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06 Aug 2019 15:02:40
Detroit Red Wings:

- Rasmus Ristolainen

Buffalo Sabres:

- Andreas Athanasiou (C/LW/RW)

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Both teams fill their needs.

Detroit fills a hole at RD. Mike Green is going to be a UFA next season and Rasmus is his replacement. Detroit currently had Hronek playing top pairing minutes at RD.

Buffalo sabres shed some cap and fill their depth at the forward position. Generally defencemen are worth more than forwards, but AA can play all three forward positions. He will take Okposo's spot on the top 6 at RW.

Detroit will look for Michael Rasmussen to step up and take AA's spot on the depth chart meanwhile the Sabres have the depth to plug Ristolainen's spot.

06 Aug 2019 16:23:25
Lol I posted the same thing and you went on about how Risto is an elite dman.

07 Aug 2019 00:36:08
Ristolainen is far from elite and is not worth a 30 goal scorer. Detroit says no.

07 Aug 2019 09:43:33
Totally fair

04 Aug 2019 23:47:10
Winnipeg: Laine and Kulikov
Detroit: Dekeyser, Zadina and a 1st (2020).

05 Aug 2019 01:01:57
Lol. Winnipeg says no thanks.

05 Aug 2019 01:36:14
I don’t know why Detroit does this. I’d rather Zadina and a first than Laine honestly.

05 Aug 2019 03:48:46
Thats a huge underpayment from detroit. Winnipeg laughs bro

05 Aug 2019 10:48:19
Here is my OPINION on this. Dekeyser = kulikov so that's a wash.
Zadina is one of the top winger prospects in the league, i've always been high on his potential.
detroit's 1st in 2020 is likely a lottery pick, and potentially a top 5.
Laine is a proven elite winger and one of the top point producers in the league and is still young.
Depending on what laine is demanding, if winnipeg is unable to afford to pay for him with the salary cap situation, i'd be willing to take the gamble with Zadina and the 1st.
Losing laine would be tough but i'd roll the dice with the deal due to salary cap.

05 Aug 2019 13:45:05
This is a poor offer for Laine.

05 Aug 2019 14:01:10
Really don’t think Detroit is in a position to trade their 1st there is a good chance they get a top 3 pick.

26 Jul 2019 20:45:57
I’m a Calgary fan we need to shed salary and Brodie seems to be the odd man out so why don’t we trade him to some team that the defence is weak my trades for tj brodie. Calgary trades :TJ Brodie To NYR for Vitali kravtov, rw. Or Ott for drake Batherson (rw) . Or Det for Joe Veleno ( c/ rw) . Or NYI for either Simon holmstrom or Oliver wahlstom. Or buff for victor olofsson and Rasmus asplund You could add pick in some trades if you like these are just young player I think you may get for Brodie Flames clear salary and get a young prospect back Please tell me your thoughts and if any of these deals make sense to you for the flames thanks.

26 Jul 2019 21:12:58
Do you know who Vitali Kravstov is/ what the Rangers cap situation is/ why do they need another dman/ are they contending. Rangers never answer a call from Treliving again. As for the rest, you are trading a #4 dman for top prospects that won't work at all. None of the trades work. Terrible value.

26 Jul 2019 23:42:51
Bf32 you're undervaluing brodie

27 Jul 2019 01:25:20
High 30 point dman, who is 2-way. Solid defensively. On an expiring deal @ 29 years old. Top prospects rarely get traded for rentals even if he were to come with an extension he is not worth any of the prospects listed. All of those guys are top 5 prospects to their respected clubs. You would more likely see Brodie traded for two 2nd's.

27 Jul 2019 02:20:55
Kravtsov is the 3rd best prospect rated ahead of Makar and Byram according by the most recent submitted list this guy has potential to be elite no way Rangers Trade him not even close.

27 Jul 2019 02:30:53
Just cause Brodie is 4th best on one of the deepest team defences in the league doesn't mean he's a 4th defenceman. Had 34 points and +29 last year. That's pretty good for a guy for 3.9 mil. Not saying he deserves a top de prospect but he has good value. And shown he can be a top line de.

27 Jul 2019 07:12:41
i'd do that trade from ottawa. it'd be hard to let go of batherson as he's a good prospect but you don't get a d-man like brodie every day.

27 Jul 2019 08:56:43
Shootsmcgee and Pkane88 are the only reasonable ones. Rangers say no but brodie does have decent value

27 Jul 2019 14:04:23
Sean Monyhands you can't seriously think Bodie has close value to Bodie. I’d say Kravtsov has more value then Tavares he has ridicules upside. It’d probably take Hanfin+ to get him.

27 Jul 2019 16:03:02
All I’m saying is a prospect is only prospect until he makes it brodie is a good 2 way defencemen and on these teams he could play on their 1 or 2 pairings easy.

27 Jul 2019 22:40:04
Is vbb drunk again? Bodie close value to bodie? Hanfin? More value than tavares? Ridicules. Either your auto correct on the fritz or you should sleep it off bud.

