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20 Oct 2018 21:10:18
Deal now:
To Carolina:
Nylander, Durzi, Marincin, Neilson
To Leafs:
Pesce, Foegele, Zykov

In January (for cap space and for defence improvement)
To NYI:
2019 1st, Zaitsev, Leivo
To Leafs:
Pulock, possible pick/prospect depending on Pulock's play, Zaitsev's play, and Leivo's play up to that point

Deadline deal
To Columbus:
Gardiner (extension from Columbus required), condtional 2020 1st (becomes 2nd, 2021 3rd if Panarin doesn't re-sign), Brown, 2019 4th
To Leafs:
Panarin (he will be cheaper to get by this point)

Lines:
Marleau/Matthews/Panarin
Hyman/Tavares/Marner
Foegele/Kadri/Kapanen
Johnsson/Lindholm/Zykov
*Ennis, Gauthier
Reilly/Pulock
Dermott/Pesce
Hainsey/Ozhiganov
*Holl
Anderson
Sparks

Cmon how could you not love that team?
Scratched players all under $700 thousand

Solid 4th line and each player under 1mill

Third line of hard workers that can score and take on other teams top lines

And the other two are nothing special, just so we can throw a team together 😂

People seemed to like this on the leafs rumours site, so I wanted to branch out a bit and get more opinions

21 Oct 2018 01:40:08
I’d make all of those trades from a leafs POV.

21 Oct 2018 08:41:03
So if VB says he'd do all those trades from a Leafs POV, this prolly tells you all you need to know about whether those trades are fair.

21 Oct 2018 14:04:19
coming from the guy who thinks Stamkos>Mathews and Crosby—>Fantasy league.

21 Oct 2018 22:45:10
But Stamkos IS better than Mathews 🤔

Mathews: 69, 63 point seasons
Stamkos: 46, 95, 91, 97, 57, 40, 72, 64, 20, 86,
Mathews was injured 20 games season #2 and Stamkos was injured half or so of season #5, 6, 9.
Mathews 1 - 40 goal season
Stamkos 4 - 40+ goal season, 1 is 51 and 1 is 60.
Not sure how you argue those numbers.

22 Oct 2018 03:01:01
Ok but Matthews also missed about a quarter of the season last year, he would’ve hit 70 for sure and probably 75, maybe even 80.

22 Oct 2018 04:05:43
You can’t argue those numbers. Stamkos has been a stud for years and leaf fans can only hope Matthews has a career as good as Stamkos.

22 Oct 2018 09:38:06
"coming from the guy who thinks Stamkos>Mathews and Crosby—>Fantasy league. "
Well #1 I literally never said anything about that since that never was a topic and #2 as pointed out above by others, Stamkos has had an impressive career. This season so far, Matthews is the better player, no doubt.

18 Oct 2018 16:12:25
This trade would never happen but you know I just feel like this today
To Leafs:
Bobrovsky, Panarin, Nutivaara
To Columbus:
Anderson, Gardiner, Nylander, 2020 2nd
Anderson+2nd=Bobrovsky
Nylander=Panarin
Gardiner=Nutivaara

18 Oct 2018 19:24:23
Never happen like you said. Bobrovsky apparently wants Price money. So taking that into consideration, I’m satisfied with Andersen at $5mill for 3 more years. 5 years control of Nylander for a year of Panarin isn’t worth it. And UFA Gardiner for a 20 year old good Dman makes no sense for CBJ. If they’re losing their star goalie and best forward, what is the point of adding Gardiner?

18 Oct 2018 19:47:29
Nylander is not close to panarin, maybe nylander will be 5 years from now but not close right now, panarin has earned 8+ a year, nylander hasnt.

18 Oct 2018 22:24:32
Read what he said Shoots, he said he prefers having Nylander under control for 5 more years than having Panarin for 1. And he is right.

19 Oct 2018 12:26:12
What he said is they're equal, nylander wants more money that isn't earned, panarin is proven he's earned a contract, nylander has a few years to earn. Much rather have panarin at 6 mil this year than 8 mil nylander. Panarin has much better stats playing with lesser players.

