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05 Dec 2018 20:38:52
Detroit Trades
Glendening

Toronto Trades
CBrown

Straight up swap for 2 Teams in different situations.
Wings get a Younger Winger with more offensive upside.
Leafs get an older Vet who is great on the PK and more grit on the 4th line plus Babcock loves how Glendening plays.

Thoughts ?

05 Dec 2018 23:25:33
Not a whole lot to disagree with here. Very similar players. Glendening is cheaper and can play center as well. Detroit would have to find a way to squeeze Brown’s salary in, but that shouldn’t be much of a problem. Glendening is UFA when his contract expires, while Brown is RFA. Maybe I’m being greedy, but I feel Detroit should add a late round pick to compensate for the difference in ages and free agency status when the contracts expire.

05 Dec 2018 23:40:06
If ure happy with it as a leads fan good for u. Personally I value Brown about wide as much as Glendening but do get to watch Glendening often so I only see what on paper.

06 Dec 2018 05:09:25
I think brown could be a better player when it’s all said and done and he’s far younger. that being said, I think I would do this.

I would do this for 2 main reasons, first off Glendening is signed for 3 more years at $1.8 mill, Brown 2 more years at $2.1 mill. The 300k cap savings is modest but could make a difference but cost certainty for another year is nice. Secondly all 5 leafs Centers (Matthews, JT, Kadri, Lindholm And Gauthier are left handed. Glendening is an above average faceoff man who is a righty. Babcock likes having a righty on the strong side draws which is why Nylander takes them on Matthews line sometimes and Hyman for other lines. Hyman isn’t too bad but as we saw the other night, a cpl clean losses end up in the net. A true experienced RH centre for the bottom 6 could go a long way. The seasons gone so well that we haven’t missed JVRs offense, but this is where we miss Bozak. He took a lot of big draws for us.

04 Dec 2018 21:20:54
to Carolina
Nyquist (50% retained)

to Detroit
4th.

05 Dec 2018 00:54:29
Bruhh.

05 Dec 2018 00:57:27
This trade is so bad that I am actually tempted to take a trade from Pinball where it was Josh Levio plus 2nd for Nyquist.

So this is clearly even more trolling than a Pinball trade. Just saying.

Regardless, Nyquist will be traded for late 1st with retention or possibly 2 2nds if bidding is competitive. Wrists case if his value is low would be 2nd and 3rd.

This 4th might get you Nyquist'e beard shavings haha.

05 Dec 2018 05:35:11
If Carolina has a chance to make the playoffs they may make a trade like this. Nyqvist is having a very good year on a poor Detroit team. At current pace for 20 goals and 60 points. I got to imagine at minimal a 1st+ is included here. And if Detroit is doing Carolina a favor by retaining salary, even though Canes have plenty of cap space while Detroit does not, a half decent pick/ prospect must needs to be added.

I mean, right idea, right team, right player. Just an underwhelming offer is all. Nothing comes off the roster for Canes, so it’s a low risk/ high reward scenario. Precisely the type most gm’s enjoy.

03 Nov 2018 04:05:16
Detroit Trades: Jimmy Howard or Jonathan Bernier

LA King's Trades: 2019 2nd (maybe add a 3rd for Bernier)

King's get a Vet Goalle to support their playoff chances. Detroit gets picks and cap space for rebuild.

Detroit signs Lehtonen for 1 year deal to back up other goalie.

Close? Which Wings Goalie has more value?

03 Nov 2018 05:05:23
How long is Quick out.?

03 Nov 2018 14:01:49
Just had surgery. Months I’m assuming.

03 Nov 2018 18:43:47
I kinda think Kings should consider a rebuild, or a reset kinda thing
I know they still have Doughty and Kopitar, but it jus seems like there time as contenders has been over for a few years now ., and they have been holding on to the past glory.
They have some pieces that other teams would like, I'm sure. Muzzin, Kovalchuck? Ect.
They had a great run! . but I think it's time to change things up a bit.

03 Nov 2018 22:04:52
You really think LA is that desperate to give up anything for Bernier? Why don’t they just put a stop sign in net? Would do the same job.

04 Nov 2018 14:22:46
I think I read they might just stay with Budaj and Jack Campbell? Maybe see how that goes for a few games.

01 Nov 2018 02:17:12
Detroit:AA

Phoenix:2rd 2019,3rd 2019

01 Nov 2018 03:17:16
If Detriot is offering up AA for draft picks. I would consider him. Maybe a good fot with Drai.

01 Nov 2018 03:24:02
Ya honestly I don't think he's worth a first because his stats are not so great and it's not like he's 21 and will get significantly better but I think in his prime he can be a consistent 35 to 45 point winger or center I know he has the capability of playing either position. Atm he's a center right?

01 Nov 2018 13:33:22
Athanasiou is young, fast, versatile, inexpensive, and will be on the team for years. Detroit won’t be trading him for picks.

01 Nov 2018 13:59:22
He's listed as a center. Injured right now. Left handed. Can play both center and wing tho, Not sure what he's played more of over the years. I think When I've noticed, he was on the wing.

01 Nov 2018 14:00:51
Drafted 110th overall in the 2012 drafts tho. Already 24 years old. got to break out any time now. I think he's got a good skill set and could be a 40-50 point winger year in year out. That's pretty solid.

24 Oct 2018 22:17:16
2 Proposal Trades after W. Nylander is signed.

1st.
Detroit Trades
Mantha

Toronto Trades
Kapanen
4th Round Pick 2019
2nd Round Pick 2020


2nd
Vancouver Trades
Gagner (AHL)

Toronto Trades
FGauthier
Leivo

Gagner is recalled from the Marlies to fill out the 23 Man Roster.

