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15 Feb 2018 17:54:01
LA fires the first shot in the California trade war..


Ducks Pacoretti

Habs Nick Ritchie, Sam Steele, 2018 2nd


Sharks Nash

NYR Hertl, 2018 1st, 2018 4th.



And to keep pace in the arms race....

Dallas Hoffman

Ottawa 2018 1st, Faksa, Vala


Florida 2018 3rd 2019 4th

Calgary Vrbada

15 Feb 2018 19:32:50
Seems like a lot for Nash.

15 Feb 2018 19:55:20
Lol nash ainy getting that return.

15 Feb 2018 20:29:03
Hoff.
Yes it is, but I think there will be a bidding war for his services pushing up the usual price tag for a UFA rental.

15 Feb 2018 20:37:22
No shot Steele is involved in the deal for ANA. He is their future down the middle.

15 Feb 2018 22:43:54
Wouldn’t hold my breath for that kinda return if I was a Habs fan. I personally think they’d be lucky to get steel straight up for Pacioretty IF ducks even had interest in him. Not s chance ducks give both steel and Richie AND a second. not a chance. GM would be unemployed if he made that trade.

15 Feb 2018 23:11:14
Seems like big overpayments for all the guys. I don't think Flames need Vrbata.

14 Feb 2018 08:01:05
STARS: Tanev, Vanek, goldobin, 3rd

CANUCKS: Honka, 1st

14 Feb 2018 10:15:30
Add in Heiskanen and it’s fair.

14 Feb 2018 12:53:02
Add in Heiskanen? You're kidding right?

14 Feb 2018 15:45:32
lolllllllll dream on.

14 Feb 2018 23:01:51
Although the original post is not a good proposal, Heiskanen would not be part of a trade for Tanev.

15 Feb 2018 17:12:32
Take out first at heiskanen.

08 Feb 2018 17:04:46
DAL: Hoffman
OTT: Gurianov, Dickinson, 1st Round.

09 Feb 2018 11:27:55
Ottawa say no way.

08 Feb 2018 16:56:58
N. Meloche + 3rd 2019 for E. Gudbranson

N. Zadorov + 1st 2018 + A. Greer for R. McDonagh

Colorado has a deadly defense in a couple years to pair with their budding offensive stars.
Vancouver gets a decent defense prospect and a decent pick for Gudbranson, probably one of the better packages they'll get offered.
Rangers get some great peices to retool. Zadorov is already a top 4 d man and Greer is showing top 9 potential. The pick is in a stacked draft. McDonagh is a borderline elite defenseman but I don't see them getting a much better package than this

08 Feb 2018 22:36:12
No from Colorado IMO.

05 Feb 2018 18:39:35
Not my word but analysts says that the asking price for Pacioretty is a A prospect, An Nhler, a 1st and a 2d

Mtl) Pacioretty + Plekanec (50% retained)
Dal) Gurianov + Faksa + 1st + 2d + Cap dump

Why for Mtl) Molson said it... time to priorize the future
Why for Dallas) Plekanec is ufa in July and even if he will have a 3mill cap hit, he would fit awesomely in the 4th line
Reuniting Patch and Radu is going to make Dallas offense the best in the league

05 Feb 2018 20:21:55
No body will give in to that asking price. This is classic ask high and settle a lot lower.
He will not bring back a 1st, 2nd, top prospect and good roster player.

06 Feb 2018 02:02:44
Man its not like Gurianov is a future elite and that 1st could almost be a secound with Patch and Plek bringing them to the top 5 in the league.

06 Feb 2018 04:09:03
Plekanec is teriable way would dallas want him?

06 Feb 2018 13:39:42
How is plekanec terrible?

24 Jan 2018 07:46:49
Canucks: Vanek
Islanders: dal colle

Canucks: gudbranson and chaput
Leafs 1st round pick

Canucks: Hutton
Penguins conditional pick if they win the cup canucks get a first if not canucks get a 2nd round pick

24 Jan 2018 11:24:04
I’d pass on all 3. quickly.

24 Jan 2018 13:31:14
Lol. All very very good for Vancouver and not good for the other team. Is this High247?

18 Jan 2018 02:26:23
NYI - TOR - ARI
(3 way)

NYI - Mitch Marner + Dylan Strome + Jake Gardiner + 2nd Round Pick (TOR)

TOR - Oliver Ekman-Larsson

ARI - John Tavares

Line Up (NYI)

A Lee - M Barzal - M Marner
J Bailey - D Strome - J Eberle
M Dal Colle - B Nelson - A Ladd
N Kulemin - C Cizikas - A Quine

18 Jan 2018 16:41:39
That is way too much for Tavares w/ o an extension.

18 Jan 2018 17:32:49
Toronto's capped out, can't take on OEL's contract at this time. They would have to ship out someone else with a higher salary for this to work. Perhaps Morgan Reilly instead of Gardiner.

W/ o Contract extension acquiring Tavares is of little use.

18 Jan 2018 18:21:05
Gardiner and marner make 5 mill. OEL makes 5.5. Plus marner still has ELC bonuses that he will hit. Leafs save money on the deal to be honest. And if that’s the biggest problem you see with this, that’s pretty good.

18 Jan 2018 18:26:15
I’m not saying it’s enough for anyone or it’s a good trade, but at least have a real reason why it’s not. Nikita zaitsev makes 4.5 mill and has been on the IR for 6 weeks. The cap space they have gained from that on a pro rated basis makes up the 500k between Gardiner/ marner and OEL on its own.

18 Jan 2018 18:58:07
Wouldn’t trade Marner straight up for OEL+Strome. 1.5 seasons of OEL isn’t worth much.

18 Jan 2018 19:26:43
Gardiner makes 4.05 ELC for Marner is about 890K-ish

When you are already over the cap, you can't take on even 500K more.

Whatever is saved on the IR. is probably gone for Austin Matthews 2.8M Performance bonus as well.

It's going to be a tight cap situation in T. O. Adding salary is not likely to happen no matter how much the fan base wishes for it.