19 Oct 2018 12:40:01
If leafs can sign nylander at 6m-6.5 for 3-5 years, he's worth it, but at his contract demands, he ain't worth nothing. No team is paying a 60 point player 8 million a year long term.

19 Oct 2018 12:55:36
And not responding to Jim if that's what's you're talking about cherry, he always has good input, I get the control of the player but they are not equal, not close, not what I was talking about.

19 Oct 2018 17:39:25
My apologies Shoots, thought you were referring to the 1st response.

19 Oct 2018 19:47:12
Yeah, player for player I’m not debating Nylander equals panarin. Just that panarin will demand $8.5+ mill in July which he will be worth but we can’t afford and we would be competing with 30 teams to try to keep him. Nylander can demand $8.5mill all he wants, Dubas controls his future. So at the end of the day it’s trading off 5 years of a 60-70 pt guy for 1 year of a 75-80 pt guy, when scoring is the least of our worries.

20 Oct 2018 05:01:48
Totally agree jim.

20 Oct 2018 16:12:36
Ya but Nylamder could become a 80-100 point guy. Here's why, how many players have we seen getting 30-60 points season until the age of 23 and then after that getting 60+ points season? Barkov is an example. I think 60 is just the start for Nylander I don't know why people think he can't prosgress more then just a 70 point player. I've never been a fan of leafs but if mtl can get Nylander oh boy what a team. And why would he take less the 7 million? Because Pastnark took a discount 2 years ago so Nylander has to be lower then what Boston plays him? Lol.

14 Oct 2018 22:08:47
To TOR:
Conor Timmins

To COL:
William Nylander

TOR gets a young, tall, right-handed defenseman who's reliable in his own zone and extremely skilled handling the puck and can chip in with offense. Timmins is currently injured however I firmly believe that once he recovers, he is ready to be an impact NHL defenseman.

COL on the other hand really bolsters their depth on RW behind Rantanen and adds a major scoring threat 5 on 5 as well as on the power play with the addition of Nylander. They also have a good amount of cap space to sign him for this year and the future, especially with expensive contracts like Colin Wilson's coming off the books at the end of this season.

Also, COL has Makar in the system already and so, losing Timmins in such a trade will not hurt them as much as it will benefit them in the short and long run.

Oh and Timmins used to play for the Sault St. Marie Greyhounds so the Dubas connection is also there.

Thoughts?

15 Oct 2018 00:06:50
I posted this a couple weeks ago, I personally would do it based on needs of both teams, but I do think that Colorado should add a bit based on the fact that nylander is currently a proven top 6 forward and will get better and Timmins hasn’t proven anything at the nhl level. I like it tho, pull the trigger!

15 Oct 2018 00:40:55
No from leafs.

15 Oct 2018 04:02:54
Maybe I’m greedy, but I would try and get Avs to throw in a pick as well.

Timmins is a very highly rated prospect, and depending on the analyst, is even more highly rated than Makar. A real steal for Avs where they drafted him, he would look good beside Rielly, and along with Liljegren, would cement Leafs RHD for years. Some on this site may say Nylander holds more value, but don’t you listen to them. Timmins holds more value to us because he fills a glaring need, and would alleviate cap situation for a few more years.

14 Oct 2018 18:19:04
Toronto Trades: William Nylander (RW - RFA) + Josh Leivo (LW - 0.65 Million x 1 Year) + Calle Rosen (LD - 0.90 Million x 1 Year) + 2019 3rd Round Draft Selection.

Columbus Trades: Ryan Murray (LD - 2.90 Million x 1 Year) + Gabriel Carlsson (LD - 0.90 Million x 2 Years) + Josh Anderson (RW - 1.80 x 2 Years) .

Toronto gets some solid assets for Nylander. Murray hasn’t blossomed in Columbus, but could be a solid shutdown dman for the time being in Toronto. A change of scenery could be a benefit for him. Carlsson is a solid shutdown dman, he's the main piece in the trade: he could play with Liljegren on the Marlies, and they could become Torontos second pair for the future. Anderson is a guy who could be solid on Toronto: grit and size (with skill) is much needed in our bottom six.

