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16 Aug 2018 14:27:33
Columbus Trades
Panarin

Toronto Trades
Connor Brown
Rasanen (KHL)
1st Round Pick 2019
1st Round Pick 2020*
2nd Round Pick 2020

*Conditional Pick only if Panarin resigns with the Leafs.

As a one Season rental I believe getting a 3rd line 2 way winger in Brown, a good prospect in Rasanen, plus a 1st and 2nd Round Pick in 2019 and 2020 plus a possible extra 1st Round Pick in 2020 is plenty enough to get Panarin, I will probably get backlash again on here but really it's honestly fair and helps both Teams in the big picture.

Thoughts ?

16 Aug 2018 15:05:18
How does it help Columbus? They want to win. why would they give up a guy who scored a point per game for depth and future picks? They will keep Panarin unless they get a solid top-6 forward back, that will contribute to the team now. Which now of these do.

Pinball you get backlash because the trades you propose only make the Leafs better, not the other team. You’re not terrible at determining value, but you need to look at trades from the perspective of both teams.

16 Aug 2018 15:18:14
I guess I don’t see why you always post the same, or very similar proposals all the time. The leafs are not resigning any high end forward not named Matthews, Marner and Nylander. They should keep Brown unless he’s involved in a deal for a defenseman. If Toronto decides to add another scoring threat it will be for this year only. I’m guessing the right deal is not available for a defenseman right now. Please make some new proposals instead of looking for approval from people who are sick of the garbage. Then come back hours later tweaking the same stuff. You’ve been back for a week and it’s getting old already.

16 Aug 2018 15:19:11
ProDepth the problem the Jackets have with Panarin is he will probably walk as a UFA after this Season, if he is locked for even 2yrs than yes it's not enough to get a Top Forward like Panarin, but Columbus needs to move forward for the now and future, I am sure the Islanders are kicking themselves for not getting anything for Tavares and Columbus must have that at the back of there mind, will Columbus win the Cup this coming Season, probably not so keeping Panarin is a step backwards, I made this proposal because Panarin is a rental and in the end is probably going either to a Florida Team or Chicago as a UFA.

16 Aug 2018 15:19:36
Stopppppppp posting crap like this over and over and over and over again.

16 Aug 2018 15:55:29
Keeping Panarin helps them more then this deal does. If they keep Panarin and make a deep run in the playoffs (they had a 3-1 lead on The eventual cup winners; and their team is very young) then maybe Panarin considers resigning or they give the city a playoff run they’ve never experienced.

If they make this trade, the blue jackets become significantly worse (Panarin was a lot of their offence) and none of the pieces coming back will likely be difference makers, and Brown is the only asset that is a safe bet to contribute to the team.

There’s a reason people disagree with your proposals, stop trying to change everyone’s mind.

16 Aug 2018 16:14:42
Again, CLB will be able to get at least this much at the deadline if they decide to trade Panarin. So, they're better off just playing him until then and getting the same assets at the deadline rather than doing the Leafs a favour and sending him to Toronto now.

16 Aug 2018 16:35:13
On top of why would CBJ do it, and other teams would be in the bidding, every trade you make is stacking depth players on depth players.

Championship teams have familiar depth players playing important roles. Lars Eller, Jacob Vrana, even Alex Chiasson on the caps, and Bryan Rust and Carl haglins on the pens. No other team is going to value them as much as their own team. They are not going to fetch you a lot in a trade but they know the system, they know the style of game you want them to play and they can go up and down a lineup while not taking much cap space

Those are Brown, Hyman, Kapanen and Johnsson for us. You aren’t going to get panarin by trading them, but your team has a better chance of going deep or even winning with Matthews, marner, Nylander and those 4 than you do just adding panarin at the expense of your depth.

This one you only have giving up one of them, but I think this offer gets beat.

17 Aug 2018 09:52:02
Maybe try even more quantity instead of quality? lol.

18 Aug 2018 03:09:52
Just cause panarin probably doesn't want to signing clb doesn't mean they want to give him away for spare parts, they start at top 6 winger and go from there, not a bunch of futures, plus those 1st round picks would be late anyway so not sure things by any means.

14 Aug 2018 00:12:45
Columbus Trades
Panarin
3rd Round Pick 2019

Toronto Trades
Gardiner
Connor Brown
1st Round Pick 2019

Thoughts ?

14 Aug 2018 02:38:38
Columbus doesn't want or need Gardiner. It weakens the trade by including Gardiner.

They will want a Kapanen or Johnsson type prospect +.

14 Aug 2018 02:46:28
Let it go Pinball. Try and get Muzzin ect.

14 Aug 2018 05:20:17
I kinda disagree Columbus needs another puck mover on defence. I also think Gardiner gets a bad rap. He has warts in his game but he can advance the puck.

14 Aug 2018 12:57:17
I have gotten it's not enough for Panarin etc, so I added Gardiner and took out Rasanen and Joshua and still mostly get not good enough.
If Columbus is in a win now attitude how is this proposal not in this Trade, Gardiner got 52 points in 82 games last year which is a Top pairing defence with Seth Jones, Werenski and Ryan Murray drop down to give the Jackets a Top Defense in the NHL, Connor Brown isn't Panarin but is still a very good 2 way winger that fits in with what the Jackets have now, and swapping a 1st Rounder for a 3rd Rounder should be enough, yes the Leafs will have to go out and get a Faulk or Spurgeon but that's easier right now than getting a difference maker in Panarin.