New Forward Lines.

Mantha
Matthews
WNylander

Hyman
Tavares
Marner

Marleau
Kadri
Gagner

AJohnsson/Ennis
PLindholm
CBrown


Thoughts ?

24 Oct 2018 23:35:58
So the Leafs trade two home grown guys who have finally been able to get some ice time on one of the deeper forward groups in the NHL for a guy who couldn't crack a rebuilding Vancouver's roster.

Makes total sense.

25 Oct 2018 04:02:22
I thought Gagner is still owned by Vancouver in which I really don’t fully understand?

25 Oct 2018 13:34:59
Please stop posting the gagner trade, it s horrible for the leafs, would rather just keep Leivo.

23 Oct 2018 21:43:43
Tor:Nylander

Detroit:Mantha, 2rd 2018

24 Oct 2018 04:05:54
It would have to be Mantha and a first.

24 Oct 2018 11:38:03
@ml

DET tells you to gtfo, because their first is likely Hughes.

24 Oct 2018 12:37:40
Likely Hughes? If they finish last they only have a 20% chance.

24 Oct 2018 12:45:37
Exactly so no deal.

16 Sep 2018 23:13:36
Detroit: SJ's second round pick
Ottawa: Trevor Daley

Ottawa needs a vet NHL defenseman. Detroit also rebuilding and could use the pick.

17 Sep 2018 06:21:23
Lol not a 2nd.

17 Sep 2018 16:38:08
You can find ‘good leaders’ and veteran presence type guys for free in free agency, even after camps when some PTOs are released. Without giving up a 2nd while trying to accumulate young players.

17 Sep 2018 21:52:56
I am just thinking that those players haven't been signed or released from a PTO for a reason. I would rather have that roster spot taken by a kid. But I think when these guys get undressed by the elite, you'd like a little more than Ceci and Boro on the bench to provide that veteran element and leadership. Maybe the answer is in coaching or player development guys. Donovan and Kelly have a load of experience, but as players they were not that different from one another so likely bring a lot of the same attributes to the table. So if they hire only ex-Sens for this type of role, then maybe Curtis Lesyschen could be coerced. Or Chris Phillips or Wade Redden. You have to know every team is going to come hard on the forecheck against this D.

18 Sep 2018 00:52:41
Hey, if that’s what you want to spend assets on, I’d be happy to try to convince Dubas to send Hainsey your way for a 2nd.

Reality is, guys get cut from PTOs becaue they lack the speed or skill they used to have, not character and leadership. If they weren’t good characters, they never would get invited to be around a teams youth at camp to begin with.

27 Aug 2018 04:49:57
Detroit trades: Svechnikov

Carolina trades: Bean

27 Aug 2018 05:52:53
No from Carolina.

30 Aug 2018 13:21:52
No from Detroit Svechnikov is a keeper.

23 Aug 2018 15:31:25
Detroit Trades: Gustav Nyquist

Nashville Trades: Conditional 2nd 2019 ( Becomes 1st if Nyquist re-signs or Nashville reaches Conference Finals), 3rd 2020

Detroit reason: Clears cap space and Roster Spot for youth

Nashville reason: Gets a scoring winger to help add depth up front where they need more help.

Fair value? Who adds?

23 Aug 2018 18:45:51
I like it.

23 Aug 2018 19:40:01
Seems good value both ways.

23 Aug 2018 20:46:22
I think that if the xondition isn't meet then the 3rd 2020 should convert to a 2nd 2020.

AT minimum Nyquist is worth 2 seconds. very defensivley sound 20 goal scorer50 point winger.

25 Aug 2018 04:51:45
Thanks for the Feedback everyone. I feel Nashville could be a great Destination at the Deadline go push for this deal.

@redwing1

I agree with that. Two 2nds would be solid, he won’t get what Hartman go but still should fetch a nice return. Especially if there is a bidding war for his services.

25 Aug 2018 06:16:06
Maybe more like a late 1st but idk.

23 Aug 2018 08:45:57
Detroit Trades: Jonathan Ericsson (2 years, 4.250 million)

New Jersey Trades: 3rd 2019 (ANA), Conditional 3rd 2020 (2nd if Devils Re-sign Ericsson)

Detroit reason: Clears cap and makes room for Hronek or Hicketts to crack the roster.

New Jersey Reason:Gets Veteran Swedish Defenseman to help mentor and anchor Severson. Fills the gap left by Moore and they have enough cap space to try him out for this year and next.

Is the value fair? Too much? Too little?

23 Aug 2018 13:18:47
Don’t usually see ‘condition on signing’ with 2 years left. That would be entering his final season, deadline of final season or trading his rights after the season.

23 Aug 2018 15:40:55
Eww no from NJ, Wings are stuck with Ericsson.

25 Aug 2018 04:56:14
Thanks for the feedback.

@unbiasedjim You make a good point about conditions. Maybe the condition could be play related.

@Hotguybabes

Ericsson is a decent Defenseman who may succeed with a change of scenery. Also his term is much lower which makes his contract more tolerable. New Jersey also has cap space and a need for Defenseman. Adding depth like Ericsson for picks can certainly help them push to make the playoffs again. They may not go far but deeper defense can help get you I’m.

22 Aug 2018 16:18:01
To DET: Calvin Pickard

To TOR: Luke Glendening

22 Aug 2018 17:34:40
Detroit declines, if we need Pickard it won’t cost us Glendening.

He may go for a mid pick or waiver pick up. As a Wings Fan, I would pay that over Glendening.