Realistically w/ o considering cap situations, If I'm Arizona, the only way OEL goes to Toronto is if Reilly + comes back . Not Gartner.

18 Jan 2018 19:57:16
Thank you for the positive feedback Unbiased Jim. Its just a hypothetical trade. Seems very unlikely

18 Jan 2018 22:15:30
Pretty sure Tavares wouldn't want to go to the Coyotes. Also, this trade seems to make NYI much, much weaker no matter how good Barzal is or Marner. This may have more legs closer to the draft if Tavares is stalling on a contract.

15 Jan 2018 18:53:49
Ott: Ceci, Smith
NYI: Sorokin, Toews, Dal Colle

15 Jan 2018 19:09:03
Idk if Isles wanna give up Sorokin since their goaltending is such hot trash rn.

16 Jan 2018 06:56:20
i really like ceci but i'd think ottawa would take this and run.

09 Jan 2018 23:22:46
Tavares is rumored to be traded by deadline.

Ottawa players brassard Smith and Ceci all drawing legit interest from around the league.

Nyi: Tavares

Ott: brassard, Ceci, Smith, white

Isles get a top 6 center, top 4 young defenceman who's starting to look like he can reach the potential originally seen in him, an elite prospect center, and a big body physical guy who can play anywhere in the line up, rather than losing him to free agency for nothing.

Then ottawa trades burrows who has also been drawing league interest for a 3rd or 4th. and dumps Phaneuf for what ever they can get. then MacArthur retires.

Dzingle Tavares stone
Hoffman Duchene Ryan
Chlapic pageau pyatt
Dumont kelly Thompson

Karlsson oduya
Wideman Chabot
Claeson borowieski


Then aim for dahlin in the lottery or the back up plan of Brady tkechuck (if I even spelled that Right lol)

With the contracts dumped they should have more than enough money to resign stone EK and Tavares and have some left over for the future.


Keep in mind Tavares is getting traded anyway, meet York will want to remain competitive now rather than fall into a total rebuild, and considering what stars have gone for lately it's doubtful they'll get a better offer for him than this.

09 Jan 2018 23:32:52
I don't know what your hearing and that return is horrible 3 decling players and a decent prospect for Tavares a top 10 player in the league maybe top 5 right now no way.

10 Jan 2018 00:13:20
I definitely think they should dump smith but the Islanders might hold on to Tavares after all. Regardless I think this is not one of the situations where a team is looking for quantity, so the Senators would have to offer up something better than what they do in this hypothetical.

09 Jan 2018 23:39:08
You really think that's the best offer the Islanders would get for Tavares?

Laughable.

10 Jan 2018 00:29:49
Hahahaha like wtf tho no from Islanders this is terrible.

10 Jan 2018 00:58:19
Why would you loose the farm on JT when you can buy him in a couple years!

10 Jan 2018 01:13:49
Ya. no from Isles. Also. do you think that Chris Kelly still plays for the sens?

10 Jan 2018 02:40:40
That's not the farm and Tavares is free this summer buddy.

10 Jan 2018 05:17:51
I think a lot of people overate half a season of Tavares.

10 Jan 2018 06:16:51
Nylander again you prove to know nothing. Keep it up. Tavares is a franchise player (no Marner is not) and he’s a top 10 player in the world. Bruh.

10 Jan 2018 10:12:43
His contract is up at seasons end, he already made public he has no intentions of resigning a contract with new York, no team in their right mind is going to pay top dollar for a rental player sorry to tell you guys.

Ottawa has the guys that can be dumped and not cripple the team doing so.

And what declining players are you even talking about canucks?

Ceci - on the rise and getting better not on decline.

Brassard and smith - both as consistent as ever and also not near a decline.

White - elite level prospect with potential to reach top 6 or even top 3 center.

The most a rental usually gets is a roster player, a decent prospect, and a mid to late 1st. here they get a roster player in Smith an elite prospect in white a top 4 d in Ceci and a top 6 center in brassard so yeah I do think this is the best they could get for Tavares if he doesn't come fully signed.

Oh as for Ceci value here's a news flash, he was supposed to have been traded a couple years ago to Edmonton straight up for taylor hall but having to wait for approval from owner ultimately costed them as devils sweeper him up. considering he has improved since then I'd say his value went up too.

10 Jan 2018 11:23:14
Stop. Overating. Your. Players.

Its annoying buddy.

Ceci ain't on the rise. All Sens fans i see on Ig/ twitter are harping on him and the pairing of him/ Oduya. he's probabky a good number 4 dman, but nothing really more.

Brassaed and Smith ain't as consistent as ever. Brassard is an okay 2nd line centre or very good 3rd liner, but nothing more. he's nowhere near elite 'consistent status', and the downgrade frok tavares to him is huge. And Smith is merely a cup dump, don't play him up, he's 3 million for a 4th lime centre, similar to Marcus Kruger.

And White ain't an 'elite prospect'. he's a good prospect, a high end guy for sure, but i'd put him in the same boat as guys like Julian Gauthier or Sam Steel. Elite would be guys like Miro Heiskanen or others like that.

Basically, with the cap dump of Smith, that makes up from the addition of Ceci. This is basically Brassard + White for Tavares. No way NYI accepts. They'd be either trading JT for a boatload of picks/ prospects, or, for a star player in return.

Sorry i had to rant, but its getting frustarting seeing you overvalue Ottawa players despite everyoje saying their valeus are less than what you percieve em as.

10 Jan 2018 12:11:59
Rambo Cecis value has fallen off a cliff last couple years. He simply isn't that good. Also A) that was with Chia and he's an awful GM and B) Sens refused Drouin for Ceci and people were on board. So thank you. You think that's still where his value is? So glad we got Sergachev instead.

10 Jan 2018 17:48:54
I never said brassard or Smith were elite players topshelfslappers, I said they were consistent at their level which is a difference.