Columbus gets the big prize in William Nylander who could blossom into their 1C if they see Dubois as a better fit for 2C. If Nylander struggles at C, he could easily be a 60-70+ point winger. This move could also indicate to Panarin that they’re willing to compete now, maybe giving him more incentive to stay. If Panarin leaves, at least they’d have Nylander then. As for trading away two defensemen, it does hurt, but for a forward of that caliber, its okay to deplete the depth slightly. Leivo can be a temporary replacement for Anderson, and Rosen replaces Carlsson’s minutes on Cleveland.

Toronto Lineup:

Patrick Marleau - Auston Matthews - Kasperi Kapanen
Zach Hyman - John Tavares - Mitch Marner
Par Lindholm - Nazem Kadri - Josh Anderson
Andreas Johnsson - Tyler Ennis - Connor Brown
*Frederik Gauthier

Morgan Rielly - Travis Dermott
Ryan Murray - Nikita Zaitsev
Jake Gardiner - Ron Hainsey
*Justin Holl, Igor Ozhiganov

Columbus Lineup:

Artemi Panarin - Pierre-Luc Dubois - Cam Atkinson
Nick Foligno - William Nylander - Oliver Bjorkstrand
Boone Jenner - Alexander Wennberg - Anthony Duclair
Sonny Milano - Riley Nash - Josh Leivo

Zach Werenski - Seth Jones
David Savard - Markus Nuttivara
Scott Harrington - Adam Clendening.

14 Oct 2018 22:46:20
Murray is looking more and more like a bust, and Carlsson has been demoted to AHL, taking a step back when hope was he made the team this year. I mean, let’s face it, Columbus’ defense isn’t that strong after their top line and they were really hoping these guys would work out for them. Anderson is a very good player and I love his size. Actually, I love the size of all these guys.

I think Columbus wins this trade. It’s nice dumping a couple fringe players to go along with Nylander. It’s a bit of a gamble here on Carlsson and Murray though.

15 Oct 2018 11:26:39
I'd take the gamble. yes it would hurt losing the top player in the trade, especially if murray and carlsson do not work out. but on the other side of the trade it could be like the rask trade or kessel trade years ago (with toronto being on the other side of the coin this time and winning the trade by a long haul) . either toronto can lose or win by a landslide doing this deal, . so it'd be high risk high reward potentially.

13 Oct 2018 10:15:33
Columbus Trades
Panarin
Sedlak

Toronto Trades
Hyman
FGauthier
1st Round Pick 2019
1st Round Pick 2020*
2nd Round Pick 2020

*Conditional only if Panarin signs with the Leafs.

Trade Breakdown
Panarin
-Hyman
-1st Round Pick 2019
-1st Round Pick 2020 (Potentially)
-2nd Round Pick 2020

Sedlak
-FGauthier

I think that's a pretty good Proposal for the Jackets to consider.

Thoughts ?

13 Oct 2018 13:12:42
Never seen this trade before. 🙄🙄.

13 Oct 2018 15:30:41
It’s Groundhog Day!

11 Oct 2018 16:10:31
Columbus Trades
Panarin
Sedlak

Toronto Trades
Hyman
FGauthier
1st Round Pick 2019
4th Round Pick 2019
1st Round Pick 2020*
2nd Round Pick 2020

*Conditional if Panarin resigns with the Leafs.

I tweeked my Trade Proposal from yesterday adding a 2nd Round Pick 2020 to it, I believe getting Panarin would be huge for the Leafs and adding a 2nd Round Pick should be enough to get it done.

Thoughts ?
Agree or Disagree ?

11 Oct 2018 16:53:53
Keep the 2 1st rounders in there take out the rest and try adding something else. Columbus are not about to give up on their season right yet I'm sure if they were to trade panarin right now they would want to get something back that could help them right now. At the deadline if Columbus is out of the playoffs then yes this is closer. But right now it's still a big no from the jackets.