20 Jul 2019 12:25:42
[ Moves to create cap space. ]

#1
To CGY - Sixth Round Draft Pick
To OTT - Michael Stone & Fourth Round Draft Pick

Michael Stone's Salary ( 3.5M @ 1YR )

#2
To CGY - Third Round Draft Pick
To COL - Michael Frolik

Michael Frolik's Salary ( 4.3M @ 1YR )


[ Moves to improve team. ]

#1
To CGY - Andreas Athanasiou
To DET - Sam Bennett, Second Round Draft Pick & Oliver Kylington

#2
To CGY - Kristian Vesalainen & Sami Niku
To WPG - Mikael Backlund

#3
To CGY - Tyler Toffoli
To LAK - T.J Brodie



CGY Projected Lines 2019-20 :


Johnny Gaudreau - Sean Monahan - Elias Lindholm

Matthew Tkachuk - Andreas Athanasiou - Tyler Toffoli

Milan Lucic - Mark Jankowski - Kristian Vesalainen

Andrew Mangiapane - Derek Ryan - Austin Czarnik


Mark Giordano - Rasmus Andersson

Noah Hanifin - Travis Hamonic

Juuso Valimaki - Sami Niku

20 Jul 2019 12:43:42
hell no from winnipeg.

20 Jul 2019 12:48:01
Don’t think Detroit or Peg ( cap) takes that.

20 Jul 2019 15:33:51
The Jets wouldn't do this trade.

20 Jul 2019 19:05:42
Terrible for Winnipeg. No thanks.

18 Jul 2019 05:20:20
Marner
For
Nurse

More needed obviously. Just think Leafs need to shore up D and McDavid with marner would be cool to watch - as a hockey fan...not as a Wings fan.

18 Jul 2019 07:50:29
Oilers Fan here

And its a big no from Toronto, imi would say marner is the best player on Toronto.

It would be like trading drai for someone like trouba.

18 Jul 2019 11:26:56
Terrible trade for the leafs, Oilers need to add more (such as RNH, Puljujarvi, and a good prospect like Bouchard),

18 Jul 2019 12:24:53
The amount of pieces Edmonton would have to give up for Marner would not be worth while for oilers probably something like

Drais And Bouchard for Marner And Lilijgren.

18 Jul 2019 18:17:12
So two pieces for two pieces VB? Lol not going to happen.

18 Jul 2019 18:41:01
Drais isn’t a piece he’s a core player but who knows what’d he’d do without ever playing on a line with McDavid. 70 points?

18 Jul 2019 19:59:29
Doesnt draisaitl center his own line vbb? Plays with McDavid on pp's. Draisaitl is a better overall player than marner.

18 Jul 2019 21:51:44
No he was mostly LW on McDavids line and is with him on the top pp.

19 Jul 2019 01:36:45
Neither team can afford Marnerso not even worth debating the trade.

19 Jul 2019 01:56:41
Funny how Vb always craps on Draisaitl saying he wouldn’t be so good without McDavid when Marner jumped 30 points after getting put with Tavares. The bias is joke worthy.

Draisaitl is a guy who can easily hold down center all year, his contract is better than what Marner is going to sign for, and skill wise, I’d say he’s as good or better then Marner. In a Draisaitl for Marner swap the leafs add, not Edmonton.

19 Jul 2019 05:21:09
Tavares is garbage Marner jumped 30 points because of development. I’d easily do this deal for Tavares.

19 Jul 2019 09:21:13
Drais is better then marner.

19 Jul 2019 09:33:58
I think he’d be an 85 point guy without McDavid. 16 points in 13 PLAYOFF games running his own line the other year.

19 Jul 2019 10:05:20
Tavares is garabage? Are you for real VB? He's in the top 5 for best centers in the league and that's not even debatable.

19 Jul 2019 15:23:46
Ebsouletly he was an absolute beat in the playoffs I’ll give him that but Marner is a better player. Marner is better defensively although Drais is actually good in his own end and Marner is more dynamic. Difference is while Marner definitely has more talent Drais is bigger and plays Center.

13 Jul 2019 13:19:53
Are any of these good?

To CGY - Andreas Athanasiou
To DET - Oliver Kylington, Mark Jankowski, Second Round Draft Pick & Fifth Round Draft Pick

To CGY - Third Round Draft Pick
To MTL - Michael Frolik

To CGY - Nikolaj Ehlers
To WPG - Mikael Backlund

To CGY - Seventh Round Draft Pick
To OTT - James Neal, First Round Draft Pick & Glenn Gawdin

To CGY - Jesper Fast
To NYR - Austin Czarnik

To CGY - Alexander Wennberg
To CLB - T.J Brodie

To CGY - Matthew Nieto
To COL - Fourth Round Draft Pick



Johnny Gaudreau - Sean Monahan - Elias Lindholm

Nikolaj Ehlers - Andreas Athanasiou - Matthew Tkachuk

Sam Bennett - Alexander Wennberg - Jesper Fast

Andrew Mangiapane - Derek Ryan - Matthew Nieto


Mark Giordano - Rasmus Andersson

Noah Hanifin - Travis Hamonic

Juuso Valimaki - Rinat Valiev

13 Jul 2019 14:02:41
HUGE nod from Detroit, Winnipeg and Calgary on the Columbus deal.

13 Jul 2019 16:31:21
The Jets would not make that trade.

13 Jul 2019 16:55:58
I’d bet the jets would Islandjet. It’s safe to say you and biasjoe don’t really know what Chevy would do. I think Backlund doesn’t get enough credit on this site.