Not saying the value is off, Just that this is one of those cases where Glendening’s intangibles make him more valuable to the Wings than other teams may value him.

Like it would take an overpay to pry him out.

This is a good destination for him because Glendening had good history with Babcock.

I remember the estimated price for Toronto was at least a 2nd and I’m pretty sure even Liljegren was an ask for Glendening a year or 2 ago.

So basically: Pickard won’t get you Glendening and you won’t like the price if it happens.

22 Aug 2018 18:17:01
He might be a good fit, but the first time i ever heard there was interest was leading up to this past deadline, not a year or two ago. And liljegren was not the asking price I rememebr being reported lol also he’s only been drafted a year and a cpl months. They were not trading a freshly drafted RH puck moving D who was ranked as a top 5 pick and fell to them at 17th for a 4th liner lol that’s outrageous. That’s like saying in 2016, the asking price for Nick Spaling for the wings from the leafs was Dylan Larkin lol not a chance.

22 Aug 2018 19:59:48
Was there really a list that ranked liligren at 5th anywhere close to the draft? Only lists I can remember had him going anywhere from 10 to 18th.

22 Aug 2018 20:33:27
@Habby, I just re-read my response. I worded that poorly. He wasn’t a projected top 5 pick heading in to that draft. He was touted as a top 5 pick, even as high as second on some lists the previous season. His draft year was less than stellar allowing leafs to get him at 17th. Just meant that they weren’t trading that kind of potential at 18 years old At a position that every team either needs or can’t get enough of for a 4th liner. I stand by the rest of it tho, saying the wings wouldn’t trade Larkin at 18 and oilers wouldn’t trade Yamamoto at 18 etc for 4th line depth, just because they were picked 15-25th overall instead of top 5 or 10 lol.

22 Aug 2018 20:34:02
Why trade for them when teams will wait until the end of training camp and claim either Sparks and Pickard off waivers.

22 Aug 2018 21:14:41
@islandjet, that’s a possibility, but often times with these low value guys they trade for them for total contract numbers. Pickard cleared waivers 2 days before the leafs traded for him last season. They did that because they were planning on making moves at the deadline and didn’t want to handcuff themselves at 50 total contracts. So as soon as pickard cleared, they worked out a trade for him and sent Lindberg to Vegas. Not sure what Detroit’s contract numbers are, but waivers vs trades happen for a real reason.

22 Aug 2018 21:30:27
However right after training camp, teams probably have more flexibility and could just claim on of them.

22 Aug 2018 22:32:30
Liljegren was considered a top 2 pick the year prior to his draft. He got really sick (I believe it was mono) which caused him to fall in the draft because he didn't have a good year due to his sickness. So yes, he has pedigree and if the Wings asked for Liljegren for Glendening the leafs rightfully refused.

22 Aug 2018 23:30:01
Glendening is a 4th line center on one of the worst rosters in the NHL.

I sincerely doubt Liljegren was ever the ask, and frankly feel like I lost a few IQ points having read it.

23 Aug 2018 02:02:48
Yes liljigren was projected to be a tip 2 but missed a lot of games his draft season.

As for Picard clearing wavers, it's a formal process. Once a player clears wavers they are eligible to be send down to the minors unless a team claims him, at which point he must remain on the nhl team until he clears waivers. The only reason the leafs traded for Picard was because he cleared waivers and was eligible to be sent to the marlies immediately.

23 Aug 2018 08:36:52
@UnbiasedJim

I agree with what you said. Although I may have been a little out of context.

What I was trying to say is that I read a single article that Liljegren was a potential piece in a deal that obviously fell through at the past deadline (forgot when it was) . Clearly that author knew nothing about hockey.

Now obviously one article does not lead to accuracy on the real asking price. What I will add is that Leafs did show interest so they could re visit this at the deadline again.

I know that Glendening a 4th line C and is not getting a stud D prospect like Liljegren. Just expecting draft picks and as high as the bidding war will take it.

However, I feel overall that my Wings won’t move him because we don’t have a replacement for him who does the intangibles on the PK and flexibility to move around the lineup.

Basically, trying to get across that I would prefer picks/ prospects over Pickard. Pickard’s ceiling isn’t high so just from a Red Wings Team need perspective, we would be looking for like Tyler Parsons, Carter Hart or someone like that. Not saying we will get them but that’s what we’re looking for.

23 Aug 2018 14:01:24
I don't think a 2nd is an unreasonable ask. If I was a GM I personally would not trade a 2nd for Glendening, but I'm pretty sure the Leafs were foolish enough to trade a second to Montreal for Monsieur Turtleneck last year.

I thought that was a bad trade by the Leafs then, and still do, but it certainly gives credibility to the ask for Glendening (especially to a divison rival as was the case with Plekanec) .

23 Aug 2018 14:58:33
For Glendening as a controllable player to shore up our 4th line, I’d do a 3rd easily and probably a second (would be a late one anyway) . Babcock has had 4-5 guys rotate in and out trying to get that 4th lone C role filled and hasn’t found him. So if he’s comfortable with Glendening, get him. All I was saying is you don’t trade Liljegren to do it lol leafs have plenty of prospect depth of guys that you expect to draft in the 2nd and 3rd round. Of course you could give up that 2nd round pick that becomes Johnny Quick or Pk Subban or Patrice Bergeron, but generally speaking they are guys that could crack your line up in a few years as middle tier guys.

17 Aug 2018 21:32:16
2 Trade Proposals

First.