There is absolutely no way newly York gets Top dollar for a guy who remains unsigned, espessially one at Tavares level. no team will give more than that for him unless he's fully signed to a new contract, why would they take that chance of giving an all star package for a chance he signs with them as if he walks, they just gutted their team for nothing.

As for Smith and white, you're undervaluing white as he is for sure an elite prospect, why do you think Colorado was pursuing him and Chabot so heavily in Duchene garbage?
And Smith has been and still is one of the sens most sought after trade chips because he's a big body physical guy who can play any role on any line you need him to.
If you watch tsn and any of the sports shows let alone the game itself you'd already know this.

I'm not over valuing anyone I'm simply giving their actual value rather than the underrated values that seem to be perceived by people like you who think they know something but in reality know nothing.

10 Jan 2018 17:58:06
Like for instance I remember someone a while back saying Ceci wasn't worth a high 2nd round pick let alone a 1st, yet reality seemed to agreed with me in that a trade of Ceci straight up for Drouin was rejected by sens, and if not for ownership approved being needed first their was a deal made with Edmonton that would have seen Taylor hall for Ceci straight up.

Call me crazy but proposals of Ceci for a 1st look like a low ball offer compared to these 2 deals don't they? And Ceci has definitely gotten better since then espessially this season so his value has to have gone up or at the very least no way it's gone down.

10 Jan 2018 19:22:02
Cici has NOT gotten better in the last two seasons. He's gotten way worse. He had value two years ago because he then still was supposed to be pretty good, a lot better than he is now. He still had that thing called potential two years ago and that's what made him a little valuable. Two years later we know what the potential is. And it sure as rubbish isn't improved. Lol. That's hilarious.

And yes. You overvalue your Players drastically.

Zack Smith has 3G, 6A, 9P in 27 games and is a -15.
Career 155 points in 501 games played.
Making $3.25M a year for the next 3 seasons after this one WITH a modified NTC. He's nothing special man.
I really like the player, and would like him in my bottom six, but not for $3.25M for that production. He doesn't have much value with all things considered, production and salary and term.

10 Jan 2018 19:40:13
Cmon rambo.

this is the equivelant of bozak, komarov, carrick, kapanen and a 2nd for tavares. its so bad. stop being so biased towards sens players.

10 Jan 2018 20:13:57
Ok. Born and raised Sens fan from Ottawa here. First off with Duchene, Stone and Karlsson needing large contracts (7m, 7m, 12m) soon and 2 very ugly contracts on our books with Ryan, Phaneuf and another few smaller 2 year no trade contracts for players like Thompson and Burrows ( who is not going to get us a bag a pucks let alone a 3rd. ) we are in no position to take on Tavares nor would he likely wanna be here after this year.

I love that we got so close last year to making it to the stanley cup final but give your head a shake and come back down to earth. We gave away Methot for squat, lost wingels, Stalberg and macarthur as well.

Dorion and Melnyk are killing us. Gives away Karlssons partner and gives up Turris, First (protected if top 10) and a First rd'r (bowers) for Duchene.

realistically/ hopefully we trade away people who have value but are not essential like Hoffman, Smith and ceci and try to dump Phaneuf or Ryans contract somehow.

Brassard has value because he is am inexpensive centre on the books but because of that as well and the fact our owner is cheap he is likely not going anywhere.

10 Jan 2018 20:07:58
1) He has never said he has no intention of signing in New York, in fact the exact opposite. He keeps saying he wants to (whether that’s the truth or not is to be seen)

2) Tavares is not being overrated on half a season, has been a star in a shitty market for a long time.

3) Ottawa has a superstar player who I highly doubt is going to be there this time next year, and these players talk to each other. No other star is going to sign there if their own drafted and developed guy feels slighted there.

4) islanders might (especially if this is the return) keep JT for the playoff run the way they are going, and have a handshake deal (like yzerman and stamkos had) with him that if he wants to leave come July, he can negotiate his contract with any team he wants and they do a sign and trade through NYI.

This gives islanders a cpl assets, gives the other team the player they really want and gives Tavares a chance to get the 8th year in his contract he couldn’t otherwise get.

10 Jan 2018 22:14:10
As a sens fan from ottawa i agree 100% with frippers view, man that was well said.

12 Jan 2018 22:00:49
I never said Tavares is over rated he's elite no doubt that's not in question when it comes to his trade value. what is in question is his unsigned contract status which WILL bring down his value I don't care how elite a player he is.


Think of it from team management perspective. you offer your best player 3 different contract extensions with your club all of which he turns down without a sencond thought the biggest of which was 12.35 million per season, yes this was the latest offer, do you

A-keep him anyway and pray he changes his mind or let him walk away for nothing in free agency

Or

B-take an offer such as this one that keeps your team competitive now as well as gives you a big piece for the future

Most if not all gems will go with option b

Look at spezza deal when he was moved to Dallas. still in his prime and all he got was chaison a pick and paul and he was a point a game guy at the time too and he had a term contract.

13 Jan 2018 18:24:10
It's beyond me where you guys get your value ratings from.

Its like when it comes to the ottawa players only, you base their value solely on the players worst career seasons, ignoring every other thing it should be based on thus resulting in you low ball ratings of sens players value.

News flash guys, a players value, no matter what team they play for, is NOT defined by 1 bad season. it is defined by the players overall effectiveness, consistency, ability to affect the game, career totals, in some cases team needs, and Yes, like in Tavares case, term of contract.

One bad season doesn't affect their value what so ever!

06 Jan 2018 23:46:32
Dal: Spezza

CBJ: Johnson

07 Jan 2018 06:26:39
You a Dallas fan I guess
Cause that is just way off balance in favor of Dallas
. Radulov is the last player Dallas is ever going to steal from another team.

07 Jan 2018 15:30:01
Lol. How? How is it unfair. Is it because I didn't offer Benn, Seguin, Klingberg, Heiskinen, Honka, and 4 1st round picks for Pacioretty?

07 Jan 2018 18:05:27
Man u just offered a guy decreasing to a top 9 for a yo7nger top 4
Ik Johnson isn't that young but he's not 34 years old.