11 oct 2018 16:57:50
you're offering a tdl type deal to get panarin for the whole season. so, cbj might as well hang onto panarin until the tdl and decide if they want to move him then. why should cbj make their team worse now and make a trade that helps the leafs for a whole season and get nothing extra back for the trouble?

12 Oct 2018 00:26:27
I’m just going to say disagree.

12 Oct 2018 01:26:23
Rumours were cbj want a top6 forward to replace him immediately and then add the extra, so this probably isn't what they'd be looking for, couple late firsts is a start but the players wouldn't step right in and picks would be years away to develop, but late 1sts aren't a guarantee ethier.

10 Oct 2018 17:50:42
Columbus Trades
Panarin
Sedlak

Toronto Trades
Hyman
FGauthier
1st Round Pick 2019
4th Round Pick 2019
1st Round Pick 2020*

*Conditional only if Panarin resigns with the Leafs.

Some on here might say Panarin is worth more but realistically Panarin probably won't resign with the Leafs and he probably won't be signing in Columbus either, yes Panarin is the best Player in this Trade Proposal but to get a hard nosed 2 way Winger with a good contract, FGauthier might or might not be a NHL regular but he is bigger than Sedlak and makes less in Contract, so Columbus in the big picture will have traded 1 season of Panarin and Sedlak for an NHL Player in Hyman, a Prospect in FGauthier, plus 2 Draft Picks one being a 1st Round Pick, with a possible 1st Round Pick in 2020 if Panarin does resign in Toronto.

For the Leafs with all there Depth in the AHL with Grundstrom, Bracco etc knocking on the door probably next year it makes sense to go for it this year, when WNylander resigns they will be a scoring machine.

Thoughts ?

10 Oct 2018 18:21:02
Ok. Who are you and what did you do with the real Pinball?

This trade actually kind of makes sense.

Hate to see Hyman go. But you got to give to get.

As a rental, Panarin is worth the traditional pick + player. You’ve made a reasonable offer. May not be enough for CLB, but I would be reluctant to offer more.

You keep posting proposals like this and we all might be able to start taking you more serious again.

10 Oct 2018 19:06:32
This isn’t bad, but Columbus has already said if they do trade Panarin they would want a ready now guy back like Gardiner and a guy like Kapanen to go with it.

10 Oct 2018 19:29:51
Value wise from the leafs it’s a lot to give up. But value wise for Columbus, it’s not nearly enough. Hyman is great at what he does. He’s a gritty 3rd liner or can do the grunt work for stars. Gauthier is still trying hard to prove he can be a 4th liner. And then what should be a late 1st and a 4th?! Next to zero chance any of those pieces become nearly what panarin is. Just don’t see that being the best they can get. Think of what you would want for Nylander and then think of a 3rd liner, 4th liner and a late 1st would make you happy? I’m aware he’s younger and more under control, but panarin is also a more proven star still only 25 or 26.

10 Oct 2018 23:28:36
My guess is if Columbus waits to Trade him they won't get nearly enough at the Deadline, if they keep him he probably does a Tavares and walks away for nothing, I agree it's a hard choice to make plus they have Bobrovsky to make a choice on, I would seriously look at Trading Panarin now before it's to late, my Proposal to me is fair only because Panarin is a UFA after this year.

10 Oct 2018 14:47:37
With Murray down, do you think Pittsburgh could think about aquiring Bobrovsky?
To Columbus:
Desmith, 2019 1st, Sprong, Maatta
To Pittsburgh:
Bobrovsky (1 year extension), Milano

10 Oct 2018 16:03:14
I think Columbus is going to ride Bobrovsky myself. A 2x Vezina winner in net to carry them deep into the playoffs. He’s still regarded my most to be the best goalie in the league. AS Columbus sees themselves as competitive, you can be sure they will keep him. As we saw last year, and virtually almost every year, a hot goalie can carry a team all the way. And who better to bet on than Bobrovsky?

10 Oct 2018 16:59:44
What's with the 1 year extension? You think bobrovsky or any other star player would sign a 1 year extension? I know I don't.