Colorado Trades
Barrie

Toronto Trades
Brown
Carrick
1st Round Pick 2019


Second.

Detroit Trades
Nyquist

Toronto Trades
Leivo
2nd Round Pick 2019
3rd Round Pick 2020
7th Round Pick 2020


Don't want to hear can't compare The Skinner trade to this because Skinner is injury prone, Skinner has missed only 8 games in 4yrs Nyquist 6 games, if anything Skinner is the better player if compared, Colorado even though they made the playoffs are rebuilding on the fly and my trade Proposal helps them long term as well as this season as both Brown and Carrick will play full time with them.

Thoughts ?

18 Aug 2018 00:28:57
I think you've hit both trades right on the head. There is no way Detroit or Colorado could turn them down. Make sure you email the GM's of all three teams right now and let them take advantage of your superior trade packaging ability.

Colorado and Detroit fans: I'm only kidding, but I just wanted to give Pinball a positive response for once.

18 Aug 2018 01:05:33
1st one no from Colorado and Detroit probably takes that at the deadline but Toronto dose not need Nyquist. He would probably be playing fourth line.

18 Aug 2018 02:54:16
First Trade:

You are trading depth pieces and a 1st for the Avs best Defenseman. Not enough for Barrie. Also the Avs may be rebuilding on the fly like you say but the Avs still need good players to teach and hide the youth behind. Also Avs made the playoffs, they are probably trying to build around MacKinnon and not blow it up.

Second Trade:

I’m pretty sure someone on here literally said that there is no real comparison bar and Skinner trade shouldn’t really used as a comparable. It’s one thing to compare contracts based on similar play, doesn’t necessarily mean th trade values should be the same.

Regardless of th injury history, as a wings fan we decline. Those picks are also expected to be late now with all the expectations as leafs being cup favourites.

I do expect a better offer that doesn’t include fillers like Leivo. Or at least if there is a bidding war then I can see other teams beating that.

Main point- Nyquist won’t be a Maple Leaf. So you can forget it.

18 Aug 2018 03:43:55
Easiest no from Colorado and that’s a lot of nothing for Nyquist but 🤷🏼‍♂️.

18 Aug 2018 05:05:06
Well. at least it wasn't a proposal for Panarin.

18 Aug 2018 14:48:03
If you were a gm you'd have easily the best team in the league! But I guess have a hard time getting other gms to agree but your ideas trading garbage for talent are incredible!

18 Aug 2018 18:16:44
Detroit says no. We are rebuilding and need at least a first and b+ prospect. Leivo and a bunch of crap picks doesn't move the dial.

15 Aug 2018 19:01:58
Detroit Trades:
Jimmy Howard
Gustav Nyquist (50 % retained)

Calgary Trades:
Tyler Parsons
3rd 2019
Conditional 2nd 2020 ( 1st if Nyquist re-signs)

Detroit does this to clear cap and gain a young goalie prospect with upside.

Calgary gets a veteran 1B goalie t share with Smith and depth for their Top 9.


Who adds? Is it fair?

15 Aug 2018 20:43:07
Calg can't add all that $$. Lol.

16 Aug 2018 18:49:49
@yupp That was my concern too.

I als forgot when I saw Capfriendly that they haven’t re-signed Hanafin.

Is there any cap they can send back? I know Brouwer was their main cap dump but he’s bought out.

Is the value fair otherwise?

16 Aug 2018 22:24:20
I don't see the Flames trading for aging guys when they already have a 36 year old goalie and they like their backup Rittich (? ) . And they just let older Brouwer go and made a trade to get younger on D and wing respectively. They have some good young players who are knocking on the door and will get their shot, I just do see them bringing in an old Howard with the two goalies they have now and an older winger when they just brought in Neal and Lindholm.
I think they would just rather keep that prospect. Also they can't fit that money anyways. But if they could I would say a big no from Calgary anyways.

17 Aug 2018 18:01:13
Parsons has struggled thus far its never a good sign for a goalie to be playing in the ECHL the future for him isn’t that bright and why would Philly need a struggling goalie prospect? Hart looks like a stud.

17 Aug 2018 18:03:09
Disregard my last post I’m not sure what I was thinking. I read the previous post and got confused.

18 Aug 2018 02:57:55
@yupp

You make some good points. Thanks for the feedback.

Just trying to see if Wings can get a nice G prospect. After Howard and Bernier it’s all just hoping that one becomes a stud.

Is there any other teams that might consider moving a G prospect with Parsons similar upside?

14 Aug 2018 13:56:12
Detroit Trades
Nyquist

Toronto Trades
Leivo
Joshua (Big-10)
2nd Round Pick 2019
6th Round Pick 2020

Red Wings are in some Cap issues and with more of a rebuild underway and Nyquist to become a UFA after this Season this makes sense for them, plus Leivo will be a regular in the NHL finally which he deserves.
The Leafs add to there Top 6 and Babcock knows Nyquist well from his Detroit Coaching days, it also sets up another Trade to get a Defenceman with either Connor Brown or Kapanen plus there 2019 1st Round Pick being the center pieces.
Ok this post isn't a Panarin Trade Proposal and really does make sense for both Teams.

Thoughts ?

14 Aug 2018 14:16:27
I think you need help.

14 Aug 2018 14:56:38
For this return, I think Detroit is better off just letting him walk at the end of the year.

14 Aug 2018 15:20:29
Similar to the Skinner Trade everyone and Detroit has to get the Cap Space down, to say #memarcusjoe that the Wings would rather Nyquist walk than get that in return tells me you are only looking at this Season for Detroit who won't make the Playoffs with or without Nyquist and Detroit doesn't care about the future or the Salary Cap rules.
I do believe on here people see it's a Pinball Post so of course it's slammed.

