armia

Matheson Weber
Mete Petry
Alzner Julssen

Price Niemi.

05 Jul 2018 00:14:44
I pretty sure that Florida want to keep Matheson he just sign a long term with them.

06 Jul 2018 11:01:27
Would you say values alright or who adds to either trade?

07 Jul 2018 17:40:05
Yes trade value is there, the way that Matheson play last year with Panthers, can't see Florida trading him but except for that I like the teade.

30 Jun 2018 03:59:50
To Florida: Max Pacioretty


To Mtl: Heponiemi Aleksi and a 1st round pick (2019)

MTL gets a Alex Debrincat type of player (a very talented center) and a draft pick. Florida gets a 30-40 goal scorer.

OR

To San Jose : Max Pacioretty

To MTL: Jayden Halbgewatchs and a 1st round pick (2019)


San Jose got an excellent player for the playoff and MTL get a very good prospect. Jayden have 70 GOALS LAST SEASON IN WHL.

30 Jun 2018 05:35:56
That aleski guy is listed at 141 pounds on whl website at 19 and a half years old, he's got to pack on 25 pounds to even be debrincat size And he's tiny, doubt he ever plays nhl unless he gets in the gym hardcore.

30 Jun 2018 21:27:22
Aleksi Heponiemi has a lot of scoring talent, but sadly, he is just too skinny for the NHL.
5'10 and 147lbs on hockeydb. He just won't survive.

28 Jun 2018 20:47:03
Florida : 1 round pick 2019, Petrovic, bjustad
Hepolinski


Montreal :pacierotty.

28 Jun 2018 21:28:00
Whaaa? Huge no from Florida.

28 Jun 2018 22:28:20
Lol what

28 Jun 2018 23:42:36
Who the hell is hepolinski.

29 Jun 2018 04:20:20
Well Montreal takes this and runs. but. it isn't going to happen.

29 Jun 2018 05:06:26
I was curious who hepolinski was too, but at the end of the day it doesn’t matter lol they’re getting a capable Dman, and good 2 way centreman and a first rounder for a year of patches, Hepolinski could be a 4th grader with one leg!

29 Jun 2018 10:44:07
I think he means heponiemi, 2nd rounder from 17 draft. Pretty good prospect.

29 Jun 2018 14:47:57
It, s Bad for Florida RN but if there is an agreed upon contract between Patch and Florida before the trade it could work well for both teams.

29 Jun 2018 19:21:53
How about florida keeps bjustad and petrovic and we take the other 2 pieces.

28 Jun 2018 00:39:00
(G) Garrett Sparks + (LW) Matt Martin to the New York Islanders in exchange for (D) Mitchell Vande Sompell + Conditional 2019 3rd Round Draft Pick.

Condition: If Sparks plays 40+ Games for the Islanders, the pick is awarded. If Sparks plays 30+ Games for the Islanders, a 5th is awarded. If neither is met, no pick is awarded.

(RW) Josh Leivo + 2020 2nd Round Draft Pick to the Florida Panthers in exchange for (D) Mark Pysyk.

(D) Jake Gardiner (Extension: 5.0 Million x 5 Years) + (C) Miro Aaltonen (Rights) + (D) Andrew Nielsen to the San Jose Sharks in exchange for (D) Justin Braun.

(I’d love to keep Jake too, but we can’t just keep him and let him walk. We could offer him that extension but we just can’t afford to be paying him and Rielly similar dollars for similar play styles, and with Timothy and Dermott coming up, it doesn’t make practical sense)

This is unlikely. but the speculation continues so. in free agency/ resigning:

John Tavares - 10.5 Million x 7 Years.
Anthony Duclair - 1.25 Million x 2 Years.
William Nylander - 6.00 Million x 8 Years.
Andreas Johnsson - 2.00 Million x 4 Years.
Mitch Marner - 7.25 Million x 8 Years.
Auston Matthews - 10.5 Million x 8 Years.