14 Aug 2018 13:48:02
Pinball It's not always about value but needs Toronto doesn't need Panarin as of rn that is the big issue (at least IMO )
don't get me wrong he is a great player but Toronto has him in spades practically what toronto needs is rather vets that can help out in depth FWD roles or top-4 D.

15 Aug 2018 17:35:47
The only defenceman better than gardiner right now is Jones (one of the best in the league), werenski is going to better than gardiner i'm sure but you can't say that columbus can't use a 50 pt puck moving dman. having werenski+jones on the first line with gardiner+murray/ savard on the 2nd pair is an amazing top 4.
Connor brown makes almost ever top 9 in the league and is a really good two way player. and then there's the most likely late 1st. The team doesn't get much worse and gains a 1st

Thats a decent return for a pending ufa. ugh I don't like defending pinball.

16 Aug 2018 00:35:46
If Gardiner is a 50 point D man then Werenski is a 47 point D. Columbus doesn’t need Gardiner, yeah he’d be nice to have but I don’t think Columbus is desperate enough yet to have him as the main piece for Panarin. Werenski and Murray as there top 4 left D is solid they don’t need Gardiner or Murray playing 3rd pair.

13 Aug 2018 14:05:19
Columbus Trades
Panarin

Toronto Trades
Connor Brown
Rasanen (KHL)
Joshua (Big-10)
1st Round Pick 2019
1st Round Pick 2020*

*Columbus only gets that Pick if Panarin resigns with the Leafs.

Without Panarin the Jackets are actually still pretty good upfront, with these projected lines.

Jenner-Dubois-Atkinson
Foligno-Wennberg-Bjorkstrand
Milano-Nash-Brown
Duclair-Dubinsky-Anderson

If Columbus waits it out until the Deadline they won't get as much in a Trade.
Leafs are that close to truly being a Team that's almost unbeatable adding Panarin puts them there.

Thoughts ?

13 Aug 2018 15:07:19
Columbus is going to want more quality back. I feel like every trade you’ve ever posted is just quantity for quality. You have to give up something big to get something big, which Panarin is.

13 Aug 2018 16:06:38
even is clb accepts, which they wouldnt. the leafs can't afford to resign pana. god your clueless.

13 Aug 2018 16:46:01
If Columbus plays that game of wanting more they will get nothing, Skinner didn't even get Carolina a 1st Round Pick, Islanders played that game with Tavares and look what happened.
Connor Brown is an NHL Player a decent 2 way winger that's only 24yrs old, Rasanen and Joshua are Prospects that just might be NHL Players and any Team wants 1st Round Picks.
Panarin is only for this year and why not try and win this year, with Grundstrom and Engvall probably ready next year there are more coming including Bracco etc.
Columbus will Trade Panarin because of what happened with Tavares, if they try and wait out to get more than next July they will watch him walk and get nothing just like what happened with the Islanders, most on here truly believe Columbus has the upper hand they don't as every Team knows the reality that Columbus is not in a good position with Panarin.

13 Aug 2018 17:09:30
Not sure what's worse, your proposal or your justification. Columbus, if they trade Panarin are going to want players for present. Not futures. The are a vary competitive club that has serious playoff hopes.

13 Aug 2018 17:20:14
For this offer, Columbus would be better off just keeping Panarin and letting him walk for nothing at the end of the year if they don't want to trade him at the deadline.

Panarin will provide more value to the Jackets this year than your offer likely ever will.

13 Aug 2018 17:56:36
Quit worrying about Panarin, and try to figure out how to strengthen your D. if you need forwards, which ya dont. think gritty. Ya have enough finesse.

13 Aug 2018 18:49:37
As for the Defense on the Leafs I believe no trade has happened because they expect Liljegren to be on the Leafs this Season.
Babcock loves bringing in Young Players to teach them early
projected Defence Pairings.

Rielly-Hainsey
Gardiner-Zaitsev
Dermott-Liljegren/ Carrick

Liljegren and Carrick will share playing time next Season so the Season after when Hainsey isn't resigned the Right Side looks pretty strong with
Liljegren
Zaitsev
Carrick

Gardiner probably replaced by Borgman/ Rosen on the Left Side when Gardiner walks probably to Minnesota his hometown after this Season.
So yes I still believe that a Panarin type player would be a smart move for this year.
My Proposed Lineup if that Trade where to happen.

Johnsson-Tavares-Nylander
Panarin-Matthews-Hyman
Marleau-Kadri-Marner
Ennis-PLindholm-Kapanen

Does everyone now see how Panarin does fit in over Connor Brown?
As for not being Gritty enough the only player on the Caps you would call grit was Wilson and on Tampa Bay the best record last year in the NHL Stamkos had the most penalty mins.

13 Aug 2018 18:50:31
Pinball there’s not a chance on earth you could convince anyone that this is a good trade for Columbus lol.

13 Aug 2018 21:43:43
“Almost unbeatable”, that’s priceless. The “right side looks pretty strong with Liljegren, Zaitsev, Carrick. ” Please go back into hiding. You bring the rest of us down with your Rambo like garbage.