07 Jan 2018 20:17:14
And where do you come from with Pacioretty, ok talking about Radulo
Because he would have signed with Mtl if u didn't used your damn phone line
U got him for barely nothing
Dallas is the biggest joke in nhl history.

07 Jan 2018 23:02:14
Add Honka. Erik Johnson is underrated he’s a top 2 dman very safe too.

08 Jan 2018 02:36:57
Jack Johnson.

05 Jan 2018 02:11:31
Alright. Its starting to get to that time of year to start selling for my Sens.
__________________________________________
OTT: Brassard
CBJ: '18 1st

CBJ gets a top-6 Center who could even play behind PLD and be a good 3rd line Center.
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OTT: Smith
BOS: 3rd

BOS gets a good gritty 200ft LW. great on the PK. Can play anywhere in lineup.
__________________________________________
OTT: Oduya
WPG: 5th

WPG gets a veteran LHD who has loads of playoff experience and 2 Cup rings. Good for a cup run.
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OTT: Thompson
NJD: 4th

NJD get a defensive center to replace what they lost in Henrique (defensively), and a great PK and faceoff man. Good in playoffs.
__________________________________________
OTT: Burrows
DAL: 6th

Apparently there has been *some* interest in Burrows. which is absolutely dumbfounding, but ok.
__________________________________________

Buyout Dion's contract at the end of the season (1.65m for the next 6yrs)...

Not very fun trades, but small trades that would allow for our young players to get some time in the NHL.

*I am aware that Sens would have to take back some contracts*

Let me know what you guys think. kind of nothing trades, but still.

05 Jan 2018 07:40:30
Burrows is worth a 6th.
Can’t believe you guys traded a actually good prospect for him.

05 Jan 2018 16:14:50
Don’t think Brassard would won’t to go back to the jackets. But he dosent have an NMC so that dosent matter.

03 Jan 2018 10:41:53
Trade Deadline

Ott - brassard
Pit - matta, 3rd
(This one actually has been circulating)

Ott - Phaneuf
Any cup contending team looking for defence help - anything from a 3rd to future considerations

Ott - smith
Edm / Cal - 2nd 2018
(Also been circulating)

End of Playoffs to NHL Entry Draft

Ott - karlsson, Hoffman
Dal - Benn, klingberg
(Actually rumored that Dallas is after EK)

Ott - klingberg, Matta, batherson, 3rd 2019
Stl - pietrangelo, Thompson

Dal - lindell or faska or janmark, Hoffman
Stl - taresenko

Ott wins draft lottery and picks dahlin

Ott buys out Burrows
MacArthur retires

Free Agency

Ott signs Tavares

Benn Tavares Ryan
Brown Duchene Stone
Formenton Pageau Pyatt
White Thompson Thompson

Pietrangelo Dahlin
Ceci Chabot
Wideman Claeson

Scratches - Chlapic, Borowieski, Oduya.

03 Jan 2018 12:28:45
This is funny I laughed at the Taresanko trade and even more at the fact he’s not in the lineup.

03 Jan 2018 14:36:34
Do you actually have 2 Thompson’s on the roaster when this madness ends? Or is that a typo? And I hope the typo isn’t that the Thompson on the wing of the 4th line was supposed to be tarasenko, because he’s MIA haha.

03 Jan 2018 15:05:51
Lol your not getting Tavares or any of thesses player and your not winning the lottery
Dream on.

03 Jan 2018 15:51:41
This went from an Ottawa trade post to a random, and terrible, Dallas/ St Louis swap for one of the best players in the league. Like idk where the Dallas/ St Louis deal comes from.

And the Petro deal is bad for St Louis, and if I'm Dalla, I have Benn>Karlsson because of contract, and Kling>Hoffman.

03 Jan 2018 17:54:51
Ok chill, no one values benn over karlsson even considering his upcoming contract. that's ridiculous. Do you also value Benn over McDavid bcz of his contract too??

03 Jan 2018 19:06:39
CrazyAttaxk, McDavid has a gurranteed contract. Karlsson has a UFA status that he publically said he's willing to explore. that's what i mean by contract - not really sure where u pulled McDavid from.

03 Jan 2018 19:24:13
Hahaha. This is fantastic.

03 Jan 2018 20:37:20
Yeah the Karlsson to mcdavid isn’t what he’s talking about. You know what you’re going to be paying mcdavid for the next 9 years. Karlssons is one more year and then he’s going for big money and not a penny less than he’s worth. Being the best d man in the league, could be 13+ mill. I doubt it, but it could be and someone will probably pay it if he asks.

03 Jan 2018 21:39:43
Karlsson is also going to start his new 8 year deal when he is 29. And if he gets like $12M. got to ask yourself if you sill want that deal when he is 36/ 37 years old? Is it a gamble to still hope he is worth that much at that age still?
I'm on the fence about that. He could still be a $9M guy at that age, but $11/ 12M? I'm not sure. Good chance he is. Who knows that the cap goes up to the next number of years too. A lot? A little? Lot of unknowns.

03 Jan 2018 21:13:16
@CrazyA McDavid was already signed to a contract and is under control for another 8 1/ 2 years. Horrible comparison.

03 Jan 2018 21:23:27
Benn is not even karlsson equal let alone better even with contracts discussed hahaha that's a joke that you even think that.

Ottawa has just as much a shot at signing Tavares as anyone.

Ottawa is currently 3rd last in league meaning it is a lottery team giving it one of the best odds to win it and get dahlin whether you like it or not is irrelevant. Last year teams that got 2 of the top 3 picks were lower in the top 10 respectively, to say ottawa has no chance of getting it shows you don't follow hockey.

And nylander I didn't include taresenko in Ottawa's roster as he would be in Dallas not ottawa after this. try reading.

Unbiasedjim no you read right it's 2 Thompson's, the one acquired from stl and nate Thompson who currently plays 4th line center for the sens. taresenko not included as the trade involving him was with Dallas not ottawa. it's basically a few cap dumps plus a 3 way deal between Dallas st. louis and ottawa.

