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12 Nov 2017 17:06:13
Leafs: JVR

Vegas: Colin Miller

Why leafs do it: the leafs have obvious forward depth, especially on the wings waiting for a bigger role (kapanen, Leivo, soshnikov) . The chances of them bringing back JVR is very small beyond this year anyway. They can get a 25-26 year old solid RHD with a bomb of a shot for the PP that they haven’t had since maybe Bryan McCabe (phaneufs was a rocket but never hit the net) . They can extend him right away at a reasonable cap hit and have Rielly, Miller, Gardiner, Zaitsev, all between 23 and 27 and all for less than $18 mill.

Why vegas does it: Vegas has D depth that they have tried to move and make room on that crowded blue line. Getting JVR also gives them 3 options in March. They can resign Him to replace James Neal if they trade him, they can trade both for a huge boost to their prospect and draft pick pool or they can trade him for the type of package they were hoping to get for Neal if they wanted to keep Neal now that he’s kind of become the early fave of the organization and thriving in the role.

Not too long ago I was hoping for the moon in a JVR trade but I think it’s time to realize that leafs need a D that can play now, and most teams willing to pay a big price for a UFA scorer are giving picks.

12 Nov 2017 17:13:59
Honestly, pretty good. Maybe a 3rd/ 4th from Vegas, but even that may be pushing it.

However, i have a very strange gut feeling that JVR will resign with Toronto. Its not my idea, its just a weird feeling. I heard him say he's willing to take about the same money on a max deal. I don't want i, but I feel that it will happen, like 4.5 x 7 years or sumtin like that.

12 Nov 2017 17:46:00
I think teams like Edmonton, Carolina, or other teams that need scoring will pay more. I think the leafs want picks and prospects. I know leaf fans think they are going for a cup, I just think that's a bit premature. They are still a year or two away. The leafs have to win a playoff round first! They can probably get a similar defenseman in free agency.

12 Nov 2017 18:51:27
I think if jvr's demands are within the leafs budget, it would be a good move to resign him. but i agree with vancity if they do trade him it should be for draft picks.

12 Nov 2017 19:03:12
I would keep JVR in a heart beat if it’s a 4.5 cap hit. Reality is though that guys with less points (which isn’t everything, but it is what we judge a player like him on because he’s not great defensively) are getting 6mill.

Also I could have mentioned that Miller is in the right age range and had over 100 pts in 180ish OHL games for The greyhounds while leafs assistant GM Dubas was running that organization. It’s been reported that they have kept in touch too. I think leafs like this player enough to make the deal.

And VanCity, I’m not saying the leafs are ready to win the cup, I’m just saying they have accumulated a ton of young assets at all positions that they don’t have room for. I think a 25 year old NHL Dman is a good plan over 2 more draft picks to add to the log jam. And getting Colin Miller isn’t saying the work is done and we have to win today lol he’s not a Norris caliber Shea Weber at 32 years old on a huge contract, He’s a just a good improvement on what they have.

12 Nov 2017 23:09:37
The real log jam would be from adding another middling defenceman to the current roster imo, why not stock the shelves for four years from now? I just think unless its a deal for a doughty/ ekblad caliber RHD, the leafs should just let it be. i like carrick and i wouldn't take borgman out either.

13 Nov 2017 15:01:40
I get that he’s not a stud Dman but I also think if that guy isn’t available, there’s other ways to do it. Ideally you have a #1, 2,3,4, 5 and 6. That’s tough to do. But if you can have 6 ‘top 4’ defensemen, that’s the best way to be hard to play against without having doughty, Weber, Keith or ekblad etc. Roman Polak was never a top 4 and shown now he’s not a top 6 anymore. Rielly, gardiner, zaitsev, Miller, and then carrick, borgman, dermott, maybe the Russian kid that’s buddies with zaitsev that they’re signing is a top 4 guy right away like zaitsev was. I think that might be the way the leafs have to do it because #1 Dmen aren’t out there. How many have been traded in their prime in the last 10-15 years? Subban ans Weber, but they were traded for each other lol had to have one to get one.