13 Aug 2018 21:50:49
Pinball. I'm not even saying ya need Grit. I don't beleive ya need any forwards, I beleive you have the 2nd best group next to Winnipeg. but, maybe a Gritty Veteran I anything, a depth guy maybe with some leadership. that's all. but ya don't need Panarin. sure ya want him. all teams would .
So. try and figure how Leafs could get a strong decent top 4 Dman. that's what this team needs.

13 Aug 2018 22:00:48
Wow that’s a ugly defense! Better home that offense scores 5 a game.

13 Aug 2018 22:01:44
I feel like Columbus will just use him for a playoff run then he’ll sign in like Florida or New Jersey ( a big market team with cap space ) .

13 Aug 2018 23:38:16
If you are a playoff team which Columbus is you aren’t loosing him for nothing you’re just not trading him for other assets. He is as valuable to the team in the playoffs or even more if they feel like they have a serious shot then whatever they get back in a trade.

14 Aug 2018 04:06:48
Ouf I don’t know if pinball is Hoffman for 5th overall or Ceci for 11th and 12th overall bad.

15 Aug 2018 12:15:35
I was somewhat on board with your explanation until you said ‘unbeatable’ lol it’s a 31 team league. No one is unbeatable. Playoffs, anything can happen and even regular season, 50+ wins is considered a good season and that still means you lost 32 times.

15 Aug 2018 12:34:14
I watched liljegren a lot last year. He looked great at times and very raw at others which is expected for a 19 year old playing pro hockey in North America for the first time. I would be very shocked if he’s on the leafs this year. Babcock liked having young guys in big roles 2 years ago when the expectations were extremely low. They’re expected to win now. He’s not going to have liljegren costing them games, and if he does make the team, his partner is not going to be dermott with his like 30 NHL games.

11 Aug 2018 18:38:43
Columbus is in win now mode. But Panarin doesn't want to sign there. So trade him to Montreal for Pacioretty, and say a 2nd and 3rd round pick. Then you trade a top 6 winger for another older top 6 winger. So still in win now mode plus,couple picks or prospects whatever was involved in rest of trade. Montreal gets a point a game player and sign him for 6 years at 9 mill

11 Aug 2018 19:08:34
Lol. Both players only have one year left. And the difference between the two is a whole ton more than just "say a 2nd". Wow.

11 Aug 2018 19:14:05
This will only work if both players agree to sign long term and even then I don’t think it fits in with the habs re-tool as that contract you mentioned for Panarin is to costly for Habs to I just don’t see Habs doing this.

11 Aug 2018 22:30:23
Tortorella doesn't want patchs on his teams and pretty sure patch won't resign Thérèse.

12 Aug 2018 15:31:08
You call panarin a top 6 winger? I can see it with patch but panarin you must be talking in the league right? )

09 Aug 2018 14:49:12
Columbus Trades
Panarin
Ryan Murray

Toronto Trades
Gardiner
Connor Brown
Rasanen (KHL)
1st Round Pick 2019

Thoughts ?

09 Aug 2018 16:01:43
Gonna need more from Leafs.

09 Aug 2018 16:03:51
And. Leafs don't need Panarin
. Leafs have great forwards. but weak. D and a mediocre Goalie. so go get that. not more forwards.

09 Aug 2018 16:26:07
I wish you never came back if that’s the first thing I’m going to see you post. Lol.

09 Aug 2018 16:38:32
No from CBJ. Gardiner and murray May wash out. I think Gardiner is better, murray is younger and I believe has more term.

But a lot of teams would offer far more than brown, a late 1st and a B prospect for panarin. None of those pieces will give Columbus a future game breaker. When trading a star, you need to be a confident that there’s at least a chance one of the pieces coming back will be a star too.

Don’t think Brown, Rasanen or a late 1st gives them that confidence. Liljegren or Sandin would have to be included, then add.

09 Aug 2018 17:09:06
Andersen is a Top 10 Goaltender not a mediocre one.
If the Jackets want Liljegren then you have to change Murray to Werenski.
Has everyone been asleep and not see what the market will be since the Skinner trade.
Yes Panarin is better but still no 1st Round Pick for Skinner and one prospect that might or might not ever make it in the NHL.
My proposal I have a proven NHLer in Brown a 1st Round Pick a prospect just like the Skinner deal plus like Panarin a Top 2 Defenceman on his last year before becoming a UFA.
In 3yrs most on here looked at every Leaf Player as garbage and in 3yrs look at the Team now.
Sorry everyone Gardiner and Brown are good NHL Players and giving a 1st Round Pick plus Rasanen is there value wise for Panarin and Murray.

09 Aug 2018 17:23:25
Panarin is on another level than skinner.

09 Aug 2018 17:24:10
And then you bring up Columbus also needs to add Werenski Hahahaha.

09 Aug 2018 17:30:11
Leafs don't need Panarin and wouldn't get him for this package. Would have to be a rental for the year because they couldn't afford him and their core.
I thought the trade was funny, but then you topped it when you said if Lilegren was included they had to upgrade to Wrenski.
Agreed, the Skinner trade did silence the market. We won't see another trade involving a sizable player for a while until that dies down is my guess.

09 Aug 2018 17:37:58
Panarin has the 4th most points 5v5 last 2 years in nhl, fair to say comparing him and skinner is pretty off. Would look great playing with Torontos players but definitely not what they need and no way they could resign him anyway. Really not a well thought suggestion and living in video game land or something.