03 Jan 2018 21:37:50
Stl adds an offensive touch to defence and upgrades defence depth chart as right now pietrangelo is their only legit star on defence and after this they would have klinberg who may not be as good defencively as pietrangelo but still pretty good and adds a flare to puck movement and they also add matta who has been making a name for himself in pitsberg the last couple years and a possible lindell who is coming into his own in dallas this year and last by slightly
Downgrading 1 major winger to a guy in hoffman who won't hurt them plus a solid prospect in batherson whos stock has risen thanks to world juniors and a 3rd pick next year.

Ottawa makes a complete overhaul that should make them competitive again by dumping useless contracts moving star power for star power that better fits in bouchers system, banking on the draft and giving a star center who is bound to hit free agency a reason to believe they are ready to win now and convincing him to sign with them to be their franchise center with a group of guys around him that can make a difference.

Dallas reunites EK and methot, and brings together the Russian power houses taresenko and radulov to ignite what would be an insane offence.

03 Jan 2018 21:50:02
How is Petri deal bad for st. Louis? Lol

Klingberg cheaper, gap in defence skills favours Petro just as much as the gap in offence skills favours kling, on top of that they get a solid prospect in batherson who stock is up there after world juniors and a 3rd pick next year coupled with a solid top 4 defenceman in matta who carries far more value than any of st. lous current bottom 5 defenceman lol

This gives st. louis defence depth and future tools without taking much of a hit if one at all.

I get you think highly of Petro and it's understandable why but he's not so amazing that a deal like this couldn't pry him away. klingberg is great and right up there with him and Matta alone is enough to add to make this happen, the other 2 pieces sweeten the deal.

Taresenko deal I just added because seeing him in Dallas would be pretty cool but not necessary lol.

03 Jan 2018 23:25:59
New name. "AbsolutlyCluelessRambo" or "StunnedRambo.

04 Jan 2018 02:26:36
Ramboner head let's get something straight

Petroleum >>> Klinger

Edds, parayko, Dunn are all idividually better than matta,

Tarasenko will never be traded for scraps.

This post is just pure ridiculousness, beyond retarded. yes I said retarded.

No further comment needed blues fans say fu and good night lol.

04 Jan 2018 16:54:49
@NoRambo I don’t think this is plausible at all, but saying sens have as good of shot as any team to land Tavares is dead wrong. A team that refuses to spend to the cap for the last 13 years and who’s owner has publicly said he’s sick of losing money and going to start giving management even less money to spend on player salaries does not have the same chance to land the biggest fish in the UFA market as anyone lol a lot of teams spend to the cap every year and have ownership with a lot deeper pockets. This doesn’t come down to prospect pools and assets. Just pure hard cash and the owners willingness to part with it.

04 Jan 2018 23:35:08
LOL Ramboner head in your short time here you have succesfully made your self the Number one delusional fan on the site. Congrats.

05 Jan 2018 10:51:33
In what world is any of those bottom 5 better than matta reading? Get real. Matta >> than all 5 with parayko being the only one with legit argument. and last I checked klingberg is in Norris talks not Petro. while Petro is better in his end by a bit, klinger is better in opposing end but the same difference if not more. I could care less about taresko deal but it's hardly scraps when 2 of the 3 possible and Hoffman are 10 to 15 points less a season than taresenko gets.

05 Jan 2018 10:52:27
Jim seriously, sens are literally only 5.2 million from cap ceiling now. by shedding 3 to 4 contracts like phaneuf Smith brassard and burrows and having MacArthur retires they actually be saving money by signing Tavares and resigning karlsson. 3 of them make around 4 mil 1 makes 7 and on makes 2 how does that say they don't have a chance? And that's if they keep ryan.

05 Jan 2018 14:34:37
with out a doubt in the world parayko is better than matta. Joel Edmundson is compairable and I would rather have joels grit. Vince Dunn is looking amazing as a rookie handling big minutes. But i'm not going to debate that with you. Actually Petro is in the norris talks LOL and is by far the better defender. Points don't equal defense. doesn't matter what you say about the tarasenko trade, quantity doesn't equal quality. Nobody in that group has the shot, performance and pure scoring ability that tarasenko has, end of story.

05 Jan 2018 14:35:25
Like i said earlier Ramboner head you just don't know what yo speak of. Most ridiculous stuff around.

06 Jan 2018 05:02:57
I agree with redwing, rambonerhead is wayy off.

06 Jan 2018 07:20:23
Why is Clarke MacArthur going to retire? Sign his papers to screw himself out of millions of dollars to help the sens? Lol he got hurt doing his job for their team, he’s going to collect every penny they agreed to pay him like Marc savard, Chris pronger, Dave Bolland, Nathan Horton and every other guy in that situation did.

31 Dec 2017 21:12:33
3 Team trade

Mtl) Pacioretty + Alzner + Petry
Stl) Tompson or Thomas + Stasny
Dal) Honka + 1st + cap dump

Mtl) Tompson or Thomas + Honka + 1st + cap dump from Dallas
Stl) Pacioretty
Dal) Petry + Alzner + Stasny

01 Jan 2018 00:31:22
These are stupid bad. You are the biggest Homer worse than colt or finedt.

01 Jan 2018 23:53:00
No Kidding.

30 Dec 2017 20:33:32
Ott: Hoffman/ceci/brassard

Edm: hopkins/2018 1st

Ott: ryan/ karlsson/ condon / burrows

Dal: seguin/ benn/ bishop 2019 3rd



Ott: benn/ seguin

Ari: domi duclair 2018 1st

30 Dec 2017 23:47:17
Wow Benn=Karlsson

Ryan ( nagitive value ) Burrows And Condon= nothing.

31 Dec 2017 01:07:46
Holy wow. Rape the other team.
These are way too heavily in favor of Ottawa.
Where's the Phanuef for a teams 1st and top prospect?
Surprised you didn't propose Phanuef for Barzel or Boeser.