13 Nov 2017 19:39:31
Makes no sense for either Team.
The Leafs have depth in the AHL and Draft Picks if they choose. Like Mangement said to make a Trade like that you weaken a spot to get better in another. If the Leafs make a Trade for a Top 4 DMan it will be something like. CCarrick, Kapanen, ANielsen and a Draft Pick not JVR.

15 Nov 2017 01:41:50
Why would you rather trade 4 young pieces that are controllable and can/ will be part of the future for the same thing you can get for one piece that has a very slim chance of being back anyway? Depth is an asset because you have options to fill a spot when A player like JVR leaves, why give that away?

04 Nov 2017 02:19:22
To Arizona
Mrazek
2018 4th

To Detroit
Raanta
Duclair

04 Nov 2017 02:55:37
Not bad.

01 Nov 2017 20:30:25
Det) Zetterberg + Tatar
Mtl) Patch + Byron + 2d

Zetterberg Drouin Galchenyuk
Tatar Danault Shaw
Lehkonen Hudon Gallagher
DLR Plekanec Mitchell

Mete Weber
Alzner Benn
Davidson Petry

Advantages: Detroit gets a lot of cap space and Patch has more value than either Tatar either Zetterberg (not more value than bot combined)
And Detroit becomes a quicker team with Byron and they also get draft picks to start a bit rebuildin

Montreal has more talent and they trade Pacioretty wicH is IMI a good thing

02 Nov 2017 03:08:36
zetterberg > patches
tatar > byron
2nd doesn't make up the difference.

02 Nov 2017 10:37:08
What Patch has way more value than Zetterberg. are you ****ing high.

30 Oct 2017 18:00:31
DET: Nyquist
EDM: RNH, 2nd

I don't cheer for either of these teams so i'm entirely sure of the value, but EDM needs scoring wingers and DET gets a young C and a 2nd.

30 Oct 2017 18:05:37
i think nyquist for rnh straight up is more fair since RNH is centre and is also like 4 years younger but Detroit need cap space so idk if this is going to work out.

30 Oct 2017 20:53:54
Well if they really do need cap space then guys like Green, Kronwall and Dekeyser, should be gone.

30 Oct 2017 22:34:13
No from Edm. They can make a trade for a winger without adding Nuge. If they want to trade Nuge for a winger it will be one better than Nyquist.

31 Oct 2017 04:26:44
This is not good for oil bruh.

21 Oct 2017 23:37:21
Detroit
Petr Mrazek

Arizona
3rd

Detroit
Jonathan Ericsson
5th

Toronto
Tyler Bozak

22 Oct 2017 05:58:21
Wtf Mrazek for 3 rd.

22 Oct 2017 09:43:29
bozak for a bottom pairing dman and a 5th? sure ill take that NOT.

22 Oct 2017 13:57:46
Ericsson has one of the worst contracts in the league. Hell no from Toronto.

21 Oct 2017 08:23:51
Time for my dream land wish list. 🙈🙈

Oilers. 20181st, Benson, Fayne.
Vegas. Neal.

Oilers. Prospect and pick. Not even sure. Ha ha ha. Roast me.
Wings. Green (%20 retained) .

Drai McDavid Moto
Lucic Nuge Neal
Maroon Strome Kassian
Drake Letestu Jokinen
Slepy

Klefbom Larsson
Sekera Russell
Nurse Green
Gryba Benning extra, rotate in while Sekera is out.

Yes, That line up is my semi realistic dream right now. Moto maybe sent down and Neal with Maroo and McDavid. Drai center own line with Lucic.

21 Oct 2017 18:51:14
Wow at least my drunk post is realistic!
It's not like those two guys won't be available.

21 Oct 2017 21:26:04
I think Benning + Khaira + 2nd may be good for Green.

Not like Benning is going to crack edmontons top four with Russell, Sekera, Klef and Larsson, and Khaira could be decent depth for Detroit. Plus the pick.