08 Aug 2018 05:37:04
to Columbus
Compher

to Colorado
Dubinsky ($1.85M [? ] Retained

Dubinsky doesn't fit into Columbus' top 6 as a center (although he still can as a wing) whereas Colorado doesn't have a reliable second like center, as Soderberg is more of a 3rd liner and Compher isn't quite there either. The avs have the cap room to make this happen, although the retained salary would make it easier to sign those coming off their ELCs. Additionally, Columbus gets Dubinsky off the books to help try and keep Panarin, whereas Colorado is not in such a situation, for Rantanen should be easy to sign with the room remaining (especially with Varlamov likely either getting less money or leaving next season)

29 Jul 2018 11:42:05
Blue jackets trade: Panarin

Blues trade: Fabbri, 1st round pick 2019, 2nd round pick 2019, 4th round pick 2020

29 Jul 2018 21:48:11
All depends on Fabbri staying healthy, but if he does, this is a really good return for a guy that has Kinda made it clear he doesn’t want to be there after this year anyway.

30 Jul 2018 01:15:36
Yea could be other pieces added for sure but think of the blues lines.

Panarin oreilly tarasenko
Schwartz Schenn Perron
Maroon Bozak steen.

30 Jul 2018 15:00:45
I think CBJ could get better than this, but would have to be perfect situation. This is if they are 100% he isn’t staying and need to recoup some assets. Better to get a young player that’s more of a guarantee to be impactful and a pick because jackets are ready to compete too.

27 Jul 2018 19:28:11
Columbus Blue Jackets -
• Artemi Panarin (verbal agreement to resign with the coyotes)

Arizona Coyotes -
• Jakob Chychrun
• (2019) 2nd-Round Pick

Then arizona then takes on Parise's contract

Minnesota Wild -
• Zach Parise (cap dump)
• Jonas Brodin

Arizona Coyotes -
• Alex Goligoski
• (2019) 3rd-Round Pick
• Christian Fischer


Artemi Panarin - Derek Stepan - Richard Panik
Zach Parise - Clayton Keller - Michael Grabner
Brendan Perlini - Alex Galchenyuk - Vince Hinostroza
Dylan Strome - Brad Richardson - Christian Dvorak

Oliver Ekman-Larsson - Niklas Hjarlmarsson
Jonas Brodin - Jason Demers
Trevor Murphy - Kevin Connauton

27 Jul 2018 20:50:52
no way for Panarin trade! I'd say 1st and 2nd round plus that prospect.

27 Jul 2018 22:04:24
Arizona does not touch Parise ( 33 ) at 7.1 mil for 7 more seasons.

27 Jul 2018 23:19:03
Holy Christ no from Columbus.

28 Jul 2018 01:41:03
Don't think panarin wants to resign in zona, apparently he wants to go to a big market team for his girlfriends model career.

26 Jul 2018 21:48:22
Thought i would toss an idea out.
There was a post earlier about Panarin being traded to Toronto, but in the end - not really what Toronto is looking for.
What if you bring in Carolina? Panarin to Carolina, Caronina sends maybe Hanafin to Toronto and Columbus would receive Brown, Leivo, 2nd (toronto), 3rd (Car)...

Columbus gets a speedy young forward in brown, a depth forward (i think Leivo has good potential for a 3rd line) and a 1st and 3rd.
Toronto gets Hanafin on their blue line.
Carolina gets a great winger to help up front with the team. Carolina probably wants more...

Just a thought - dig in gents.

27 Jul 2018 00:38:25
Hanfin is on Calargry.

27 Jul 2018 01:13:35
Hannifin was traded to Calgary.
That's not enough from Toronto for him anyways.

27 Jul 2018 02:00:51
U do know hanifin is a flame now...

27 Jul 2018 02:20:36
Hanafin no longer plays for Carolina.

27 Jul 2018 02:40:11
Should we bring in Calgary as well then?

Turkey.

27 Jul 2018 02:49:20
Hanifin plays for the flames my dude

27 Jul 2018 03:02:52
the idea of trading brown and leivo and picks for hanafin is a good one, from leafs perspective. although i'd trade kap over brown, i like brown.

too bad hanafin is on the flames though.

27 Jul 2018 03:11:41
Hey Turkey . Hanafin has been traded to the Flames .

27 Jul 2018 03:22:28
Hanifin is on Calgary already bud but I’ll continue with the proposal and I’d say easy no from Carolina.

27 Jul 2018 03:37:53
Hanifin went to Calgary in the douggie Hamilton trade. Even if you switched him for some other defender (pesce/ slavin come to mind) I don't think brown Leivo 2nd 3rd would be enough because defenders are valued at a premium. Also Panarin doesn't want to to resign in Carolina.

27 Jul 2018 19:13:36
Lol, i shouldn't post after i have been drinking.
Anyways, base of the idea was to bring in a 3rd team that would have some defense to put into the mix to send to Toronto and have a need for Panarin on the front end.