Lineup (2018/ 19, most expensive year)

Anthony Duclair (1.25 Million) - Auston Matthews (10.5 Million) - William Nylander (6.0 Million)
Patrick Marleau (6.25 Million) - John Tavares (10.5 Million) - Mitch Marner (7.25 Million)
Andreas Johnsson (2.0 Million) - Nazem Kadri (4.5 Million) - Kasperi Kapanen (875K)
Zach Hyman (2.25 Million) - Par Lindholm (1.0 Million) - Connor Brown (2.1 Million)

Justin Braun (3.8 Million) - Morgan Rielly (5.0 Million)
Mark Pysyk (2.2 Million) - Travis Dermott (875K)
Nikita Zaitsev (4.5 Million) - Igor Ozhiganov (2.0 Million [Extension])

Frederik Andersen (5.0 Million)
Calvin Pickard (1.0 Million)

Total: 78.85 Million (Fits)

Then, the year after, Marleau/ Duclair/ Braun will be let go or traded, and Grundstrom/ Engvall/ Brooks/ Bracco/ Liljegren will take their place, and will save nearly 7.5 Million in cap. The year prior, Matthews and Marner will still be ELC so we’ll be good there too.

28 Jun 2018 04:59:15
Am I missing something or is Nylander seriously not as good as Marner and next closeish to Matthews in terms of being one of the top players? Nowadays if somebody makes 1.5-2m more than another guy who thinks they are similar that could cause some issues I’d think for contracts. Just my opinion tho I’d think there’s egos. As I think Nylander is right up there with Marner for sure.

28 Jun 2018 05:51:00
Nylander isn’t on the same planet as Marner. Marner is a Franchise player a team can build around and Nylander is a great complimentary player. Marner is closer to Mathews.

28 Jun 2018 13:41:58
Marner and WIlly had similar point totals, but Marner has emerged as a driver of his line and a driver of play, Willy is almost constantly in the shadow of AM. Both are good, but Marner is more of a catalyst of play, and seems to have a slightly higher upside than Willy.

28 Jun 2018 14:12:10
Marner a "franchise player"? I get you think he's amazing and all but that term doesn't apply here. Call him a star winger or something but franchise player? There's a bunch of better wingers in the league than him that I wouldn't even consider calling them franshise players.

28 Jun 2018 14:49:01
Franchise player is stretching it with marner so far, but if he plays like he did from January to game 7 vs Boston, he’s going to pass a lot of guys around the league for that title. He was dominant in almost every game down the stretch. And in the playoffs, out performed Matthews easily. Matthews is still the best player and most important guy on the team, but marners making a case for a huge check.

28 Jun 2018 14:57:10
Well he’s 20 so obviously veteran Prime players like Benn, Kane and Ovechkin are better but once he gets to that point he’ll be known as a “star winger” I already believe he’s at the Guadreau level. No winger in the NHL can drive a line like that for his age. He’s in the Same Catagory as Drais imo.

28 Jun 2018 15:38:31
Oh I always thought they were similar I didn’t know Marner took off that like in terms of value and play.

28 Jun 2018 15:39:31
Ok. I would say you can call him a star winger right now if you want. With Potential to be a superstar winger. But franchise winger tag on Marner right now is laughable.
Gaudreau is still better, right now.

28 Jun 2018 15:55:29
People forget that Marner had 2 goals in the first 34 games of this season. He scored 20 in the remaining 48 games after being put on a line with Marleau and Kadri in January. For the final 48 games and into the playoffs, Marner was by far the leafs most dangerous player and showed himself to be a big game player. He elevates the production of his line mates to another level. Ex, before playing with a Marner, Kadri was on a 21 game goalless drought. He still finished the season with 32 goals. That’s how good Marner is. Matthews is still another tier ahead of him, but at this point Marner has shown to be another level higher than Nylander, who is still very talented as well.

28 Jun 2018 15:57:53
Agreed there’s better wingers. Just saying I would leave the door open for him, i think he’s better than a lot of people assume. He’s had some ups and downs obviously as a young player. For me to call him more than a star, he has to play like he did lately a lot more consistently tho for sure.

28 Jun 2018 16:30:31
Saw an interesting tweet on that subject:

Points/ 60 since 2016/ 2017:

Marner 2.95
MacKinnon: 2.95
Kane: 2.93
Draisaitl: 2.91
Hall:2.90
Eichel: 2.85
Seguin: 2.79
Giroux: 2.78
Tarasenko: 2.76
Benn: 2.76
Tavares: 2.76

That's pretty elite company for a kid who just turned 21 and still has the build of a 15 year old. He's incredible already and has a ton of room to grow.