21 Oct 2017 23:30:55
Man green has 1 year on his contract oilers will not do that top shelf haha. It does tho need to be prospects, picks or cheap players tho since they have no cap space.

19 Oct 2017 15:10:52
To wings: hemsky+ McCarron

To mtl:Mike Green

19 Oct 2017 17:41:47
Washed up fourth liner and a possible career fourth liner for a dman who is his teams MVP at the moment? hell no from wings.

19 Oct 2017 17:50:11
Don't see how this helps wings. They're trying to get younger and faster. Hensley will just be a roster filler and McCaron is a big slow winger/ center who can still play in the nhl but not really ideal for today's game. Someone will offer s decent prospect and a pick for green later. Pieces that help wings a lot more.

20 Oct 2017 14:04:30
I doubt the wings do that one, they'll get a better return at the deadline.

18 Oct 2017 00:31:08
Mtl) Getting rid of shaw

Then

Mtl) Danault
Chi) Panik

Then

They get their hands on Zetterberg taking advantage of Detroit cap issues

Lineup
Patch Zetterberg Gallagher
Chucky Drouin Panik
Hudon Plek Lehkonen

18 Oct 2017 13:32:37
You have 'get rid of' and 'get their hands on' without saying what's leaving. No one is going to say it's believable when you lose a bad contract and get a good player with nothing leaving lol.

Tampa gets rid of Callahan and gets their hands on Duchene. problem solved, they're better now.

14 Oct 2017 02:54:26
To Washington
Green
2018 2nd

To Detroit
Eller (cap dump)
Bowey
2018 1st

14 Oct 2017 04:31:32
Woah! Way too much for Green.

13 Oct 2017 16:29:56
Mike Green is a pending UFA, has 8 pts in 4 games on a bad DET team. With DET in a rebuild and most likely going to lose Green at the end of the year they should move him now that he's hot, However he has quite a hefty contract at 6 mil.

OTT:
- Ceci
- Burrows (cap dump to somewhat even
out the cap and keep the amount of
contracts on each team the same)
- 4th* (turns into a 2nd if Green re-signs)
- 6th

DET: Green, AA

Sens are also interested in AA.

Green can temporarily replace Karlsson's Production until he comes back.

DET gets a young top 4 defenceman and picks

Claessen - Karlsson
Phaneuf - Green
Boroweicki - Wideman

15 Oct 2017 02:10:58
doesn't burrows only make like 2 mill a year?

15 Oct 2017 15:51:08
This season, ceci really stepped up. He already has 2 goals and couple of assists in 5 games. he's playing 25 min and playing really well so I wouldn't trade him.

13 Oct 2017 03:21:23
To Pittsburgh
Mrazek
Sheahan

To Detroit
Jarry
2018 2nd
2019 5th

12 Oct 2017 16:10:43
Hear that the Sens are interested in AA, so here's my play on it.

OTT: Ceci, Burrows, 3rd
DET: Nyquist, AA

Hoffman - Turris - Nyquist
Ryan - Brassard - Stone
AA - Pageau - Dzingel
Pyatt - Tompson - Smith

Claessen - Karlsson
Phaneuf - Chabot
Boroweicki - Wideman

Andy
Condon

12 Oct 2017 16:42:00
that gets one of em. not both.

12 Oct 2017 17:23:32
No from detroit, not enough value coming back for them, they would prefer picks/ prospects, but they're definetly not interested in Burrows.

12 Oct 2017 21:13:37
Terrible for Red Wings. As said above, that does not get you both those guys. Not even close.

12 Oct 2017 22:25:14
Okay i'm sorry, but if you think that Ceci doesn't get you AA, you're not smart.

18 Oct 2017 20:49:08
I'd have to agree this won't work for a couple reasons.

1 - not enough value to get both nyquist and aa

2 - ottawa likes what burrows brings

3 - to even it out you'd have to change burrows to dzingle and the ottawa 3rd would change to Detroit 3rd

4 - even then the cap hit kills the trade as ottawa only has 5.75 free space and still has to sign turris.