10 Oct 2018 19:08:03
Idk just to make it more fair I guess.

09 Oct 2018 14:25:33
Once Kase is back from his concussion:
To Anaheim:
Nylander, Brown, Zaitsev
To Leafs:
Manson, Kase

Nylander goes over to replace Perry long term, and Anaheim can either keep Perry on LTIR or deal him

Deadline deal:
To Columbus
Gardiner (extension), Marincin, Moore, 2019 2nd
To Leafs:
Savard, Milano

Lines
Hyman/Tavares/Marner
Marleau/Matthews/Kase
Johnsson/Kadri/Kapanen
Milano/Lindholm/Leivo
*Goat, Ennis
Rielly/Manson
Dermott/Savard
Hainsey/Ozhiganov
*Holl
Anderson
Sparks

Posted this on the leafs rumours site but I wanted more opinions on it

09 Oct 2018 16:23:20
The Columbus deal would have to happen first so we have Savard to replace Zaitsev when we trade him. Otherwise we short ourselves at RHD again. Granted, Manson is better than Zaitsev. But we need someone to compliment him, not replace him.

The Anaheim deal looks pretty good. Not sure Anaheim will be wanting to move Kase though. They need all the forwards they can get.

The Columbus deal looks like it favours the Leafs. Let’s just say for arguments sake if, and it’s a big if, Gardiner = Savard, then I don’t feel the rest of what you are offering is equal to Milano. He said going to be a real stud. Marincin is garbage. Moore is half decent prospect, and the 2nd May never work out. For Milano you would have to be willing to give up a decent NHL player who can contribute immediately.

I like all the guys you suggested. Lineups look good. With a little tweaking, I think you have the right idea.

09 Oct 2018 17:06:02
Couldn’t we just do this until the Savard trade
Rielly/ Manson
Gardiner/ Hainsey
Dermott/ Ozhiganov
*Holl, Marincin
I mean Hainsey already has top 4 experience and he can cover for Gardiner’s mistakes so why not?

09 Oct 2018 17:11:15
Also, I know Anaheim won’t want to move Kase, which is why I send back Brown as well, so they are actually getting 2 forwards back for 1
Milano isn’t going to be that good, he is playing 4th line right now and is basically a replacement of Brown, if anything I would add Leivo because we already have Ennis.

09 Oct 2018 17:50:52
Pretty sure anahiem doesn't have the cap room to do this. Unless they plan to waive kesler and perry when they get back from injury. Then this deal turns into perry kesler manson kase for nylander brown and zaitsev which I don't think they even consider.

09 Oct 2018 18:47:31
Brown+Zaitsev=6.6mill
Manson+Kase=6.7mill
That cancels out
Nylander=Perry
The whole point of this deal for Anaheim is to have a long term replacement for Perry, his contract is more then Nylander’s will be so when Perry gets back, the ducks can deal him as well for defence, you could say the ducks win this deal by a landslide
They don’t have to do anything with Kessler.

09 Oct 2018 18:54:42
Sorry I meant to say defence prospects, not defence because that would also mess with the cap.

09 Oct 2018 20:01:04
One more thing, and I know this will start a heated conversation
Gardiner is better, actually WAY better then Savard
He has WAY more trade value, especially with an extension
Gardiner-52 points in 82 games (not injury prone), +9 playing with Zaitsev, $4.05 mill salary
Savard-16 points and +2 in 81 games (not injury prone) last year, $4.25 mill salary
Who would you rather have?
Answer: Gardiner

Just because Gardiner gives up the puck a bit more then average doesn't mean he is a bad defender, all of you act like he is Ryan Murray, which isn't even close in comparison.
Plus most of the time when he does cough up the puck, he recovers it, the Boston game was just an example of what can happen if he coughs it up to one of the best lines in the league and can't recover, which would happen to any normal, or even elite defenceman.

I honestly think this deal is more fair and realistic:
To Columbus:
Gardiner (extension), maybe a "guy" (Marincin, Goat)
To Leafs:
Nutivaara, Milano

But obviously you all don't think he is worth $6 million dollars

Every layer has flaws, but the thing about Gardiner's is that he makes one, recovers the puck, and gets an assist, goal, or makes a beauty pass after, you have to look past his flaws and you can really see what a special ELITE $6 million plus player he really is, he deserves to be treated that way.