31 Dec 2017 01:40:26
Lol No.

31 Dec 2017 06:55:38
Why not do this;

Ottawa buys out Phaneuf, Burrows, Smith and MaCarthur
Then
Ott: Karlsson, Hoffman, Ceci, Condon

Ari: Ekman-Larsson, Domi, Duclair and 2018 ist

Then
Ott: Ryan, Anderson

Dal: Bishop, Faksa.

01 Jan 2018 11:34:30
Lmfao Ryan (consistent 60 point getter) is far from negative value and karlsson (generational) > Benn (elite) sorry to tell you but don't kid yourself.

Burrows = HEART guy that adds experience, leadership, and goes into corner battles with everything he has, while Condon is a solid back up goalie on any team. So again far from nothing.

What I don't agree with on this is
Why does ottawa bring bishop back without moving Andy? 2 huge contract goalies not a good thing.

And Seguin and benn >>>>> domi, duclaire, and a chance at the number 1 pick, maybe one of the 2 for that but definitely not both.

Take out bishop and Condon and fix the Arizona trade by saying Seguin and a 3rd from Dallas deal for duclaire domi and the 2018 1st (lottery pick, NOT a guarenteed number 1 overall even if they finish dead last)

02 Jan 2018 10:48:53
News flash karlsson >> Benn
Ryan = consistent 50 to 60 point guy or 0.65 ppg guy, definitely NOT negative value no matter how you look at him or his contract.

Only things here that don't make sense are why would ottawa want a 2nd big contract goalie, i'd take out the goalies in falls trade and up the 3rd to a 2nd or even possibly a 1st if Dallas finishes high enough in the standings to warrant that.

Also Seguin and benn is a huge over payment in the pho deal. I get that the pick is probably going to be a lotto pick but it's still not a guarantee though, so maybe change that one to

Seguin, batherson, and the pick from Dallas
For
Domi, duclaire, and the 1st

The rest is fine.

02 Jan 2018 10:56:19
Hawks not a bad idea but MacArthur is most likely going to retire anyway, Smith is likely an asset that can get a good trade return while burrows and Phaneuf could easily be picked up at deadline by a contender. might not get a lot for them but definitely something is better than nothing. even a couple later round draft picks like 4th 5th or 6th rounds. otherwise I actually like this post of yours.

03 Jan 2018 21:05:24
I'm confused, Ryan is consistently injured and has not touched 60 pts since 2011-2012. I'm a Sense fan, but this is over-valuing him, particularly given his ludicrous contract. That said, slot him into a 2nd-3rd line role for a cup contender and he may be worth it for another team.

06 Jan 2018 17:06:16
Bobby ryan has never hit 60 points since 2010-11 with anaheim, he only broke 50 points mark 2 out of the 5 years as a sen. somehow this makes ryan a "consistant" 60 point getter? So clueless rambo, or maybe you're just dumb and don't know what the word "consistant" means? Afterall, you can't spell it. there's no way in hell phaneuf could easily be picked up by a play off contender, that's such an uneducated comment. Phaneuf is ours to keep, we knew that when we traded for him.

19 Dec 2017 15:46:49
List of Tavares trades (franchise player gets fair value):
NYI trade
John Tavares
2018 2nd rd pick

DAL trade
John Klingberg
Miro Heiskenen
2018 1st
Conditional 2019 2nd (becomes a 2019 1st if DAL makes Cup Finals)
Conditional 2020 3rd (becomes a 2020 2nd if Tavares re-signs with Stars)
---------------
NYI trade
John Tavares

NSH trade
Roman Josi
Kevin Fiala
2018 1st
---------------
NYI trade
John Tavares

CBJ trade
Zach Werenski
Pierre-Luc Dubois
2018 1st
Conditional 2019 1st (becomes an official 1st rounder if Tavares re-signs with CBJ)
-----------------
NYI trade
John Tavares
2019 2nd

TOR trade
William Nylander
Timothy Liljgren
Kasperi Kapanen
2018 1st
2019 1st

19 Dec 2017 16:14:36
I don’t think anyone pays that price. Not saying he’s not worth it, just saying I think he has his plan of where he’s going to be next year, whether it’s in NY or not. No one will give away 4 great assets with one extra pick being the condition on signing. Ppl aren’t gutting their team for a rental which he essentially is. All those teams are playoff teams theoretically and they all get worse today and much worse down the road to add one guy for a playoff run?

19 Dec 2017 16:22:31
For .5 year of taverns laughable. He would need to resign trade and sign ect.

19 Dec 2017 17:04:40
Leafs easily send the worst package lol, why am I not surprised. Like the LEafs package would not even gt you Josi from the NSH package, let alone you adding Fiala and a 1st.

19 Dec 2017 19:26:46
Oiler rng yam and 1 rd pick and Ethan bear for Tavares. Chris tanev Hutton vanek. Several Puljujärvi,

19 Dec 2017 19:37:37
No way a rental lands even remotely close to the packages proposed in any of those trades.

19 Dec 2017 21:14:12
Lol leafs and cbj gives the most I but ever time give up to much.

19 Dec 2017 22:16:52
5 first rounders for a ufa leafs say no.

20 Dec 2017 21:53:11
Did you forget to add Mathews and Marner in that deal! LOL! Nobody with half a brain would make this deal.

17 Dec 2017 21:32:51
If karlsson were to have to be traded.

Ott:
Karlsson, Hoffman, brassard

Stl:
Pietrangelo, taresenko, sobotka

Then.

Ott:
Ryan, Paul

Col:
Landeskog


Landeskog Duchene taresenko
Smith Brown Stone
Sobotka pageau pyatt
Burrows Thompson dzingle

Chabot pietrangelo
Phaneuf Ceci
Any combo of
Wideman claeson borvievski harpur oduya

Stl downgrade taresenko to upgrade both pietrangelo and sobotka

Lol and put swap slightly over paid stars and ottawa sweetened the deal by adding Paul to get landeskog as he has had chemistry with Duchene in the past.