11 Oct 2017 22:28:03
Mtl) Patch + Petry
Tor) Liljegren

Then
Mtl) Plekanec + Byron
Det) Zetterberg

Mtl finish top 5 worst team and drafts Svechnikov (not the Redwings one)

Lineup 2018-2019

Chucky Drouin Lehkonen
Scherbak Zetterberg Svechnikov
Hudon McCarron Gallagher

Mete Weber
Alzner Liljegren
Sclemko Benn

Mtl is a lot better for the future :
Detroit will accept cus of their Cap situation
And Plek got only one year left
For the first trade add maybe good draft picks and how the hell could they refuse
Then when Zetterberg retires, Habs would trade for another good center or will draft one

11 Oct 2017 23:38:35
Wow. Delusion.

12 Oct 2017 00:29:25
What the hell did I just read.

12 Oct 2017 00:56:59
Ya leafs are going to give up the biggest sleeper in the draft for that package? Come on.

12 Oct 2017 01:58:33
The first one is overpayment and the secound is underpayment
Delusionnal.

12 Oct 2017 02:21:39
Hahahahaha Liljegren for pacioretty AND Petry. Hilarious.

12 Oct 2017 13:45:29
Value wise the first one is a lot to give up for the habs. But I would not want the leafs to do it. Not saying it's not enough, just saying leafs need a young cheap controllable D with big upside more than ANOTHER winger going to need a big raise in a year and an expensive D.

12 Oct 2017 13:47:49
What you offered for liljegren would be enough in another situation, but not nearly enough to change the blueprint and deal with the cap problems to follow. If leafs were a scoring forward away from legit contender, I could see it. When they can score 5 goals a game, Patches does nothing for them.

13 Oct 2017 22:56:13
And if zetterberg retires (possibly even at the end of this year) you're still paying for that contract until 2021, is that really a smart move? It cost detroit the 3rd overall pick to move datsyuk to arizona when he retired.

15 Oct 2017 00:50:07
Facelift. actually cap recapture penalty which is what that would be is on the team that signed the deal, not the team he's currently with. Much like the weber trade, if weber retires before age 41 it's Nashville still on the hook for millions in cap penalties, not the habs. Look it up.

16 Oct 2017 00:27:48
Really jim? Wasnt aware of that at all, thanks for the correction.

09 Oct 2017 01:59:54
To Carolina
AA
2018 2nd

To Detroit
Jake Bean

09 Oct 2017 05:36:12
Would have to come with a reasonable contract and if that was possible I think wings would keep him. He has shown he has a chance to be good but wants to be paid for it now. Any team will wanna see more before committing.

08 Oct 2017 05:11:40
To Detroit
Duchene

To Colorado
Sheahan
AA
Ericsson
2018 2nd

08 Oct 2017 06:00:11
Colorado won't touch this period.

AA is a great piece, the 2nd is good, Sheahan is ok, and Ericsson is awful.

Colorado needs Defense, Detroit needs Defense. There is no fit here. Both teams are trying to retool/ rebuild for the future and neither has the assets that the other team wants.

As a Wings fan, I would love Duchene but we don't have the pieces to get the conversation started and we likely won't like Sakic's asking price.

So no deal to be made here.

08 Oct 2017 19:45:19
Easy no from Colorado. If this was the asking price he wouldn't be an Ave right now.

29 Sep 2017 21:55:03
Oilers: Puljujarvi
Jackets: Anderson

Both right wings. Anderson more established. Puljujarvi cheaper and 4 years younger and great potential. Maybe Oilers add a 3rd or 4th.