The only reason I'm trading this guy so much is because the leafs can't afford his contract next year, but they could afford Nutivaara's, which is looking like a much better trade right now then the Savard (who looks like he is declining in skill) deal.

09 Oct 2018 21:54:24
Gardiner definitely has more value then savard you may not like Gardiner but the reality is Numbers don’t lie.

09 Oct 2018 22:35:06
If they can trade perry. But that's a big IF.

09 Oct 2018 23:06:27
@Habby, your not wrong, it is an if, but if it came down to Perry or Nylander, who would you rather have?
Also, I can see Perry being like a Rick Nash from last year, lots of injuries and a high contract but he puts up points, so maybe Boston trades one of their picks and prospects for him to fill the hole on their right wing side, or a team like Columbus if they lose Panarin may ask about him, or a playoff hopeful like Buffalo who wants to up their offence and maybe trade a guy like Alex Nylander to do it, just a few examples of who would be interested.

09 Oct 2018 23:23:14
I think Anaheim views Kase as a potential long term Perry replacement. I personally think he’s undervalued here and Anaheim is very high on him. Gardiner has more value than Savard, and numbers may not lie but can be deceiving. got to look at Gardiners future output on a team that isn’t Toronto as what he did before Matthews Marner and Nylander, and those numbers are very different.

10 Oct 2018 00:01:23
Yeah, Perry won’t be easy to trade. That’s a big dollar amount attached to an aging player who will be coming of a serious injury.

10 Oct 2018 00:23:22
Anaheim will never be able to trade either Perry or Kessler.

Gardiner and savard are two completely different style players. It’s like comparing apples to oranges. The only thing they have in common is their job title. Except Savard can actually play defense. The only reason Gardiner has 52 points is a + player is because of the forwards in front of him. For most of his career until the likes of Matthews, Marner, and co. came along, Gardiner was deep in the minus. Gardiner is a beneficiary of having such a talented forward group to play with now, not the other way around.

10 Oct 2018 00:48:53
No Gardiner was a minus because he played for the worst team in the league, then when he joined an actual playoff team, he played like a normal defenceman would.

10 Oct 2018 03:01:33
@ mostleaf obviously I'd rather nylander lol. That isn't the point plus the perry situation is nothing like nash was last year. Nash was a pending ufa perry has 2 more years after this one at 8.5 mil. The only way the ducks can trade him is if they take back someone else on a hefty contract and therefore they would still be over the cap like I said.

10 Oct 2018 12:49:13
Anyone else just cringe after reading LeafsGMs analyst of Gardiner. +/ - is team star and the leafs had the worst team in the nhl Gardiner can’t win him self.

03 Oct 2018 13:43:09
Columbus Trades
Panarin

Toronto Trades
Hyman
1st Round Pick 2019
1st Round Pick 2020*
2nd Round Pick 2020
7th Round Pick 2020

*Conditional 1st Round Pick only if Panarin resigns with the Leafs.

Thoughts ?

03 Oct 2018 15:14:06
Look at your cap before you post trades from now on.

03 Oct 2018 15:56:36
Columbus wants ready now players back not picks, although it wouldn’t hurt to get one
You would have to give up Gardiner, Kapanen, a first, and a good prospect like Grundström or Bracco to get him, unless you wanted to give up Nylander or if Gardiner had an extension so you wouldn’t have to add as much.

03 Oct 2018 16:21:51
Yeah, jackets aren’t rebuilding and will still want to compete, although they have relied so heavily on bobrovsky in the past, and they aren’t getting back a goalie as good regardless, it’ll be tough to compete if he leaves too.

03 Oct 2018 17:49:35
Um after Horton goes on LTIR and his 5.3mill the Leafs are around 18mill, then you add in the 2.5mill of Hyman that's close to 21mill, minus the 6mill of Panarin that's still 15mill in Cap Space #yupp, so you need to look at the Cap.