27 Jul 2018 19:40:21
How we gunna work Calgary in to get hanifin.

28 Jul 2018 07:41:14
Even if CAR still had Hanifin, no way Brown and Leivo get Hanifin lol.

25 Jul 2018 07:25:30
How far of the possibility is this?

Tor: Nylander (rfa right now)

CLB: Panarin (UFA next year)

All signs point towards Nylander being worth 6-7 million a year and Panarin has said he wants to play for a bigger market so maybe he’d be willing to sign with the leafs next summer at a 7x7 deal. Columbus gets a younger player that has potential to play center and get 70+ points and Toronto gets a proven ppg winger that helps with the win now mentality as if think he’s the better player but not for as long as Nylander.

25 Jul 2018 15:32:38
If panarin was signing for Nylanders money then sure lol but I don’t see that happeneing at all and it would be dumb to trade 5 controllable years of Nylander to upgrade from a 65, Maybe 70 pt winger to an 75-85 pt winger for 1 season.

25 Jul 2018 16:35:57
If it was a sign and trade Columbus would need to add a piece like Ryan Murray because Nylander is 5 years younger and will probably be better then Panairan in the future but the reality is the leafs can’t afford him he’ll sign for Benn money on the open Market.

25 Jul 2018 17:51:07
Panarin getting minimum 8.5mil for his contract imo.

25 Jul 2018 18:30:23
Mcjesus is dead on. If ehlers is 6 mill + and kucherov is 9.5, panarin has to be able to get 8-8.5. Only thing that hurts him a bit is pasta signing long term at 6.6 is a comparable a team will try to use for sure.

25 Jul 2018 23:19:54
Toronto would have to add for that trade to work.

25 Jul 2018 01:01:49
Per Eliot Friedman the Leafs and Sharks are interested in Antemi Paniran as a rental. The price Per Eliot is thought to be ( A 1st +a B PROSPECT) I feel like it'll be more then that but not much

Assumption- this is a deadline deal where his value is at an all time low. He makes it clear he wants to test FA and won't sign in Columbus.

Comparison- Evander Kane and Marian Hossa 2009.

Columbus: Paniran And 3rd 2019

San Jose: Kevin Leblanc and 1st 2019

Clb: gets rid of a great player that is unwilling to stay long term. They pick up a promising prospect in Leblanc who's basically a guaranteed 2nd liner atleast and a 1st

SJ- gets a player who can be there best player offensively and they have the room to resign.

Columbus- Paniran and Ryan Murray

Toronto- Jake Gardiner, Connor Brown, and 1st 2019

Clb- Gardiner would be able to play on their top PP and would be an upgrade over Murray. Brown provides top 9 depth and a strong PKer. The 1st is useally a essential when trading for a top tier rental.

Toronto- 100% won't resign Paniran so he'd help the playoff push but Murray could be a long term solution for the 2nd pairing.

25 Jul 2018 04:44:40
Uh so the San Jose trade is terrible for Columbus. Easy no imo. As for the Toronto trade i can’t see Columbus also including Murray, especially since I know you think he’s a stud dman lol.
So I think Columbus could get better offers.

25 Jul 2018 04:53:28
SAN Jose doesn’t have a 2019 first it’ll have to be a 2020 first and Columbus i don’t think would want to wait for a 2020 pick as they have a squad that could compete now so it’ll require a roster player or prospects that’s ready to make the jump.

25 Jul 2018 05:26:49
Honestly if this is a deadline deal with the assumption you mentioned I take this as a Jackets fan. But I would add that if we are competing for a division spot or are even in a playoff spot, I think we self-rent Panarin to ourselves. This is the best team in franchise history and there is pressure for playoff success after losing to the champs in the first round two straight years.

25 Jul 2018 05:47:36
Good point Spencmence. Also you’re right A099 my apologies. Also I’ve never said Murray’s a stud McJesus I’m not to sure other teams would offer more but you could be right.

25 Jul 2018 11:19:20
No, He suggested that the Leafs could or should be interested in Panarin, not that they are interested and looking into him right now. There's a huge difference. You have to rest to understand then respond not just read to respond. There's a big difference.
And it would be a pure one year rental if they did go after him. If they have the space, why not! Go for it for one, year all out.
But your proposed trade for Panarin and Murray is not enough for CLB. Lol. There would be better offers.

25 Jul 2018 13:04:53
Gardiner is the best piece going back to CBJ from the leafs at the deadline butbhe is a IFA too. Makes no sense, especially including Murray. The best piece coming back only replaces murray who was a throw in, and as of July they have a late first and a bottom 6 player for panarin and Murray? Lol.

25 Jul 2018 15:29:41
I would love to see a line up of:

Panarin - Matthews - Nylander
Marleau - Tavares - Marner
Hyman - Kadri - Kapanen
Who - F’ing - cares

Lol but panarin is 100% a luxury. Top 6 scoring is the last thing we NEED to add and if it comes at the expense of Defense it’s a backwards step. The offer above isn’t near enough, and it’s not worth the leafs paying proper value for what we don’t need.

25 Jul 2018 16:38:11
We’ll see what he gets but UFAs never bring back much. I actually think they get less then that.

25 Jul 2018 17:53:14
I think If you don’t include Murray in the trade and include Kapanen instead of brown it’s a decent offer for Panarin.

17 Jul 2018 20:26:28
If Trouba doesn't sign long term in WPG.

WPG: Trouba
TOR: Rielly

Or

WPG: Trouba, Perreault
CLB: Jones

Or

WPG: Trouba
DET: Zadina

17 Jul 2018 21:14:21
I don't really seeing any of those 3 teams parting with any of the proposed players for Trouba. especially Columbus .