29 Sep 2017 23:31:14
what. What?

29 Sep 2017 23:50:02
Are you kidding?

30 Sep 2017 00:48:04
Lol. Oilers wouldn't be adding.
They say no to this deal straight up at the moment. They aren't giving up on 19 year old own 4th overall draft pick.

30 Sep 2017 02:34:04
Pulj>>Anderson.

Pulj was projected to go #2 in 2016, but Laine rose and has become the superior player. However, Pulj is much better than a, more or less third line energy guy in Anderson - who has some goal scoring touch.

30 Sep 2017 03:44:22
No from Oilers. I have my questions about Puljujarvi too and I like Anderson, but this is bad for Edmonton.

30 Sep 2017 14:29:08
In other news, Jackets also trade Werenski to the Oilers for Gryba, because, well, Gryba is certainly more established.

30 Sep 2017 18:43:55
Hahahahah werenski for Gryba yes.

25 Sep 2017 23:45:27
MTL) Davidson
DET) Kronwall

Huge cap dump for Detroit but MB might ask some thing + to DET because that's a huge service but it fits perfectly for both teams

DET) Hugely important cap dump
MTL) They get a LHD that can play with Weber

26 Sep 2017 20:31:33
I'd rather just keep davidson.

27 Sep 2017 20:25:53
Montreals defense is already immobile. Why would they need another anchor?

13 Sep 2017 04:49:51
Edmonton:
James Neal LW
Colin Miller D
2nd 2020

Vegas:
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins C


Detroit:
3rd 2020
3rd 2019
Brayden McNabb D

Vegas:
Johan Franzen C
Riley Sheahan LW
1st 2018

13 Sep 2017 10:37:50
I think the Golden Knights loose both trades, especially the second one. In my opinion McNabb is the best Player in the trade. The first is at least the compensation for taking on Franzen, so it's basically McNabb + 2x3rds for Sheahan, which in my opinion is an overpayment.

13 Sep 2017 12:11:45
Edm don't need old Neal.

13 Sep 2017 22:49:05
Vegas won't be giving up picks.

14 Sep 2017 00:58:36
Doubtful the wings would be surrendering their 2018 first round pick as well.

14 Sep 2017 05:34:02
Honestly the Oilers trade has me really intrigued but don't know if the cap will work out.

14 Sep 2017 13:20:09
When Franzen doesn't hit their cap because of LTIR why are people obsessed with DET giving up a likely top 10 pick to move him?

12 Sep 2017 04:19:21
BOS-DET:

Bos: Niklas Kronwall [4 mil (750K ret) ], Petr Mrazek (4 mil)
Det: Matt Beleskey (3.8 mil), Anton Khudobin (1.20 mil), Jeremy Lauzon (748K), 2018 conditional* 3rd round pick

*If Bruins make playoffs it's a 3rd, if they win a series it's a 2nd and if they miss the playoffs it's a 4th.

Red Wings get a solid prospect and pick and get to part ways w a veteran in Kronwall so the young guys can come through. They also gain 3 mil in space they can use to sign AA.

Bruins get rid of a cap dump in Beleske. They get another top 6 d-man in Kronwall who couldn't use a place like Boston where he has less minutes and pressure than in Detroit. They also get an improvement in goal so Rask doesn't have to carry this team like he did in the first half last year when they couldn't score and the backups were awful.

12 Sep 2017 00:02:56
MTL) Darren Helm, Johan Franzen, 1st , 2d
DET) 2 Decent prospects

I feel like it could be 1st round cus MTL makes a huge service to Detroit if no one really wants to trade with them

12 Sep 2017 04:58:55
I don't think DET is giving up high picks essentially to dump Helm since Franzen just goes on IR. Helms deal isn't great but that first is top 10.

12 Sep 2017 05:32:28
No reason to believe wings will be better than 25th this year. Can't give up their first. Have to admit that their incredible run is over and build it back up the right way, starting with a top 5 pick this year.

 
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