14 Aug 2018 15:46:11
Actually Pinball, it's just that if you want a team to trade with you, you need to give them an incentive. You've offered two players with a low percentage chance of becoming 4th liners in the NHL. Along with 2 picks that have an even lower chance of making it to the NHL at all. So, why would they trade him? They can likely get at least that return and probably more at the deadline from a contending team and they've been able to use him for half a season.

14 Aug 2018 17:55:58
mwmarcusjoe Nyquist was a 4th Round Pick so to say a 2nd Round Pick isn't worth anything makes no sense, the only reason Leivo isn't a regular is because the Leafs forwards are to deep and he has scored in every league he has ever Played in he just needs to play, Nyquist is a UFA and not as good as Skinner is and Carolina got less, so I see a trade even though you see Nyquist as more than what he is.

14 Aug 2018 18:05:06
yeah no thanks,

You want nyquist start think rental price 1st and b prospect. Possible retention for a better prospect. Easy 20 goals and 30 assists. COuld produce more with a better team.

14 Aug 2018 18:12:32
Pinball, exactly as Redwing1 says. The Wings will get more trading him at the deadline. They have no obligation to do the Leafs a favour and take a lowball offer just because you want them to. No matter how much you try to rationalize it.

14 Aug 2018 18:19:07
Ok #redwing1

Nyquist for Leivo, Joshua, 1st Round Pick 2019.

Is that enough?

I would do that if I where Dubas also.

14 Aug 2018 19:11:57
Few things to consider:

1. Skinner may be the more productive player over Nyquist but also is way more injury prone which lowered his value. Nyquist is healthier and could use a change of scenery.

2. Detroit has been under Babcock's coaching for so long that many players are tired of him. I think even Nyquist can attest to this, so him wanting to go to Toronto based on familiarity may only be one sided. You would have better luck with Glenndenning instead.

3.With Zetterberg's likely injury, he will go on LTIR. So we don't need cap space immediately. We can get it easily by deadline trading these players. There is not a big rush.

4. If we trade Nyquist as a rental, we will still have enough room to maximize his value. We obviously won't get what Tatar got but we could still get a 2nd, 3rd and ok prospect. Maybe even more with retention.

5. @Pinball, your last deal still only gives us a first of value and two useless players. I think we could get better elsewhere if that's TOs best offer.

14 Aug 2018 19:18:33
Again the Wings are over the Cap by almost 4 million, they have to shed salary before preseason not at the deadline mwmarcusjoe.
Salary Cap rules are in place and Detroit is over the Cap.

14 Aug 2018 20:00:58
Skinner is injury prone #Datsyuk_Fan13?
Skinner in 4yrs has missed 8 games Nyquist 6 games only 2 more games than Nyquist, so before you post know your facts, Skinner is a better player than Nyquist again that's a fact, also what Carolina got for Skinner is still less than my proposal, Carolina set the bar for 50 point wingers going into there last year before being a UFA and weather it's the Leafs or another Team what I proposed is about right. Again that's fact.

14 Aug 2018 20:43:02
@Pinball

I was referring to Skinner having had multiple concussions in his history. He is finally starting to show signs of recovery.

Concussion issues even in the past still hurt trade value.

If h gets another one, then those many games played the last 4 years you mentioned are pointless.

I agree Skinner is the better player but doesn’t mean everyone else will sell for that low.

Also the Canes took this deal because they didn’t want to risk lowering his value, an injury or poor production would have hurt it.

14 Aug 2018 20:46:05
I’ll just say this. There is absolutely no way Nyquist should get what Skinner got. I think a 2nd for Nyquist is more then fair but even just giving a 7th is redundant from a Toronto POV where would he even play?

A team like Columbus will probably acquire him for a 2nd or a 3rd + a prospect. Teams are starting to become reluctant to trade 1sts and no one will give an Unconditional 1st.

I feel like just the username it’s self is leading to hate.

14 Aug 2018 20:50:22
Also in regards to cap space, I am pretty sure LTiR will end up covering most of this.

If not then we will make a trade and get the return we like, so far I’m not loving the Leafs proposal you mentioned so don’t count on the leafs getting Nyquist.

P. s I looked up and found a fact that the last trade between Wings and Leafs was March 24, 1998


Not expecting another one anytime soon.

14 Aug 2018 21:23:45
I just don't think the Skinner trade set a bar (TBH I don't think there is ever a bar ) . Mostly because when there is a good player to get and there is no NTC then a biding war happens ya it might not get super high. IK we all think our GM is stupid at times but they also look to what they think is best for the team. For all we know Skinner could have been sold low due to them just wanting to trade him and his NMC affected some of those trades.

14 Aug 2018 23:14:31
That's true ctc and also the prospect they got back could have been higher on there radar then most people think he is.

15 Aug 2018 05:36:06
Nyquist isn’t really anything special tho no team will start a bidding war.

15 Aug 2018 17:27:01
Why is there an argument about nyquist on here.
after the leafs detroit is my second favourite team, nyquist really isn't that great highest points in season was 54, 4 years ago. he has had 40, 48, 43, 54, 48 over his past 5 years in the league. He is not worth a 1st as a bunch of guys on here are saying (could he get a return with one, honestly I wouldn't be surprised. i won't overestimate nhl gms)

on the the return, a 2nd + 3rd/ 4th probably gets him. With Lievo he easily makes the red wings top 9 (without nyquist) would you take any of glendenning/ bertuzzi/ frk over him? i sure as hell wouldnt. he doesn't fit on the leafs forwards core because they have at least 12 fwrds better than him.