17 Jul 2018 22:31:21
Ohh my god not even close for Jones. Schifele for Jones is fair.

18 Jul 2018 00:45:06
Wow. Tor, CLB, Det laugh at you. Especially CLB.

18 Jul 2018 01:28:52
None of these trades really improve either team as they give up a good player to get a good player which is addition by subtraction.

18 Jul 2018 02:38:58
islandjet, what? The Jets improve with every trade and are clear winners in them too.
The Jets upgrade big time in the CLB trade. Improve overall in the Tor trade trading from a position of strength (RHD) for a LHD. And Zadina I would honestly say has more value and upside to Trouba even tho he's a winger he has great great potential. If you want Zadina it's going to cost Trouba + IMO.

CLB laughs at Winnipeg if they offered that for Jones.

18 Jul 2018 12:58:20
Trading Rielly for Trouba just pushes our weak side to left instead of right without actually getting better. Add in the fact that trouba is a hard negotiation and apparently looking for $8mlll and Rielly is locked up for $5 mill and it’s a very very easy no.

18 Jul 2018 13:59:29
For the Toronto trade the Jets would rather keep their top pairing shut down D.

I doubt CLB would want Perreault as an add.

For Zadina, the Jets don't need wingers, so he would be an add not the main piece.

18 Jul 2018 14:19:30
Wow. Jets fans here are delusional.

18 Jul 2018 14:25:40
“Zadina would be an add”

Did I just hear that right? Zadina was consensus top3 pick, just MTL, OTT and ARZ are dumb. He’s not an addin. Trouba doesn’t get you him.

And Trouba doesn’t get Mo either. Rielly has outperformed Trouba too.

And CBJ laughs at you.

18 Jul 2018 14:25:59
Count on Marcus to make 3 trades that favour the jets look like the jets are doing teams a favour lol

Jets are going to have a bad cap problem, worse than the leafs. They have more depth of RHD and want LHD and yet trading a good RHD for a good LHD of the same age making $5 mill ($2-3 mill less than trouba demands) is somehow a negative?! Lol okay man, you’re right!

18 Jul 2018 16:33:15
Jim, you are correct that the Jets would be doing the other teams a favour in two of the trades.

I know fans have a fascination with shiny, new toys, but NHL GM's think realistically, so one magic bean is not going to land a top pairing D man, especially when that bean is a winger that the team has no need of.

Leaf fans are on here constantly begging for Trouba, because of their poor defense. Reilly is a rover with little defensive ability, so you are correct TO would have to add to him to get Trouba as we already have a better rover.

So, you can whine all you want but you know without doubt Trouba would be the Leafs #1 D man by a good margin.

18 Jul 2018 17:28:01
Okay lol I would trade Rielly straight up for Trouba. He has indicated he doesn’t want to be in a Canadian market before, he’s been a contract hold out before and his arbitration filing asked for $7 mill. Rielly likes Toronto, actually thrives with the pressure and attention that comes with it, is great with media and is as good of player as Trouba who is signed for $5mill. Easily more valuable.

18 Jul 2018 17:54:14
Wouldn’t trade*.

18 Jul 2018 18:15:20
Of course you wouldn't trade Reilly straight up for Trouba because you know the Jets would not accept the downgrade without compensation. So, it would be pointless to try. Reilly demonstrated in the playoffs that playing above a #3D is a stretch for him.

18 Jul 2018 19:53:00
Lmao such a Jets homer. Wow.

18 Jul 2018 21:11:41
Tor does not laugh. Trouba is better all around than Rielly.

18 Jul 2018 22:00:07
He knows he’s out to lunch on this. Just in to deep to admit it lol Anyone that has watched Rielly and Trouba play will tell you that they’re both really good players, but neither are real game breakers yet that separate themselves from each others company. So then look at age: they’re the same. So then what else weighs into a players trade value? contract status. And that goes to Rielly by a mile (4x5mill) vs free agent and looking for $7-8 mill depending on term.

18 Jul 2018 22:38:56
Reilly is good but way over-hyped by the Toronto Media Monster. He would be a fantastic #2 left shot d-man but he isn't a shut down defender as he plays soft and still makes too many mistakes. Trouba always plays against the other teams #1 line and penalty kill. He isn't perfect but is a young, physical, very good right shot d-man.

19 Jul 2018 02:37:21
I'd rather have Rielly over Trouba. Trouba being overvalued by WPG fans here heavily. Also he has trouble staying healthy.

20 Jul 2018 15:01:28
I think leafs would be interested in Trouba but trading Rielly just opens another hole. Then Gardner is your number 1ld.

Maybe something like a package with garner could do it. Dermott could move up or Hainsey is naturally a ld.

Gardner pickard/ sparks and 3rd

Trouba


Win can use a ld and garner put up 50 points last year hast some value. The goalie is just organizational depth.

15 Jul 2018 00:27:55
Three-way trade, not necessary but might speed things up.
Chicago fans want Panarin back and it seems that maybe he wants to go back.

Pacioretty is not been offered an extension by the Habs and is on the trading block.