03 Oct 2018 23:07:25
Ignorant comment @ Yupp if you don’t know Something don’t comment.

04 Oct 2018 04:44:42
I think what yupp was getting at is the cap hit after this season. Unless we are trading two first round picks for a rental (which is a bad idea), then I assume pinball is wanting to re-sign Panarin? In that case, signing Panarin, Matthews, Marner, plus whatever Nylander gets, as he hasn’t been traded here, would almost certainly put us over.

I agree with everyone else here as well: Columbus considers themselves competitive and are not re-building. Two late first round picks and a couple other later picks in two years time (three picks total for 2020) is not going to help Columbus win the cup any time soon.

04 Oct 2018 05:31:07
He obviously means in the long run the leafs can’t afford Panarin. So vb if you don’t even understand what he’s saying don’t comment then.

04 Oct 2018 13:08:21
Well I guess if you trade Nylander for picks and prospects you can for Panarin in. You of all people calling that simple comment ignorant is pretty funny tho. You must be a millennial if that offended you.
Also, I do know the Leafs cap situation, everyone does, so how the F was my comment ignorant.

04 Oct 2018 16:13:22
Ya yupp learn your roll everyday and twice on Sundays Hyman and some late 1sts are worth panarin but personally I think it’s the 7th that makes it unfair for the leafs!

04 Oct 2018 17:50:53
@leafsGM, I agree with your assessment except that it wouldn’t be two 1st rounders for a rental. The second first he has as conditional on him resigning.

05 Oct 2018 11:26:55
Clearly you don’t they can afford almost anyone this season. How am I supposed to know you’re referring to an extension? If they trade for him they won’t resign him just like almost any other rental.

06 Oct 2018 16:52:07
Do not trade all these picks for one player. Its takes one injury to put the leads back to the 80s.

24 Sep 2018 22:29:58
If Bobrovsky for some reason gets traded, I think St. Louis would have a ton of interest, they lost Hutton and Allen may start the season on the IR, so it could be smart for them, with all of their forward depth they could very much do it.

To St.Louis:
Bobrovsky, Milano
To Columbus:
Steen, Allen, conditional 2021 2nd (turns into 2021 first if Bobrovsky re-signs), Barbashev

Just a thought, probably not going to happen but may as well speculate, Korpisalo may be ready for the starting role anyway

25 Sep 2018 03:54:02
Take out Milano and Barbashev and add Kyrou from St. Louis, that makes it more fair.

25 Sep 2018 05:49:03
I was going to say idk why Columbus would accept that tbh.

25 Sep 2018 12:56:19
Goalie Bobbi's considered by many the best goalie in the league. It will take more than and older winger with a high price tag in Steen, Mediocre goalie in Allen and just a 2nd with the condition.

25 Sep 2018 17:12:28
Bobs is a great goalie. But he is not worth losing Kyrou, Thomas ect for him. I also agree that steen, Allen, and 2nd do not get you bob.

I don't think a trade like this can work. The blues no longer have cap dump type players and would be losing core players plus highend prospects for a guy they won't be able to afford to resign next year. At this time it is sink or swim with allen. Blues already have three young goalies (Husso, Binnginton, Fitzpatrick) that had fantastic seasons last year. With husso leading the pack and already have a great preseason he will be the first call up to back up Chad Johnson if allen can't handle it.

The blues added much needed offense with ROR, Perron, Maroon and rookies contributing like Thomas/ kyrou. The defense is going to get better with Dunn and Edds parayko hitting their primes, Another year of petro. With that fabbri will be returning. So if allen can figure it out we should be fine

sorry for the rant. Long story short, there is not a trade to be made. Blues cap will not allow it and loss of great ELC rookies on the cheap contracts will be needed with some journey men and vets getting raises.

25 Sep 2018 17:28:31
If it’s trade deadline and he is for sure not coming back, they will take whatever. Remember Bishop being dealt from TB to LA at the deadline when he wasn’t coming back? I know Bob is better than bishop, but was still Looked at as a top 5 goalie by a lot of people and got next to nothing in a similar situation.