I'd love for Det to get a 1st for nyquist but i'm not sur eit will happen. also why does nyquist fit on the leafs? the only forwards I take nyquist over are brown, ennis, lindholm who will most likely be tor's 4th line. (for what its worth nyquist is probably better than kapanen/ johnsson right now but i take that youth and upside over him our top 9)

Wow I just wasted my time on Gustav Nyquist. i swear he better get the wings a 1st now.

15 Aug 2018 20:44:28
Skinner had his injuries earlier but they weren’t missing tons of time. And over his last 5 seasons, he has 140g while missing a total of 18 games. An argument of Nyquists durability over skinner does not hold water lol.

15 Aug 2018 21:59:22
Big Z, well said. You’re dead on. Only guys he could beat out are guys we expect to put up his type of pts (45-55) down the road and they’re dirt cheap right now and need the experience. Extremely counter productive.

15 Aug 2018 22:34:39
We don't need more offence.

15 Aug 2018 23:07:29
Big Z is right 100%.

16 Aug 2018 21:14:37
That is what everyone is saying. But for some reason every leaf trade proposed has been for a fwd and they don't need that and we all see it and disagree because of that fact not value wise.

14 Aug 2018 03:20:09
to New Jersey
DeKeyser (800k retained)

to Detroit
Santini

New Jersey gets a decent defenseman who they can fit into their defense while having expanses of space to fit him, while Detroit removes one of the many egregious salaries it owes. NJ could also be a good candidate for Abdelkader, but probably couldn't fit the both of them.

14 Aug 2018 19:14:01
As a Wings fan, I wouldn't hate this but would just prefer picks/ prospects.

Santini is 23, not sure his upside. So not overly thrilled.

Also I doubt NJD wants Dekeyser's contract. They may actually prefer Ericsson and his lower term.

10 Aug 2018 23:49:04
WPG: Trouba
DET: Larkin

Detroit gets a #1 RHD from Michigan that'll be their cornerstone piece in the rebuild. Jets get a top C who can play on the second line behind Scheifele and flourish. Also to note Larkin and Connor grew up together so they'll have some chemistry as well.

The Jets may need to add however I rate a top defenceman over a top center based on positional value. It's harder to find the top defenceman compared to a center which always seems to be a top 3 Pick if not multiple within the top 3.

Thoughts?

11 Aug 2018 04:40:16
I like it but guarantee you people think Trouba can get more lol however I also think Detroit should keep Larkin they need him.

11 Aug 2018 05:27:59
No way from Detroit they just signed there home town boy future captain to a cap friendly 5 year deal.

11 Aug 2018 06:04:42
Detroit would have nothing left at center, so I can't see them doing it. The Jets need their top pairing RHD more than a 2C, so it doesn't work for Winnipeg.

11 Aug 2018 09:29:43
Detroit wouldn't trade Larkin as they have just locked him up for 5 years and he is their stud center. They would love to have Trouba but I don't see the Wings having any players that the Jets would want for their #1 right shot d-man.

11 Aug 2018 11:28:15
Face it guys, these WPG fans know best. Trouba is just too valuable. In addition to singlehandedly winning the Jets a cup this year he is also designing a climate controlling apparatus to make the winters in the peg less harsh. He might even have superpowers. He can beat Guitar Hero on expert and his pubes cure cancer.

11 Aug 2018 15:15:20
No Unsportsmanlike its just many Jet fans are realistic that the Jets will expect a proper return for a young RHD. Chevy wouldn't want scraps like many of the Leaf offers posted here or players that other teams would never trade like the Larkin proposal. When Chevy makes a deal it will be for pieces that will help the Jets in the future not just now.

11 Aug 2018 15:24:22
The funny thing is he isn’t even the Number 1 D he’s the 2 D behind big buff.

11 Aug 2018 16:13:31
vbbbv Your comment proves how deep the Jets are at d with Poolman, Niku, Stanley and Samberg in the wings. They really don't need the human turnstile Gardner. Some of the Leaf posters should try and peddle him to another team, or better yet keep him since he is so good then he can break your heart with his pathetic defensive play when you need him the most.

11 Aug 2018 17:15:55
Never once proposed the leafs should trade Gardiner I personally think they should keep him. Also this trades about Larkin not Gardiner. Larkin>>Trouba.

11 Aug 2018 20:05:33
Just curious islandjet. Did you only watch one game in the playoffs? Gardiner is not as bad as you make him out to be.

11 Aug 2018 20:47:15
Anyways, I think it’s pretty fair value wise. Joe I agree Detroit would have nothing left at center but if Winnipeg was offered Larkin, I think they’d be all over it. You can never have too many centres and I think he also plays the wing.

12 Aug 2018 00:08:45
Leafs17, I agree that value wise in a vacuum it is pretty good, but the Jets need to keep Trouba more than we need a better 2C. Trouba is our top pairing, shut down defenseman. If Larkin was going to be our number 1C, it would be worth it. But if we trade Trouba for a forward we need to go out and find another young, high end defenseman. It would make our offense, which is already really good, better, but would hurt our defense more. It's just not worth the trade off.

12 Aug 2018 00:43:57
Should the jets be trading Myers for a LD then? No need for 3 strong RH d and a weak left side.

12 Aug 2018 01:57:21
Yeah but memarcusjoe you won’t have Trouba in a year. Larkin would be an amazing return.

12 Aug 2018 07:25:23
Leafs17, we can't trade Myers until we know for sure what is happening with Trouba.

Ebsolutely, why won't the Jets have Trouba in a year? He's still RFA at the end of his contract. If they have to trade him next summer they'll still get a huge return.