13 Jul 2019 17:40:30
Only extremely biased posters would think the Calgary-Jets trade is good for the Jets. No chance the Jets trade a 23 year old first line winger for a 30 year old 3C. Lol.

13 Jul 2019 22:20:39
I thought Backlund was younger. Chevy still might consider, lol.

14 Jul 2019 04:58:04
Backlund is a solid number 2 center, can kill penalties, win faceoffs, good backcheck. I think you underrate backlund a bit. I agree @Leafs17

09 Jul 2019 23:59:01
After the most recent trade of Nylander for Jokiharju the Sabres now have Ristolainen, Colin Miller, Jokiharju, Montour And Bogosion with Dahlin,Scandella and McCabe locked in on the left side.

Projected lines

Dahlin-Miller

Scandella-Montour

McCabe-Bogosion/Jokiharju

Trade-

Buffalo- Rasmus Ristolainen

Detroit- Andreas Athanasiou

Buffalo gets a highly skilled forward to help with their depth. Could either take the LW or Center spot.

Detroit- gets a physical PP specialist dman who has the ability to log big minutes. He is the same age as Athanaseau and brings a lot to their blue line.

10 Jul 2019 01:39:28
Sounds like a ristolainen trade coming up for sure now.

10 Jul 2019 03:04:59
I think Bogosian or McCabe go before Ristolainen

10 Jul 2019 03:05:12
Not bad value aswell

10 Jul 2019 03:27:14
Detroit says no. AA is a 30 goal scorer and is more valuable to Detroit than Risto would be.

10 Jul 2019 05:57:48
@HockeyFanatic
Risto > AA.
Defenceman almost always worth more than forwards. Especially a 24year old 6’4” 220lbs 40 point right shot defenceman that is also locked up for 3 years at a pretty good deal.
AA has value, but not Risto’s value.
Also, if this trade somehow does go through Risto will be the best defenceman on the Wings.

10 Jul 2019 06:06:57
@HockeyFanatic @Anybody that refers to Risto as “a huge defensive liability”
Risto isn’t great defensively, but please provide me the stats to prove that he’s “a huge defensive liability”. I’d love to hear that from you.
Just from a 5 second google I can see that he has 44 giveaways while also having 23 takeaways. Not bad for a guy who is according to you is a huge defensive liability.
Also, those are 44 giveaways in 78 games played. (.56 giveaways per game) .
He also has 121 blocked shots and 235 hits in 78 games. (1.5 blocked shots per fame and 3.3 hits a game. )
I’m not arguing that Risto is some stud of a defensive defenceman (because he definitely isn’t) but you don’t know what you’re talking about buddy.
Here’s a reference for you. Drew Doughty had 105 giveaways with only 23 take always. He also doesn’t have nearly as many hits as Risto and Risto has more blocked shots.

10 Jul 2019 11:13:05
Well, there you have it gents. Risto is better than Doughty.

Kind of makes you wonder why all the Buffalo fans are itching to trade him because he’s a defensive liability.

10 Jul 2019 12:27:14
TyBa4 come on it only takes a quick search to look at his advanced statistics and they’re along the lines of Cody Ceci and actually worse in some categories he obviously has value but he is not a top pairing guy on a playoff team. Number 3 at best. Also saying Risto being the best dman on the wings isn't an accomplishment Green is debatably just as good although regressing their Dcore is very young and largely unproven.

@Seanmoneyhands. Well Risto is apart of the losing culture in buffalo and his role as a top pp player takes away opportunities for Dahlin. Risto should go somewhere where he can play on the top PP and that is certainly not Buffalo with Dahlin. Once they traded for Montour his fate was sealed IMO. His time in Buffalo is nearing an end.

10 Jul 2019 13:08:49
Tyba4. As far as I’m concerned blocked shots and hits can show toughness but also a lack of defensive skill. The best way to not get scored on is to retrieve to puck and get it out of your zone, blocking a bunch of shots means you are giving up a bunch of shots, you’re just willing to get in the way every now and then. It’s the same argument against Russell. Same with hits, you’re only hitting if the other team has the puck. Effective Defense is about shot prevention, high danger chance prevention, and puck retrieval. You can block and hit and be a good Defencemen but if that’s what you’re pointing to to show someone isn’t bad, they’re probably bad.