I don't think franchise player is too generous a term in his case.

28 Jun 2018 17:32:02
18 players, need at least 20. Can probably still just get under the cap and pray for no injuries.

28 Jun 2018 18:52:04
Love how everyone disagrees with Unsportsmanlike even tho he’s just stating facts. Just Rambo and a bunch of petty oilers fans sad that the oilers aren’t as good as the leafs.

28 Jun 2018 20:23:15
Maybe people disagree with his opinion he also mentioned with those stats?

Sad that the Oilees aren't as good as the Leafs? Yikes. Have you won a playoff series in recent years?
I'm not even going to scream who is better or not obviously we are biased as Fuk on that topic. But first Marner is a franchise player now screaming more homer biased out?
Entertaining as always.

28 Jun 2018 21:25:36
Seeing as how I'm a fan of neither team, I'd say I'm pretty impartial on that front. And that's cool, you can totally disagree that Marner is a franchise player. I was just pointing out that he has very comparable stats to a lot of guys who are considered franchise players, despite being considerably younger, so take it for what it's worth.

As for comparing Leafs vs. Oilers. yikes. Leafs have been a dumpster fire for so many years but it looks like they have finally righted the ship. Oilers have the best player in the world, but with Chia at the helm I really don't know. They have some ugly contracts (trading Lucic would go a long way in fixing that) which is critical in a cap world and for a team that had so many high draft picks they still don't have the depth the Leafs have (in my opinion) . And I'm still flabbergasted by the Hall trade.

Even with McDavid, I would much prefer to have the Leafs entire roster/ system right now instead of Edmonton's. True that the Leafs have not won a series in almost two decades, but I think they are on the cusp of what will be an incredible 10-12 years with maybe even a cup or two. Edmonton needs to fire Chia and get somebody in there ASAP who knows what they are doing to maximize McDavid's potential and get a better team around him.

28 Jun 2018 21:43:46
Well I can back up with what i say with facts and atleast the leafs made the playoffs. Oilers are pretty desperate without McDavid.

28 Jun 2018 23:58:44
Well put @unsportsmanlike. System top to bottom I don’t think it’s a stretch to say leafs. And it’s hard not to blame the guy at the top (chiarelli) for that. He seems to be Teflon tho, people are not nearly disgusted with him in that city. Like if dubas traded marner right now for a mediocre Dman, he wouldn’t be forgiven in a few months and have fans defending him lol should have thrown him out on his ass a long time ago, before you even knew the devils make the playoffs and oilers don’t and before Hall wins the Hart, he’d be gone.

26 Jun 2018 19:06:30
Toronto: Mark Pysyk, RHD, kills penalties and plays 18min/ night

Florida: 2nd, Martin (overpay to get rid of martin)

26 Jun 2018 19:21:48
I don’t think that’s enough for panthers to take Martin. They might want that pick or close to it for pysyk.

26 Jun 2018 20:16:13
No from panthers.

21 Jun 2018 03:21:36
To Van
Gabriel Vilardi + 2nd round pick 2018

To LA
Bronson Sutter + Olli Juolevi
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To Van
Florida 2nd round 2018 pick

To Florida
Ben Hutton
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To Van
MTL 2nd round pick 2018

To MTL
Anders Nilsson
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To Van
Milan Lucic + 3rd round pick 2018

To Oilers
Loui Eriksson
-----------------------------------
To Van
Rasmus Ristolainen

To Buffalo
Sven Bartschi + LA 2nd round pick + Oilers 3rd round pick

21 Jun 2018 06:05:04
No thanks, EDM keeps lucic ain't taking on loui's contract

21 Jun 2018 06:05:33
Baertschi, 2nd, 3rd for Ristolainen oh boy you're going to get fried for this one

21 Jun 2018 07:19:17
These are all so bad lol yikes.

21 Jun 2018 13:12:57
How can u value Eriksson higher than lucic?

Lucic is younger, had a bad year and still scored 10 more points than Eriksson?