12 Aug 2018 07:48:01
My bad I thought he was a UFA at seasons end. Still think Larkin would be a good and smart return.

12 Aug 2018 08:30:09
Ebsolutely, Larkin would be a good return. Just not what the Jets need at this point.

12 Aug 2018 16:00:07
This trade could make sense if Poolman steps up and becomes a shut down defender he has the potential to be. The Jets would be more willing to part with Trouba if this happens. This trade would be fair for both teams as it addresses a desperate need for the Wings and makes the Jets very strong at center. The Wings still should be hesitant to do it as young, talented centers that are signed long term to a fair contract are hard to come by, but Trouba is their home town kid.

20 Jul 2018 19:16:22
Devils: 2019 3rd round pick, LW John Quenneville

Red Wings: RW Johann Franzen, RW Gustav Nyquist

Wings still need to bring back Dylan Larkin and add 3 more roster players with only 7m in cap when Franzen goes on LTIR. Devils provide some wiggle room and send over a prospect

17 Jul 2018 20:26:28
If Trouba doesn't sign long term in WPG.

WPG: Trouba
TOR: Rielly

Or

WPG: Trouba, Perreault
CLB: Jones

Or

WPG: Trouba
DET: Zadina

17 Jul 2018 21:14:21
I don't really seeing any of those 3 teams parting with any of the proposed players for Trouba. especially Columbus .

17 Jul 2018 22:31:21
Ohh my god not even close for Jones. Schifele for Jones is fair.

18 Jul 2018 00:45:06
Wow. Tor, CLB, Det laugh at you. Especially CLB.

18 Jul 2018 01:28:52
None of these trades really improve either team as they give up a good player to get a good player which is addition by subtraction.

18 Jul 2018 02:38:58
islandjet, what? The Jets improve with every trade and are clear winners in them too.
The Jets upgrade big time in the CLB trade. Improve overall in the Tor trade trading from a position of strength (RHD) for a LHD. And Zadina I would honestly say has more value and upside to Trouba even tho he's a winger he has great great potential. If you want Zadina it's going to cost Trouba + IMO.

CLB laughs at Winnipeg if they offered that for Jones.

18 Jul 2018 12:58:20
Trading Rielly for Trouba just pushes our weak side to left instead of right without actually getting better. Add in the fact that trouba is a hard negotiation and apparently looking for $8mlll and Rielly is locked up for $5 mill and it’s a very very easy no.

18 Jul 2018 13:59:29
For the Toronto trade the Jets would rather keep their top pairing shut down D.

I doubt CLB would want Perreault as an add.

For Zadina, the Jets don't need wingers, so he would be an add not the main piece.

18 Jul 2018 14:19:30
Wow. Jets fans here are delusional.

18 Jul 2018 14:25:40
“Zadina would be an add”

Did I just hear that right? Zadina was consensus top3 pick, just MTL, OTT and ARZ are dumb. He’s not an addin. Trouba doesn’t get you him.

And Trouba doesn’t get Mo either. Rielly has outperformed Trouba too.

And CBJ laughs at you.

18 Jul 2018 14:25:59
Count on Marcus to make 3 trades that favour the jets look like the jets are doing teams a favour lol

Jets are going to have a bad cap problem, worse than the leafs. They have more depth of RHD and want LHD and yet trading a good RHD for a good LHD of the same age making $5 mill ($2-3 mill less than trouba demands) is somehow a negative?! Lol okay man, you’re right!

18 Jul 2018 16:33:15
Jim, you are correct that the Jets would be doing the other teams a favour in two of the trades.

I know fans have a fascination with shiny, new toys, but NHL GM's think realistically, so one magic bean is not going to land a top pairing D man, especially when that bean is a winger that the team has no need of.

Leaf fans are on here constantly begging for Trouba, because of their poor defense. Reilly is a rover with little defensive ability, so you are correct TO would have to add to him to get Trouba as we already have a better rover.

So, you can whine all you want but you know without doubt Trouba would be the Leafs #1 D man by a good margin.

18 Jul 2018 17:28:01
Okay lol I would trade Rielly straight up for Trouba. He has indicated he doesn’t want to be in a Canadian market before, he’s been a contract hold out before and his arbitration filing asked for $7 mill. Rielly likes Toronto, actually thrives with the pressure and attention that comes with it, is great with media and is as good of player as Trouba who is signed for $5mill. Easily more valuable.

18 Jul 2018 17:54:14
Wouldn’t trade*.

18 Jul 2018 18:15:20
Of course you wouldn't trade Reilly straight up for Trouba because you know the Jets would not accept the downgrade without compensation. So, it would be pointless to try. Reilly demonstrated in the playoffs that playing above a #3D is a stretch for him.

18 Jul 2018 19:53:00
Lmao such a Jets homer. Wow.

18 Jul 2018 21:11:41
Tor does not laugh. Trouba is better all around than Rielly.

18 Jul 2018 22:00:07
He knows he’s out to lunch on this. Just in to deep to admit it lol Anyone that has watched Rielly and Trouba play will tell you that they’re both really good players, but neither are real game breakers yet that separate themselves from each others company. So then look at age: they’re the same. So then what else weighs into a players trade value? contract status. And that goes to Rielly by a mile (4x5mill) vs free agent and looking for $7-8 mill depending on term.