17 Dec 2017 23:29:14
To me Pietrangelo is the better and younger defence man Stl say son.

18 Dec 2017 00:03:56
Huge no from blues petro and tarasenko make together just a little more than what karlson will command in another year. Petro is signed at 6.5 for next 3 years and 5 years of tarasenko for 7.5.

No reason blues do this.

18 Dec 2017 00:10:24
I don't think STL even considers that.

18 Dec 2017 00:23:21
No from St. Louis.

18 Dec 2017 01:26:05
To the guy who said pietrangelo was better, where do you buy your drugs from?
Only 2 players in the world can be considered better than karlsson and their names are Connor mcdavid and Sidney Crosby. sorry to burst your bubble buddy.

The comment about cap hits has a solid argument but think of it this way, karlsson contract for pietrangelo contract both after karlsson resign = roughly 12.5 to 13 million vs 6.5 million. now think what jay boumeester will be leaving on the table when his contract is up, isn't his over played deal worth like 6.85 million. use the extra there to sign karlsson. then they save roughly 2.4 million on the Hoffman taresenko exchange but still get a top line winger at a cheaper rate. not quite sure what sobotka makes so I can't really compare that but brassard is still an upgrade on him.

Yup, any team that doesn't consider trading for karlsson if he were available should be in search of new management team. no way stl don't consider this. lol.

18 Dec 2017 03:27:23
There is a lot to consider when trading for a guy like Karlsson. yes. the money and term. however, he also changes he whole dynamic of your team. even as a Dman, he is one of the most talented offensive players in the game., so a team as a whole has to change somewhat to cater to the talent of a player like Karlsson. In the casè of the Blues. they have a really good thing going, and I don't think they need to change anything in the core or the style they play.

18 Dec 2017 03:32:30
NoBiasRambo you got to be one of the most bias here. Karlsson has the edge on best D in league convo but its not that clear cut. Will every team consider trading for him? Of course not. In fact more probably won't because they aren't planning to compete, don't wanna give up that much, or can't afford him than will. And if he does go the move has to make the acquiring team better. This doesn't make St Louis better difference between Tarasenko and Hoffman is bigger than Karlsson and Pietrangelo. Also Ryan has low to negative value with that contract adding Paul doesn't get you Landy.

18 Dec 2017 05:26:19
Rambo, come back to reality. Petro, is a superior dman on the defense side. Karlsson, is the superior offensive player. He is also like a -20 right now where petro is +12. As far as 13mil that's a huge no. They would have to gut their team they can't afford that. They have several people needing raises soon. Regardless of jbo''s contract coming off. Also tarasenko is amazing no way Hoffman holds a candle to him. This is an instant no go. You picked two of the four most important players on the blues and expect them for karlsson a 2nd liner and third liner lol your funny guy.

18 Dec 2017 05:30:16
Also Rambo

Petros contract 3 years 6.5 with his play is better than the difference in between karlsson and Petros offensive game. Like I said petro is better on defence side hardly gets hurt and isn't going to command 12 13 mil. Plus on top of all of that what if he decides he doesn't want to sign like shattenkirk. So do us all a favor and think about all the variables involved before coming here and making a bad prop.

18 Dec 2017 07:31:06
Very biased rambo

18 Dec 2017 13:39:54
Blues would say no. As said above, Karlsson is great, but so is Pietrangelo. Both should be in anyone’s top 6-7 D in the league if they have watched them play. And Hoffman is a good winger, but tarasenko is one of the best in the world. Gap there is huge. Plus Sosa is dead on with the team dynamic. Blues are built around tarasenko and Pietrangelo and their entire game runs through those 2 guys, seems to be working. Those guys are not replaceable parts in that machine. Karlsson changes all that.

18 Dec 2017 17:36:50
Jbs32 lady and Ryan have roughly equal value ryan may be coming off his worst regular season yet but in case you forgot landeskog is also coming off his worst season yet on an over payed contract as well. where does anyone get off saying landy worth that much more than ryan? And someone really needs to explain how outside an over payed contract and 1 bad season Ryan who is a 50 point guy on a regular basis or above 0.6points per game could possibly carry a negative value?

18 Dec 2017 17:44:50
While karlsson is have a bad season defensively you do realise he is coming off a crazy surgery that has affected his game so far right? And before this season karlsson defencive game is so much better than anyone gave him credit for right? Sure his give away count was high but that's a broken stat anyway as anything from a failed dump and chase, to a failed scrum in the corners, to a penalty kill clear attempt could be considered a giveaway on the scoreboard. his blocked shots, +/ -, takeaways, etc were all considered top 10 to top 5 in the league. saying there is that big of a gave between their defensive games just shows how ignorant you are to the game and specifically sens players in general.

18 Dec 2017 18:02:59
And as for Hoffman being a 2nd liner. go to the hospital and get them to see what's wrong with your head. the guy has a regular 0.71+ point per game average on a team with sub par offence. he's a 1st ling winger anywhere in the league guarenteed and sure there's a 0.2 ppg average difference between them but that's where the difference beween sobotka and brassard comes in and makes up for it.

The only other thing stated that makes any sense as to why this might not be good for stl is having to change style a bit to incorporate karlsson. but truth be told the positives out weigh the negatives long term. as their defense upgrades and sure they lose taresenko but they add depth to top 6 and still get a pure goal scorer with an insane set of hands that can bury it from anywhere. plus the 2 guys coming already have chemistry with karlsson on top of that so adjustment won't be tough for either of them. karlsson feeding Schwartz and schenn would be insane.

18 Dec 2017 18:13:41
I never at all said they wouldn't consider trading for Karlsson. I said they wouldn't consider this deal. They wouldn't consider giving up Petro AND Terasenko in the deal. Of course they would consider trading for Karlsson. But once Ottawa asks for Petro and Senko, they stop considering, that deal. You misunderstood what I said they wouldn't consider.