10 Jul 2019 14:30:03
You really can't compare defensive stats and get a good reading on who's better then who. Every category you have high stats in such as hits and blocked shots can be considered good or bad. a low giveaway amount could just mean a player doesn't carry the puck much. It's tough to get a read on dman using any stats as most dman play against different competition as well. Risto numbers are based on him being on a bad team with him usually playing against other teams top lines. I'd like to see where he stacks up playing 2nd pair minutes or with a good defensive dman on his line.

10 Jul 2019 16:35:12
@unsportsmanlike
Oh my god, it’s like you completely decided to ignore when I said that Risto isn’t great or good defensively and just decided to spin your own thing.
the point I was trying to make is that Risto isn’t a huge defensive liability AS STATED IN THE FIRST 2 SENTENCES.
Never have I said he was better than Doughty defensively, all I asked for is some statistics to back up the “huge defensive liability” claim and provided counter stats of my own.
@jb32
As a 6’4 220 defenceman Risto does his job using his size to block shots and hit. “Blocking a bunch of shots means giving up a bunch of shots” well, yeah. Buffalo gives up a bunch of shots because it’s Buffalo. Russell and Risto aren’t in the same category because Risto can be classified as an offensive defenceman and Russell, well, is Russell. Since he’s an offensive defenceman that moves the puck up the ice, the number of turn overs is important as it demonstrates how well he can get a rush started and how good his passing accuracy is. When he has the puck, he doesn’t give it up a lot.
@Habby2
AGAIN, I’m not saying Risto is better than Doughty. What that reference is supposed to show you is how good Risto’s stats really are compared to a top 10 defenceman in the league. We all know that Doughty > Risto, it was just a reference to put perspective on Risto’s stats. As stated above.
“A low giveaway amount can mean the player doesn’t carry the puck as much”. See, that would apply to a defensive defenceman and not a 40-45 point offensive defenceman on a crappy team. If he scores 40+ points, he carries the puck. Risto is a PP QB for the Sabres.
Last statement I completely agree with, Risto is stuck on a bad team and constantly going against the best players for 22+ minutes a game. He’s on the PP and the PK at times.

10 Jul 2019 16:38:18
@VB
Can’t believe I have to clarify this for you, when I said Risto would be the best defenceman on the wings it was clearly a response to HockeyFanatic saying AA would be more valuable to the Wings than Risto will be. Which is just ridiculous.
I’d rather have a fringe top 2 defenceman than a 50
point forward.

10 Jul 2019 18:47:20
I was speaking in general terms tyba I wasn't really referring to what you said.

10 Jul 2019 19:13:48
His potential is higher then 50 points and let's not forget he scored 30 goals. Buffalo needs scoring depth more then they need Risto.

10 Jul 2019 19:32:18
@habby
Ah, my bad then.

10 Jul 2019 19:52:49
It’s the same with Risto as Russell when talking about their defensive acumen and pointing to blocked shots as evidence they aren’t really that bad. I wasn’t comparing them as overall players. Blocked shots inherently will be higher for guys that give up more, blocked shot % would be something more useful. The metrics aren’t where I want them to be but I can tell you that the only defencman with a worse shots for/ against ratio 5 on 5 on Buffalo was Scandella and Risto was on the ice over 100 more 5 on 5 shots against than any other D man on the team. I’m not sure it’s Because he’s on Buffalo, I’m not convinced that defensively he isn’t part of the problem.

10 Jul 2019 20:57:59
Ristolainen>Barrie.

10 Jul 2019 21:01:55
Buffalo's team corsi is 5% less with him on the ice. That should be a warning sign. Blocked shot is just a sign of the puck being in your own zone too much. Ristolainen possession stats are bad. he's been in a bad spot trying to be a #1 but 2nd line de he might be good.

10 Jul 2019 21:43:12
Anyone else not like advanced stats? This argument proves it all. He has bad advanced stats then when he gets traded and excels people will say he just got better. Nope he’s a good D being used above his skill. I’d take him on the Oilers 100% if he goes as cheap as this site thinks.

10 Jul 2019 21:59:23
Well Barrie out produces him on a yearly bases so I’m pretty sure that’s False.

10 Jul 2019 23:04:24
@ebs I'd take him on the habs too in a heartbeat all these advanced stats can tell you some important things about players a lot of times but for a defenceman they don't really show close to everything. Imo he's a good 2nd pair dman who was forced to be a number 1 dman on a crappy team. players who are in that situation rarely look good.

10 Jul 2019 23:42:31
We get it Mantha, all leaf players suck in your opinion.

09 Jul 2019 01:55:25
Detroit:Hronek

EDM:Puljujarvi,Bear,2rd2019

05 Jul 2019 11:15:05
Detroit: Chowlosoki,3rd 2019

Toronto:Nylander, Lilijegreen

05 Jul 2019 12:44:04
That's the same as trading Mantha and Hronka for Borgman and a 3rd Round Pick.
Would you make that trade @DetroitNantha?