21 Jun 2018 15:59:09
Yeah, as bad as the lucic contract is, he can still contribute physically and bring an element of intimidation and protection for his team if not offense. If loui Erikson isn’t scoring 25 goals, he could never come close to earning that contract.

21 Jun 2018 16:02:23
@McJesus I’m not really sure how Hutton for a 2nd is “so bad “ but whatever.

The Risto trade made me puke.

21 Jun 2018 17:34:14
Hutton for a second is not good lol idk where you find your values at dude considering you think parayko has potential to be better than dahlin lol and you believe risto is a top 5 dman in the world 🙄 both are extremely good but bruh.

21 Jun 2018 19:14:32
Risto a top 5 dman? Top 5 dman on the Leafs maybe. Risto is a great number 2 on any team.

21 Jun 2018 19:17:10
Also if linden Vey is worth a 2nd Hutton definitely is nathen Beaulieau got a 3rd last year and that was thought to be a steal.

20 Jun 2018 02:56:20
senators acquire: boedker, bergman, 6th
san jose acquire: donaghey, 5th, 2nd, 4th, 5th
florida aqcuire: hoffman

who won the deal overall? thoughts? (i know it wasn't a 3 way deal, but that was the final result of the deal.

20 Jun 2018 03:17:06
Not Rambo.

20 Jun 2018 03:23:21
not sens -. -.

20 Jun 2018 03:25:25
SAN Jose. They are setting up to go afterTavares. Isles better get it done soon.

20 Jun 2018 03:53:37
Florida wins, San Jose 2nd, every other team that wasn't apart of the trade third, than Ottawa.

20 Jun 2018 04:42:13
I really am dying to hear what Rambo has to say. He was so sure we were all nut jobs and were way off on Hoffman’s value. Lol.

20 Jun 2018 04:56:58
Rambo commented on a rumour on the last page. Saying Duchene is worth more than the 3rd overall but is untouchable unless tavares is going to Ottawa lol because he would leave NYI to go to Ottawa, right? Haha so he’s still alive and online, just not responding to Hoffman items.

20 Jun 2018 07:32:11
i don't understand why people say unbelievable to confirmed trades.

20 Jun 2018 14:13:58
He's still around jim he's sneaking around very Rambo like. Soon when we least expect it he will strike and blow us all away lol.

20 Jun 2018 15:31:13
Lol yeah. I just like after he was guaranteeing hoffman was worth a top 10 pick+ (Way off! ) he is now telling us how much Duchene is worth like his evaluation is gospel. Hoffman got 20-30% of what he said he would, and we are supposed to think he’s right on anyone else’s value? Haha.

23 Jun 2018 18:59:34
Wilson and San Jose won. Got all those picks while ridding themselves of a $4M contract.
Florida won next.
Ottawa lost the deal.

19 Jun 2018 15:51:46
Sharks trade Hoffman to Panthers for
2018 4th rn
2018 5th rn
2019 2nd rn

Panthers also get Sharks 2018 7th rn

19 Jun 2018 19:41:24
Depressing.

19 Jun 2018 20:04:29
Such a smart move by SJS. all that cap they freed up gives them a chance to actively go after JT or maybe IK.
Amazing how much Hoffman's value plummeted - that GF just cost him a lot of money on his next contract.

19 Jun 2018 20:55:17
Yeah, that’s way less than I even thought. Still don’t know how guys thought it wouldn’t affect his value at all tho lol.

15 Jun 2018 00:05:28
Jared McCann + Alex Petrovic to the Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for Calle Rosen + Adam Brooks + 2019 2nd Round Draft Pick + 2018 3rd Round Draft Pick.

Florida has a lot of centres (Trocheck, Barkov, Bjugstad, etc. ) and a surplus of defencemen as well, and can afford to ship off both McCann and Petrovic; Petrovic of which is probably worth no more than a 3rd, and McCann worth a 2nd. They get a 2nd for McCann, and also pick up a 3rd, plus some 'meh' prospects for Petrovic, and these assets can be flipped for a scoring winger as needed. Toronto gets their new 3C, who Dubas knows well, and a stable RHD.

13 Jun 2018 21:23:10
Read in article:

Oil: Lucic

Florida: Petrovic + McGinn

Again apparently Floria is heavily interested (crazy) in lucic.