18 Jul 2018 22:38:56
Reilly is good but way over-hyped by the Toronto Media Monster. He would be a fantastic #2 left shot d-man but he isn't a shut down defender as he plays soft and still makes too many mistakes. Trouba always plays against the other teams #1 line and penalty kill. He isn't perfect but is a young, physical, very good right shot d-man.

19 Jul 2018 02:37:21
I'd rather have Rielly over Trouba. Trouba being overvalued by WPG fans here heavily. Also he has trouble staying healthy.

20 Jul 2018 15:01:28
I think leafs would be interested in Trouba but trading Rielly just opens another hole. Then Gardner is your number 1ld.

Maybe something like a package with garner could do it. Dermott could move up or Hainsey is naturally a ld.

Gardner pickard/ sparks and 3rd

Trouba


Win can use a ld and garner put up 50 points last year hast some value. The goalie is just organizational depth.

09 Jul 2018 01:34:11
WPG: Kulikov
DET: Ericsson

09 Jul 2018 15:36:06
Ericsson really isn't what the Jets would want for Kulokov as it would be trading for a 34 year old d-man that gets $4 mil per year when the Jets are looking to shed get more cap space to sign their RFA. If Kulikov is traded it might be for prospects and draft choices or as part of a package that could include Perreault, Myers, Petan, Dano and even Little.

09 Jul 2018 21:25:24
The Jets do not need to take on any deadweight.

29 Jun 2018 18:51:29
Base of the trade:

To CAR:
Evgeni Svechnikov

To DET:
Justin Faulk

Carolina adds. Not sure how much.

Svechnikov is obviously a brother of Andrei who the Canes have just drafted. He took a step back last season but could benefit from a change of scenery and maybe playing with his bro.

Faulk is the Top4 RHD the Wings desperately need. He also didn't have a good season but can turn it around.

Since Faulk is a hot commodity as a RHD, the plus could be too much from Detroit's perspective to pull the trigger. They have two second round picks in 2019 though.

29 Jun 2018 20:12:32
Good deal I like it.

29 Jun 2018 21:56:35
You're crazy.
Faulk could get much more than a prospect who has so far been a failure.

Faulk is a top 2 NHL right handed defenceman.

29 Jun 2018 22:23:41
Wtf lol Faulk can get more.

29 Jun 2018 22:32:36
What's with all the crazy over exaggerations lately.
Faulk a top 2 RHD in the NHL?
Karlsson, Doughty, Letang, Peitrangelo, Subban, Byfuglin, Carlson, Burns. Even Hamilton.

Faulk is not a top 2 RHD.

29 Jun 2018 23:04:57
Faulk is a good PP player probably 2nd line on a lot of teams. He’s a good 6th dman and he’ll probably be spending time in the press box for the Canes this year as he moved down the depth chart ( 3rd pairing but Ronald McKewoen is posed to take over. ) He’s terrible defensively, offensively he hasn’t been great as of recently and he’s to small to play physical. Because of his PP ability’s I’d say he’s worth a 2nd and Project Prospect like Micheal Del Colle. Probably the most overrated player in the NHL.

30 Jun 2018 02:59:57
@yup

You're mentioning elite defencemen. Not top 2 defencemen. You mentioned big named players.

Faulk excels in all areas of the game. The only reason he is not a big name player is because he doesn't score 50+ points. He's an excellent defenceman, just not a 50+ point producer.

Most teams have their ''star'' defenceman that play top 2. And most have that defenceman that IS a top 2 and plays well but isn't a #1 defender on a team (even though Faulk can easily be #1 on 50% of teams)

You have forgotten what ''TOP 2'' means. You're thinking it means elite. It doesn't.

If none of you guys have realized, VB doesn't know hockey values.
Faulk is a top 2 defender on 70% of teams. Saying William Nylander will score 20 points next year is more believable than saying Faulk will be a 6th d-man on a team. Never will happen. Roland McKeown is an AHL defender.

30 Jun 2018 04:15:55
Vb doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about ever lol.

30 Jun 2018 04:56:14
Well Faulk was like what last year? -30 far below team average he’s terrible defensively you can’t argue that. All he can do is quarter back a pp even then he still dosent produce much offensively. And above him on the Carolina depth chart on the right side is Pesce on the top pair and Hamilton on the 2nd pair. So he’s the 5th I guess anyways he’s on the 3rd pair and 2nd PP ( Hamilton on 1st )

McJesus you think Nuge is a top 3 selke Canidate And Lucic is worth a 1st and a top prospect you may be the most biased person on this site.

2707 Faulk wouldn’t be the top dman on ANY team not even Vancouver I’ll take a defensively safe Tanev over a 1 dimensional Faulk.

30 Jun 2018 18:40:52
Lol not once have I ever said those things about nuge or Lucic so pretty sad when you have to lie and make things up you’re such a moron lol please stop.

30 Jun 2018 19:16:00
Exaggerating about Lucic but the fact is you overrate him draistcly. you did say Nuge was a top 3 Selke canidate but the reality he’s a good 2c I’ll even take Kadri over him.

30 Jun 2018 20:08:52
what the hell hahaha you’re so lost I have never said that 😂 clearly you’re continuing to make this up or clearly mistaken me for another person bud.

30 Jun 2018 21:08:19
Either you or yup said something about Nuge being a top 3 Selke Canidate but regardless you are biased towards the oilers as am I towards Marner but I really find the valueation of Faulk scewed he hasn’t done anything special sense 3 or 4 years ago a change of scenery would be beneficial but he’s nothing more then a 2nd pairing Dman and 3rd pairing on the canes.

01 Jul 2018 05:18:39
You're mixing us both up with someone man.

 
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