05 Jul 2019 13:47:55
Except Nylander>>Mantha.

05 Jul 2019 18:38:05
Mantha>>>>>Nylander.

05 Jul 2019 19:59:33
Except Choloswki >>> Borgman.

05 Jul 2019 21:22:54
If you factor out the singular outlier ( you probably Don’t know what that phrase means )

Nylander 2017-2018 stats as a 22 year old 82GP 20G 41A

Mantha 2017-2018 stats as a 24 year old 80GP 24G 24A

Mantha is a RW where as Nylander has the ability to play C. Mantha broke out this year chances are Nylander breaks out next year.

06 Jul 2019 03:35:08
VB, if u factor in the fact that Nylander is overpaid by at least 1.5 million, plays with better center then Mantha does, and the only thing he brings to his team is offense, then Mantha is actually worth quite more. I personally am biased since i'm a Detroit fan but I also asked my buddy whos a massive Leafs fan and he said he'd be willing to add Lilijegreen to Nylander for Mantha.

02 Jul 2019 14:04:18
Calgary trades
Brodie
Frolik

Detroit trades
Abdelkater
2020 2nd round pick

Detroit maybe adds

Calgary gains 4+mill in cap space and gets a tougher player.

Tkachuk backlund abdelkater

02 Jul 2019 16:33:01
That’s a fat no from Calgary.

03 Jul 2019 01:23:15
Big no from flames. A top 4dman and a top 6 rw going to the wings and a bottom 6 rw, 2nd and 4mil going to calgary. Do the math

03 Jul 2019 03:57:14
I disagree. Frolik was a top 6 with backlund and Tkachuk. He struggled everywhere else. He also doesn’t have the grit that abdelkater has. I’d say abdelkater is better than frolik and would compliment Tkachuk style play (and put up similar numbers) . I might of undervalued Brodie a bit, but Calgary needs to free up cap space. I can’t see us off loading Neal’s contract. We have three critical signings in Tkachuk, Bennett, and Riddick. The 4+mill in cap space is much very needed. got to give to get! Also I did say Detroit could add.

03 Jul 2019 06:21:57
@colinc i clicked unbelievable but after re reading what you said. Its actually not that bad of an idea.

03 Jul 2019 10:03:13
Abdelkader sucks, he’s like negative value with his contract. It’s not enough to say Detroit adds because I think the add would have to be pretty significant.

05 Jul 2019 12:43:41
I’d do almost anything to get rid of Abdelkader, he’s garbage, let alone getting a top 4 defenseman back? I’m all about it as a wings fans.

26 Jun 2019 21:52:09
Detroit: 2rd pick2019

Min:Kaprizov

26 Jun 2019 22:48:35
Minnesota fans on HF boards wouldn’t trade Kaprizov for Jack Hughes. Kaprizov is the next Paniran definitely worth more then a 2nd also worth more to the wild then any other team.

26 Jun 2019 23:43:51
That seems a bit low for Kaprizov. I haven’t kept up on him much but o feel like he would be worth more than that:

27 Jun 2019 18:42:25
@vb you shouldn't mock Wild fans on hfboards. You're a leaf fan. That site won't trade Kapanen for anybody.

27 Jun 2019 19:22:00
I don’t think that’s true i see Kappanen in a lot of proposals.

23 Jun 2019 22:18:08
In my last post I showed how the leafs could potentially fit Marner in and improve their defence. But if the leafs decide to let Marner go this is what I'd like to see.

Obviously Marner is extremely valuable and is a top 5 U23 player in the game. 94 points as a 22 year old. Kucherov didn't come close to that at his 22 year old season there is no reason to believe by the time he's 25 he won't be as good as Kucherov I personally believe he'll be better and I'm sure I'm not the only one. It'll take a lot to pry him away.

Teams I'd match an offer sheet that have the cap space are- New Jersey, Florida, Montreal, Islanders And Colorado

Teams I'd take the compensation of 4 1st round picks from- Arizona, Columbus, Detroit and Ottawa

A trade I'd personally take

Toronto- Mitch Marner And Nikita Zaitsev

New York- Noah Dobson, Joshua Ho Sang, Ryan Pulock and 1st 2020

This trade drastically improves the leafs defence and cap situation while New York gets a star who will have multiple 100 point seasons.

24 Jun 2019 00:05:11
Vbbb, do you really like Ho Sang that much, that you would want him as part of a deal for Marner?

If the Islanders know you’re trading Marner because you can’t afford him, I doubt you’d get all 4 of those pieces. I think the max you would get is 2 of the 4. Considering the Islanders also have to pay Marner 11 million. You would also need to keep Zaitsev as I don’t think the Islanders would take on that contract knowing what they’ll have to pay Marner.

If you want to say the Islanders are dealing in good faith and just really want Marner, I think the max you would get is 3 of the 4 pieces. I just don’t see the Islanders giving up both Pullock and Dobson in the same deal and you would need to still keep Zaitsev.