Chicago --> Panarin, 3rd round pick 2019(From Blue Jackets)

CBJ --> Pacioretty, Nicolas Beaudin (From Chicago) and 1st round pick (From Chicago)

MTL --> Liam Foudy, 2nd (2020) and 4th round pick (2019) (from Blue Jackets)

Look, If you guys might tell what you would change, I'd appreciate it! For me, I think it looks good, I'm no GM but I want respectful and constructive comments! Thanks

15 Jul 2018 03:55:55
Overall not terrible. Although, Columbus easily gets the best return, I think montreal would want something a lil bit more (say a more proven prospect than foody).

15 Jul 2018 04:53:49
Habs need more of a return on Pacioretty.

17 Jul 2018 01:06:24
if chicago doesn't bounce back and have a kick ass season like their old form i can see them being bottom 15 again, with chance at lottery pick, i don't know about potential top 10 draft pick for panarin, unless we put lottery protection on the pick.

13 Jul 2018 21:08:44
columbus - Panarin
edmonton lucic, puljujarvi and a 3rd round pick in 2018/2019 draft

14 Jul 2018 01:00:31
That would be very nice of Columbus to do that for the Oilers wouldn’t it?

14 Jul 2018 08:04:40
You take one of cbjs best players and they take a cap dump, an underwhelming prospect and a 3rd.

12 Jul 2018 11:56:59
Wondering if this makes sense for both teams.
Now I’m not familiar with Columbus’ Cap so maybe this won’t be able to work, but anyways I wanted to go off positional needs:

Oil: Nuge + Klefbom + 4th

Jackets: Panarin + Murray

Oilers get top end right hand shot winger to play with Mcdavid and a downgrade on defense.
Blue jackets get their potential top line center (or 2nd line if they leave Dubois 1st) who can also play wing now. Get an upgrade on defense.

12 Jul 2018 13:25:43
oilers need to improve their defense, why would they downgrade?

12 Jul 2018 13:34:29
Paniran is way better then Nuge. IMO Murray is better then Klefbom and Regardless that’d be a redundant swap for Columbus and a 4th. no way Columbus touches that. Yes Paniran is a pending UFA but Nuge won’t be the piece he’s traded for and on top of that you want Murray? Take out Murray and Klefbom and it’s a fairer trade.

12 Jul 2018 14:01:53
I think klefbom is an upgrade on murray, but not nearly enough to offset panarin to RNH. A 4th just doesn’t cut it. Make the 4th a 1st or keep it as the 4th and add in a good prospect. But don’t see CBJ taking this as it is. There would be better offers for sure.

12 Jul 2018 14:33:13
Really? I don’t see the upgrade there Jim at almost every world event Murray looks like a stud maybe he needs a change of scenery I’d give Gardiner for him.

12 Jul 2018 14:51:45
I’d call them pretty even, but give klefbom the edge in my opinion. Wouldn’t know all the numbers to argue against someone who says the opposite though. Regardless, no matter which way you too the scales on the klefbom/ murray part, it doesn’t come close to offsetting panarin for nuge.

12 Jul 2018 16:36:34
Edm wouldn't give up that for one year of panarin , would be great to see with McDavid but if he doesn't wanna stay in Columbus, why would he wanna sign in EDM?

12 Jul 2018 16:54:43
I like it but do think the 4th would have to be at least a 2nd or a 4th and a 3rd yo gwg the ball rolling.

And don't mind vbbvbb, he has no idea how to just talent or trade value. klefbom > Murray anyday though I do agree that panarin is better than nuge and would make a great side piece for McDavid lol.

12 Jul 2018 18:48:27
Yah don’t mind the guy who thinks Murray>Klefbom but mind the guy who believes Hoffman>5th overall? You’re dilusional in my opinion i like Murray more then Klefbom they’re close in value but Murray’s stats are deiciving he’s better then the stats show offensively and he’s better then Klefbom defensively. Klefbom is probably better offensively but he’s also the guy in Edmonton where as Murray is on the 3rd pairing in Columbus. ( the role the bottom 4 lines )

13 Jul 2018 00:00:04
I believe I said Hoffman is = to a top 5 to 10 pic, not greater than a top 5, and I still stand by that as those deals were absolute jokes. perhaps school wasn't kind enough to teach you how to read huh vbbvbb?

Come to think of it your handle is vbbvbb, guess you can't pronounce a real name either. what is a vbbvbb anyway a vroom big bad vroom badda bing? Lmfao.

13 Jul 2018 01:47:08
Rambone, You can't stand by something that's been proven completely wrong and just call it a joke and still think you're right and we're wrong. That's not how that works.

13 Jul 2018 11:05:49
Rambo prefers to live in his delusional fantasy world where his poorly thought out and biased proposals represent fair value, and his mom's basement is actually a 3,000 sq. ft. luxury penthouse.

13 Jul 2018 11:30:33
‘Those deals were complete jokes’

Well, they were made, and the entirety of this site was close i'm evaluation of Hoff than you were.

13 Jul 2018 13:00:03
All I’m going to say here is Murray isn’t that close to Klefbom. Klefbom is for sure an upgrade when he’s healthy.

13 Jul 2018 13:16:22
Murray is a third pairing dman (or used as one) and Klef a 2/ 3 dman. not sure how they're close. I don't think they have close to the same value.