13 Jun 2018 23:00:27
If Florida does this, its one of the dumbest trades they could make.

If Lucic gets traded, it should be so that Edmonton gets him off their hands, not getting a dman whos decent and basically a replacement for him at half term/ half cost.

14 Jun 2018 03:36:28
I agree man but it’s what I read. And lucic is still a serviceable hockey player he has purpose, it’s just his context is atrocious. If he was making 4mil/ year I wouldn’t have the slightest problem with him staying on the oilers as a 2nd/ 3rd line LW.

14 Jun 2018 10:57:27
Edmonton adds.

14 Jun 2018 11:30:55
@MJC

Totally agree man, that's why i didn't go hard on ya for it. Idk, imo, i'd feel as though a straight across for a gjy like Abdelkader or sumtin is what Lucic would get. cap problem for cap problem ya know? And I agree, Lucic at 3.5 x 4 wouldn’t be bad. But 6 x 6 is a bit ugly considering what looks like a sharp decline on a slower player nonetheless.

14 Jun 2018 17:27:47
6x6 was always a terrible idea but at the time that’s what it took to sign him and to think Montreal (apparently) had more money on the table for him lol yikes.

13 Jun 2018 11:19:11
Van: Tanev and MDZ (50% retained)

Tor: 2019 1st round pick (lottery protected) liljegren and Ron Hainsey

Van: Edler (50% retained)

Caps: Orpik, 2019 1st round pick, 2020 2nd round pick

Van: Sutter

Flo: Heponiemi, 2018 2nd round pick

All fit under the cap and all help out each teams needs.

Toronto wants a top pairing rhd right now to compete right now and give up nothing from the active roster plus pick up a younger and cheaper player to replace hainsey.

Caps clear out cap space to resign Carlson but at the same time add a better lhd to replace Orpik who is also younger and maybe be able to resign him in 2019 when cap is higher, but the thing is they are now able to resign Carlson and their remaining rfas

Florida adds a need in center and get a guy that can bring great leadership and some experience while giving away a decent B prospect and a second round pick this year, Florida adds more depth and this could help get them that very little push to get in the playoffs.

13 Jun 2018 14:32:46
Bro right now Heponiemi is prolly better than Sutter lmao. no way overpaid sutter gets a highly touted prospect and a second! you ain't getting either for sutter lol.

13 Jun 2018 16:34:01
Sutter for Lucic is closer and Leafs would have zero interest in MDZ not giving the 2019 1st and Lilijgren for Tanev.

12 Jun 2018 14:57:18
Edmonton:
Karl Alzner D

Montreal:
Milan Lucic LW


Florida:
Max Pacioretty LW
Shea Weber D
Alex Galchenyuk LW

Montreal:
Jonathan Huberdeau LW
Nick Bjugstad C
Jamie McGinn LW
1st 2019


Philadelphia:
Carey Price G

MOntreal:
Shayne Gostisbehere D
Nolan Patrick C
Scott Laughton C

12 Jun 2018 15:15:04
I kinda like the first trade but still would rather have alzners contract than lucics.

Second trade i'd decline as a habs fan. To many big name moving pieces.

Third trade philidalphia laughs.

12 Jun 2018 16:18:29
3rd trade Montreal laughs. Top 4 dman, unproven rookie (of being capable of being that #1 center for Montreal yet) and a 3rd liner lol.

12 Jun 2018 17:25:53
Chillax. The last trade is a heck no from philly. Carey is turning 31 and has 10.5 mil contract. No team wants that, knowing that his prime is over and that he just had a terrible season with mtl

12 Jun 2018 17:44:10
Ghost played like a top pairing D last season, Nolan Patrick handled 2C very well, and Laughton is worthless lol unless Montreal retained salary Philly laughs.

12 Jun 2018 21:45:24
I hope McJesus is being sarcastic. Ghost was only a couple points shy of out producing the legendary Leon the god Draistle this season.

13 Jun 2018 01:39:46
Yeah mcjesus, I would hope philly says no there. But if a team should overpay for goaltending it’s probably Philly. The way price has looked, and I’m not writing him off completely, but it has to be concerning for a team acquiring him. That’s good youth going the other way and a huge contract coming back. I’d pass if I was philly lol.

 
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