24 Jun 2019 01:31:59
I'd say no from Isles.

24 Jun 2019 02:32:01
Of the team's you would let Marner sign an offersheet with, I don't think any of them will submit one because they will be lottery picks ( Columbus is the only one who might take that risk)

Also, Marner has to sign the offersheet to go to those teams. He may want nothing to do with Sens, Jackets, Coyotes or Wings.

In terms of that trade, I don't think Isles do it because Defense is still an area they need depth on.

24 Jun 2019 02:34:41
On a Red Wings note, we won't be sending an offer sheet for Marner.

I don't expect us to send an offer sheet at all.

However if we do, we will be targetting Trouba or Point. We need C and D more than a winger.

24 Jun 2019 02:44:56
I wouldn't trade Marner. Would trade Nylander/Matthews before Marner

24 Jun 2019 06:32:49
Alright, I'll sit here and wait for Marner to get 130+ pts by age 25. You're insane, VB. THe age 22 comparison is bs and several people already explained this to you on this website - if you'd listen, you'd know.

24 Jun 2019 13:03:49
Kucherov is amazing but he’s better imo I think he’ll be known as top 3 player in the game when he’s 25 I’m not sure why you don’t see that he’s more dynamic then Mathews it’s really not a controversial statement. Some debut to it I guess but it’s obtainable for him if he dosent score 130 by 3 years into the NHL I’ll apologize.

Also for me Dobson would be the sticking point for me in this trade I’d demand him. I think this trade makes the Islanders a better team.

Also Datsyuk_13 that’s the point if one of those teams are stupid enough to send an offer sheet I would not match.

24 Jun 2019 14:31:06
Marner is a star, no denying that. He also played a minute and a half a game more than Kucherov during their respective age 22 seasons, 5 extra shifts a game, and had a superstar on his line in Tavares while Kucherov had Johnson and Palat. Could Marner be better than Kucherov? Maybe but in my opinion its far from the guarantee you think it is. I don't know how realistic it is to expect someone to get more than the 1.56 ppg Kucherov did this year. They are on a very similar development path but i'm not sure Marner is going to see the same development here on out without really having any extra opportunity to move in to, he's already playing 20 min a game, with PP time and has a superstar center. Not saying he will plateu, but at the same age Kucherov still had room to improve in TOI, linemates, and PP time and took advantage of it.

24 Jun 2019 15:39:51
Also, looks like Kucherov could be 1.5-2M less in cap space which means a lot these days.

24 Jun 2019 15:41:21
Very good points made by jbs32.
Also I 100% agree on Marner being better than Matthews. That's why the AM contract is so bad for TOR. That's the contract Marner should've gotten, if anyone.
"You think he (Marner) will be known as a top 3 player by the age of 25?" Well guess what, Kucherov IS known as a top 3 player at age 25.
We'll see whether that will be the case with Marner, personally, I doubt it. Rather top 20, which is still elite, obv, no one is denying that.

24 Jun 2019 15:52:56
You can't compare marner to kuch they style of play is completely different.

24 Jun 2019 16:29:56
valid points not a lot can be argued aside from Natural growth and Maturity of Marner. Also Marner is also a better defensive player then Kucherov I don’t think I’ve seen Kucherov on the PK before where as Marner is the best PKer on the leafs aside from Hyman. Also the leafs PP this year was trash they have the Talent for a top 3 PP and if the PP were better he could’ve easily hit the 110 mark for points this Season 16 more PP points aren’t unrealistic imo.

Also not comparing their styles just overall impact in hockey Marner is more comparable to Patrick Kane.

24 Jun 2019 16:35:45
Gotta be honest you guys comparing Matthews and his contract to Marner are really doing a disservice to your perceived hockey IQ. Matthews at centre is far more difficult and a far more important position than a winger, and the pay should reflect that. You’re comparing apples to oranges. Might as well compare Marner’s upcoming contract to Freddy Andersen’s as it makes about as much sense.

20 Jun 2019 02:17:34
TBL 19/20

Trades:

DET gets: F Ryan Callahan, F Alexei Lipanov, 2020 3rd rd pick
TBL gets: 2021 5th rd pick

Yzerman likes Callahan, he's overpaid obv but can still be a good 4th liner and mentor for the young F on DET. Wings pick up a solid C prospect and a 3rd rd pick in the process.


PHI gets: F Tyler Johnson, 2020 3rd rd pick (DET)
TBL gets: 2019 1st rd pick

Fletcher is aggressively turning the Flyers around, acquiring a skilled F who is on a fair contract. TB needs a shake-up after last years disappointment, saves some $ and gets the chance to draft late in the lottery.