13 Jul 2018 13:28:47
I’m sure hoffman wasn’t exclusively shopped to San Jose. Dorian would have called just about everyone about hoffman and that’s what he got. I’d say that’s the best way to determine true value. Half the league who had a need for a scoring winger determined he wasn’t worth more than that. That’s what I will take as fair value over what one guy who also thinks Craig Anderson is the answer to other teams goalie problems believes lol and believes they won the Duchene trade, and believes they have all the leverage with Karlsson lol.

13 Jul 2018 15:44:42
@Rambone they may be the goofiest thing I’ve ever read.

13 Jul 2018 22:29:44
It wasn't proven wrong yup. put that situation a trade in the hands of a competant gm instead of goofball Dorian and I guarentee a better trade is made. if brian Murray were still around for instance. the guy may not have made many trades but the ones he did make were always respectable at the time of the trades.

He turned rundblad into turris

He turned a 2nd into bishop then into a 4yh plus conacher who at the time was looking like he could be a future stud in the league

He also move the unmovable spezza contract and actually got what was a decent haul for it as a draft pick, a solid prospect in paul at the time and a guy in chiasson who along with nuchishkin in dallas were breaking out nicely at the time, not bad for a 1 dimensional 8 million contract with lots of term left

I could keep going but you should get the point by now. and actually players like chiason and conacher are exactly why players like point and sergachev aren't as highly valued as you may think they are and also why a guy like Karlsson is more than enough to land both plus a 1st. you can't predict that they will find a season like that again but you can with Karlsson as he's been high level for years now.

14 Jul 2018 11:38:44
Did you seriously just cite Chiason and Concacher as a comparable for Point and Servachev?

You're spare parts bud.

11 Jul 2018 21:20:26
Washington: Tom Wilson/Andre Burakovsky, Lucus Johanson and 1st 2019

Columbus: Antrimi Paniran

* Capitals have over 8 million in cap space with only Wilson to sign

Washington- gets the best player in the deal and one of the most skilled players in the nhl. Would be ridiculous on the 2nd line. Could finally break out and become Washington's highest producing player.

Columbus: Wilson is one of the best in the NHL at what he does ( torts would love him ) and Bura is a young player on the uprise. They also get 2 1st round picks.

Top 9 for caps-
Ovie-Backstrom-Vrana
Paniran-Kuz-Oshie
Bura-Eller-Smith Pelly

12 Jul 2018 05:18:08
1) the value of wilson and burakovsky are way different
2) if you want to suggest a trade you should be able to spell the guy's name. Panarin*.

12 Jul 2018 13:06:19
Good work, vb. Is this offer for an extended Paniran or not?

12 Jul 2018 13:35:36
No it’s not for an extended Paniran but if he were willing to take a discount around 7 mil the caps could resign him.

12 Jul 2018 13:42:41
PKane88- maybe provide some imput on the actual trade instead of stating the obvious? I sware I went on cap geek to Copy his name but I totally forgot lol. Anyway what’s your imput on the value.

12 Jul 2018 15:43:04
I think the jackets could do better even without an extension in place for panarin. I also think he will get paid at least 9 mil or more.

13 Jul 2018 03:50:12
You butchered his name lol

13 Jul 2018 13:03:59
Way too much for wsh to give up wilson and a first is plenty.

13 Jul 2018 13:38:21
VB- I said that burakovsky and wilson value is way different, if it is wilson i'd say fair deal, if burakovsky i'd say huge overpayment by washington.

11 Jul 2018 07:05:29
Islanders trade: Lee, pulock, ho sang, 2nd round pick 2019

Blue jackets trade: Panarin, Murray

What do you guys think about this?

11 Jul 2018 12:27:40
that package might get you panarin.

11 Jul 2018 02:17:01
CLB: Panarin
MTL: Pacioretty

11 Jul 2018 07:48:43
Lmao really?

11 Jul 2018 13:48:53
not even close, montreal adds.

11 Jul 2018 14:44:57
I hope the ‘believeable’ was himself lol can’t be 2 that think this is legit, right?

11 Jul 2018 15:01:05
I think you should regroup, research and then come back with a counter proposal. You can already chalk this up as a loss.

11 Jul 2018 02:16:23
BUF: Nylander, Reinhart
CLB: Panarin

11 Jul 2018 12:28:50
columbus takes and runs
buffalo asks for more.

11 Jul 2018 15:05:29
Don’t think Columbus takes this and Runs it’s basically Rienhart and a late 1st/ early 2nd for a top 5 player for his position. Nylander has been very disappointing sadly.

Rienhart+ is a good base tho maybe this is actually a good deal not sure if buffalo would want to trade 2 former top 10 picks in the same trade tho.

11 Jul 2018 15:37:11
Why would Columbus take this and run? They get a top 20 point guy in the league and their franchise most points ever guy for a couple disappointments?

10 Jul 2018 18:33:11
Sabres trade: Nylander, guhle, 2nd round pick

Blue jackets trade: Panarin

10 Jul 2018 19:16:09
No from Columbus Nylander is approaching bust territory.

11 Jul 2018 01:11:32
How is a 60pt player hitting bust. Either you were being funny or your kinda short bus special.

11 Jul 2018 07:45:56
It's A. Nylander not Willie.

11 Jul 2018 11:09:24
Wow Colt. Wow.

11 Jul 2018 15:10:30
I’ll let this one slip colt but next time read the names of the teams.

 
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