18 Dec 2017 23:09:54
Lol too funny!

18 Dec 2017 23:18:09
Rambo, its very clear people agree with me if Karlsoon is a 10 petro is a 9.5 not and guess what 3 years of 6.5 worth more than 1 year of that and then 13 mil. Also petri isn't injury prone not that karlesson is but he is. And after this last surgery he looks awful on defence. Petro is better defender. Blues get plenty off offence from swartz schenn terrasenko. Your trade offer us bad bro just except it.

19 Dec 2017 05:37:35
Its true redwing, he looks like a 29 year old playing with a bummed wheel. the other 30 teams aren't completely oblivious to that.

23 Dec 2017 00:59:00
I think that the main idea is that if the Sens trade EK65 it will take a team's (not a specific team) 1 of top 3 Forward + 1 of top 2 Dman or top goalie + 1st 2018 or 2019. All the sports stations are saying that EK65 is 1 of the top 5 players in the world so I guess a lot of teams will be making offers or at least look into it.

The Sens should rest EK65 until he gets better. He won't be injured forever . However the trade offer is bad. I wouldn't trade with STL. I would trade him to a team that wants him.

16 Dec 2017 17:06:34
Ottawa: Karlsson, Pageau

Dallas: Klingberg, Seguin, 2018 1st, 2018 2nd

16 Dec 2017 17:45:36
Seguin + 1st for Karlsson seems more fair than throwing in klingberg.

16 Dec 2017 19:27:03
Seems fair but I'd throw dzingle before I through pageau the rest is ok.

16 Dec 2017 20:23:45
Dzingel is a lot more solid than Pageau this season.

16 Dec 2017 20:25:04
If you were Dallas would you trade a top tier centerman and a first which will be a mid round pick. I know Karlson has a lot of value but I don’t think that Dallas has enough quality depth at center to justify trading their best forward away. Seems like a sideways move for Dallas. There’s also nobhusrentee that Karlson will resign with them.

16 Dec 2017 21:15:32
Karlsson has the value to command all of this and then some he is top 3 player in the world. I'd change pageau too though as he's one of the main proven playoff performers ottawa has.

16 Dec 2017 20:42:55
Thats the opposite... they got more centers on the team that wingers. Spezza, faksa, Hanzal, Janmark, Pitlick, Shore, Smith

17 Dec 2017 15:58:45
I think he meant ‘quality centres’. No one on that list has a chance to replace seguin. Spezzas the only guy that ever had seguin type upside and it’s long gone now. Dallas might get the best player in that trade but come out worse. They have Klingberg, Lindell, johns ans honka to move to puck if they don’t do this deal, but have no one to take seguins spot if they do this deal. Then they join 10 other teams looking for a #1 centre again.

14 Dec 2017 18:59:29
Eric Karlson and Bobby Ryan to Dallas

Tyler Seguin+ Nichushkin + Honka + 1st + 1st

15 Dec 2017 01:00:20
Seems a bit to much for Dallas to give up imo, karlsson for arguing is a start but not sure Dallas would want Ryan.

15 Dec 2017 01:01:27
That’s pretty good. move duchene to the wing with Hoffman and seguin and as long as nichushkin comes back to the nhl I’d rather have him instead of Ryan because of age and $$.

15 Dec 2017 01:01:43
Karlsson alone is worth more than that. Take phaneuf and sure

15 Dec 2017 02:03:46
I’d say No from Dallas. They’re giving up a ton, which they should for a guy like Karlsson. But they would not give up all that and take on Ryan’s contract. That cuts into the money they have to resign Karlsson.

15 Dec 2017 19:46:54
Unbiasedjim why is it that all your opinions on trades seem to always be biased against ottawa? It's a trend I've seemed to have noticed since joining this thing. If it slightly benefits ottawa or is dead even your always shooting it down but if it benefits the other team no matter how much you hype it up.
If anyone should have a problem with this deal it's ottawa not dallas who in my opinion needs to add more to get it done or change Ryan to Phaneuf.

13 Dec 2017 19:00:52
Ottawa - Karlsson

For

Dallas - Klingberg, Gurianov, rights to Nichushkin and a 2018 2nd round pick

13 Dec 2017 19:16:24
Bruh that’s not even close.

13 Dec 2017 19:49:34
We really talk about Eric Karlsson, that’s not even the half of his value, the minimum was to add Jamie Benn or Seguin!

13 Dec 2017 22:47:21
Karlsson is the best defenceman and top 3 player in the world next only to mcdavid and Crosby. to get him it will start with 2 elite players and at least 1 bad contract like Phaneuf going with him. this particular deal is laughable at best!

14 Dec 2017 19:41:12
Funny how different the responses are here and on the Leafs post above. Nylander and Marner too much, but Klingberg, Gurianov, Nichushkin and 2nd is not even close. Suuuuure.

13 Dec 2017 18:59:35
Ottawa needs to blowup their team.

OTT: Duschene
PIT: 1st Round 2018 or 2019 (depending on OTT/ COL pick being traded), 2nd Round 2018, Sprong

OTT: Hoffman
SJ: Meier, 2nd Round Pick 2018

OTT: Karlsson
DAL: Faska, Honka, Heiskanen, 1st Round Pick 2019

OTT: Ryan
LV: Leipsic

13 Dec 2017 19:17:57
Huge no from Pitt
Huge no from San Jose
Honestly I think Sens could get better
Huge no from Vegas.

13 Dec 2017 19:42:54
Lol. And this is just the beginning, these are already starting to be annoying. Poor Karlsson.

13 Dec 2017 19:50:53
Wayyy to much for Duchene
And nothing for Karlsson.

13 Dec 2017 22:23:55
Huh. No from Sens on all except the last one .

13 Dec 2017 22:51:55
All huge no from ottawa

They ain't trading Duchene for any less than what they gave up for him don't kid yourself

Karlsson is worth 20x that

Hoffman also worth 20x that

And Ryan is a better asset than that nobody from Vegas even with his contract.

15 Dec 2017 02:02:45
Ryan is a cap dump not an asset lol, that vegas trade would benefit ottawa greatly. ryan will be 31 before the end of year and will make 7.25m for the next four years with a NTC. vegas won't do it.

 
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