OR:

CAR gets: F Tyler Johnson
TBL gets: 2019 2nd rd pick (BUF), 2019 2nd rd pick (NYR)

OR

CAR gets: F Tyler Johnson, 2019 1st rd pick
TBL gets: D Dougie Hamilton, 2020 3rd rd pick (BUF)

CAR has long been rumored to be interested in skilled Fs. They get one in Johnson. Hamilton has been rumored to be on the move again as well. TB adds a 1st there. If Hamilton isn' in the deal, TB trades Johnson for 2 2nd rd picks to shake things up and move out some $.

OR

VAN gets: F Ondrej Palat
TB gets: 2019 2nd rd pick, 2020 3rd rd pick

VAN adds a 2nd line W with strong defensive play, which is sth they could desperately use. TB - same as above - loses some $ and shakes the team up while gaining a couple mid picks.


Signings:

C Brayden Point
- 3 years: 6.25M AAV OR
- 5 years: 8M AAV OR
- 7-8 years: 9M AAV

W Adam Erne
- 1 year: 1M

F Danick Martel
- 1 year: 750k

D Anton Stralman
- 1 year: 3M

RW Justin Williams
- 1 year: 3.5M

Lineup (assuming Callahan -> DET, Johnson -> CAR w/out Hamilton, Point -> 5 year deal)

Miller (5.25M) - Stamkos (8.5M) - Williams (3.5M)
Palat (5.3M) - Point (8M) - Kucherov (9.5M)
Killorn (4.45M) - Cirelli (0.73M) - Gourde (5.17M)
Erne (1M) - Stephens (0.83M) - Joseph (0.73M)
extra: Martel (0.75M)

Hedman (7.88M) - Sergachev (0.89M)
McDonagh (6.75M) - Cernak (0.7M)
Coburn (1.7M) - Stralman (3M)
extra: Rutta (1.3M)

Vasilevskiy (3.5M)
Domingue (1.15M)

F: 53.71M
D: 22.13M
G: 4.65M
Total: 80.49M
Projected Cap: 82M
Cap Space left: 1.51M

Leaves TB with enough room to make 2 call-ups during the season or a trade later in the year.


Constructive feedback welcome, thanks for reading.

20 Jun 2019 02:52:46
No from Philadelphia and Carolina the rest seem good.

20 Jun 2019 13:59:18
Why would a rebuilding team (Vancouver) trade picks away. not very well thought out IMO.

21 Jun 2019 00:27:23
It's "only" 2nd rounders and it's not forbidden for what you label rebuilding teams to trade a pick here and there to acquire an asset they could use very well. Seems like you're not following the NHL real closely. That was one very minor part of my entire proposal anyways lol.

19 Jun 2019 03:31:54
Detroit:Rasmussen

Win:Ehlers,2rd2019

19 Jun 2019 14:13:24
Let the low ball offers for Ehlers continue. Just because Chevy made that questionable Trouba trade doesn't mean he will trade away Ehlers for a poor return, I hope.

19 Jun 2019 17:56:04
Garbage offer for Winnipeg. No thanks.

20 Jun 2019 02:16:16
WPG adds the 2nd? Really?

19 Jun 2019 01:45:45
Edmonton: Jesse Puljujarvi

Detroit: Conditional 2020 2nd rd pick

condition: if Puljujarvi plays in less than 60 games the pick becomes a 2020 3rd

17 Jun 2019 02:13:26
Detroit:Hronek,Rasmussen

Win:Trouba,2rd2019

17 Jun 2019 04:41:07
Drop the second from Winnipeg, add a second from Detroit and change Rasmussen to Veleno and you'll likely receive some consideration if the Jets go the all futures route.

17 Jun 2019 05:35:56
Hronek was on a 40 point pace for the half season he played. Wouldn’t really call that a future. Maybe after a full season his value goes way up. I’d say drop the 2nd and it’s probably close.

17 Jun 2019 11:19:41
Hronek has played so well and fit in with Detroit that I much rather test and see if he can be as good as Trouba or close to him.

Of the two I would include Rasmussen over Veleno. Don't want to trade either but for the sake of this trade I would give up Rasmussen.

Most I would give up for Trouba is: Cholowski, Rasmussen, 2nd 19 (Maybe 2)

If that's not enough then I'm happy to stay put.

17 Jun 2019 16:03:23
A deal with Detroit will be hard to accomplish as the Wings don't have a top end player that they would want to trade for Trouba.

17 Jun 2019 19:21:25
Solid offer Datsyuk_fan13.

17 Jun 2019 19:53:10
Detroit is in rebuild, not looking for trouba. As has been said, jets would require more value to trade trouba for young pieces.

18 Jun 2019 02:32:55
For that price I would just want it trouba was nuts to play in both Detroit he will find a way there when he a fa.

16 Jun 2019 18:46:15
Detroit:Bertuzzi,Rasmussen,Svechnikov

Win:Trouba,3rd2019

16 Jun 2019 21:21:00
Wpg will probably want a defenseman back, but a D and Rasmussen is a good base, maybe a pick as well.

16 Jun 2019 21:55:05
Take out Bertuzzi and Svechnikov and add Hronek. Replace Rasmussen with Veleno and add a pick and you would possibly get some consideration.

16 Jun 2019 23:19:07
MemarcusJoe that’s actually a solid trade for Trouba And Schifele good proposal.

17 Jun 2019 01:56:20
DetroitMantha, I understand wanting to get Trouba. However if Winnipeg still wants this insane price, it's too much.

Giving up our depth of our future for a defenseman while young-ish won't make us a cup contender. We need a team and not just a player.

17 Jun 2019 02:22:13
The big advantage Detroit has is Trouba will definitely sign a long term deal with them. I just don't see any trade that makes the Jets jump at a deal. There are at least a dozen other teams making offers and I believe that Chevy will wait to get the one that trades the most NHL ready players.

17 Jun 2019 10:43:51
Not giving up Bertuzzi alone for Trouba. He brings so much to the table beyond goal scoring that I am just unwilling to trade him.

Evgeny Svechnikov's value is all time low, honestly rather see how he plays after injury before moving him.

Rasmussen I understand could be a base, if we have to include a defenseman, then Chowlowski on the high end or Hicketts would be the adds.

Hronek and McIssac are non-starters.

15 Jun 2019 14:13:12
Detroit:Rasmussen, AA, conditional 2 Rd pick

Winnipeg: Trouba

Condition is if Trouba gets 40 points this year. Rasmussen is a top prospects go got 18 points in 62 game Wich is really good for a 2 way center in his first NHL season. I really think he has the potential to be a big 55 + point 2 way center in the likes of Ryan O'Reilly and AA is a player who can play both wing or center. I actually think he's better as a winger Wich is fine bcuz Rasmussen is a center himself. Detroit pays a hefty price for a defensemen who only had 1 season that he played like he was more then a top 4 D. He's not a top 2 D atm and that's why he's getting the value of a top 4 D that has top 2 potential. Let me know what you guys think of this trade

15 Jun 2019 16:01:51
Last season was the 1st one Trouba got a chance to play on the 1st power play due to Buffs injury. The Jets shouldn't trade him for prospects, and draft choices because they are in a win now mode. Plus AA isn't a true center. Trouba can and will get a better return.

15 Jun 2019 18:06:01
Islandjets if one of the teams says no it's Detroit not Winnipeg. Do Rasmussen would be the best center after Scheiffle so number 2, while Roslovic can be a good number 3 and AA is a great second line center. Little is at the end of his career and can play wing or get traded as a rental.

15 Jun 2019 19:12:41
If this is the price from Wings for Trouba, I am fine with not getting him.

15 Jun 2019 19:50:13
Fair enough Datsyuk, would u do it with out the condition? Just those 2 for Trouba?

15 Jun 2019 22:36:26
DetroitMantha, I would be hesitant to give up one let alone both without an extension for Trouba.

Also we would be giving up huge part of our future offense for one very good Defenseman. To win a cup you need stars and depth.

We aren’t ready to compete yet, so I would be more comfortable staying the course with AA, Rasmussen and our picks.

If Trouba was a free agent, I would happily compete to sign him. Trading for him is too hefty the Wings to do.

15 Jun 2019 13:17:19
Detroit Trades: Jonathan Bernier

St. Louis Trades: Jake Allen

St.Louis saves 1.35 mill for next 2 years and gets a solid backup for Binnington.

Detroit takes a chance on Allen to see if he can turn it around with change of scenery and gets a slightly younger goalie by 2 years to help transition to youth.

Who adds? How much?

15 Jun 2019 16:12:52
I think Saint Louis takes this.

15 Jun 2019 21:36:25
Honestly I wouldn't be against it but would prefer to get a pick or two. We have husso and could sign a cheaper backup.

15 Jun 2019 22:42:49
redwing1,

I understand your point but many teams will have a challenge taking Allen’s salary without retention.

My premise with this deal is to help them get something serviceable and save cap rather than be stuck with retained salary for longer.

16 Jun 2019 05:05:14
I understand but rather have the better goalie for the small amount being saved. If we are going to trade Allen for cap reasons we would rather bring up one of our young guys so downgrading for 1.35mil isn't worth it. Rather get a pick for him.

10 Jun 2019 23:42:31
Detroit Trades
FNielsen

Toronto Trades
Zaitsev

Thoughts ?

11 Jun 2019 01:09:19
From a Wings perspective, I will have to decline. While Zaitsev could turn it around with a scenery change, he could also continue to be not worth his contract. So not willing to take that risk compared to a known player in Nielsen.

Nielsen is also playing a 2C stopgap for us until our prospects are ready. We have quite a few Dmen who need spots to see what they can do and we don't have a Center ready to cover for Nielsen.

So I don't see Detroit doing this despite the value not being too far off.

11 Jun 2019 14:56:28
Honestly, idk about this one. I would rather stay away from Neilson. He is making way too much and still has 3 years left in his contract. Leafs say no.

 
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