21 Sep 2018 17:17:38
Columbus Trades
Panarin
SJones

Toronto Trades
WNylander
CCarrick
1st Round Pick 2019

I really don't want to trade WNylander but at the same time getting SJones and at least one year of Panarin would be worth it with how close the Leafs are.

Thoughts ?

21 Sep 2018 17:20:13
You won't get Jones. everything went downhill from there.

21 Sep 2018 17:28:26
Wow, massive no from Cbj. Panarin andNylander are pretty close in value sure, but then you want Jones for only Carrick and what will likely be a bottom 10 first? Your delusional.

21 Sep 2018 17:56:40
Nylander as a return for this package is fair but the Leafs would have to add someone much better than Carrick to even out the trade. I notice that there are a lot of trades proposed that involve the Leafs. Is Toronto just not that good that they need to try and steal other teams good players and trade them scrapes in return?

21 Sep 2018 18:34:23
Not a chance CLB does this. It would need to be Nylander, Reilly and the first or Liljegen. Something along those lines to get CLB to even start talking.

21 Sep 2018 19:52:58
Let me help you out here
To Columbus:
Nylander, 2020 2nd, Gardiner, Kapanen
To Leafs:
Panarin, Savard

That’s way more fair, and this is coming from a leafs fan.

21 Sep 2018 20:06:25
Lmao. You're not even getting Seth Jones for that. Let alone Panarin too. Wtf.

21 Sep 2018 20:14:54
Lol @ the mostleaf. As ridiculous as the original trade proposal was, yours is just as horrendous.

21 Sep 2018 20:25:16
Lol not close. Jones is one of the most valuable pieces in the league because of position, age and contract. Leafs would have to add a lot to Nylander to get him alone. Jackets laugh so very hard at this.

21 Sep 2018 20:25:58
Lol, that package probabky doesn't even get Jones.

21 Sep 2018 20:49:41
Mathews instead of Nylander might get Columbus’s attention.

21 Sep 2018 21:33:01
islandjet the Leafs have the largest fan base so logically they will also have the largest number of people who post ridiculous, one-sided trades. If you don't like it, convince more people to move to Winnipeg and cheer for the Jets (good luck with that) .

Also, I wouldn't be so quick to throw shade as you've made numerous outlandishly homerish statements on this site. Rambo might be driving the homer short bus but you're close to riding shotgun.

21 Sep 2018 21:52:59
#pinballisbackunfortunately.

21 Sep 2018 22:56:54
Everyone should know pinball’s trades are usually ridiculous. That’s funny you say that unsportsmanlike, I was starting to think islandjet and memarcusjoe were the same people. They always reply on the same thread and there can’t be 3 jets fans. I think the black alpaca is a jets fan also.

21 Sep 2018 23:42:00
Panarin is an UFA after this Season and Nylander is a RFA big difference, so don't compare those 2, Nylander, CCarrick, and a 1st Round Pick for one Season of Panarin and SJones isn't delusional for Columbus long term.

21 Sep 2018 23:55:54
themostleaf33 must be Brian Burke in disguise. So one year of Panarin and Savard is signed for one year of Gardiner, Nylander (RFA) Kapanen and a 2nd Round Pick too? If I am Columbus I am packing Panarin and Savards bags right away, that's a steal of a trade for the Jackets.
Anyone on here that thinks that's fair is a true Leaf hater, no worries Dubas isn't that dumb.

22 Sep 2018 02:10:46
Pinball buddy, Sometimes I think you're just a troll with how bad EVERY SINGLE one of your posts have ever been. But we all just know if you're not trolling you're delusional as all Flip.

22 Sep 2018 09:52:22
Won't get you Jones alone. Get real.

22 Sep 2018 14:27:27
Pinball you underate Seth Jones he has much more value then Nylander.

22 Sep 2018 17:20:30
Lets do it again
Marner + Rilly
Panrain + Jones.

22 Sep 2018 18:05:49
Keyhabs that’s still not even comparable lol not even close. Columbus putting out the two better players lol.

22 Sep 2018 19:54:25
Panarin better than Marner @MJC? Really?

22 Sep 2018 20:43:59
Absolutely Panarin is better than Marner? How can you not agree. I’m not going off age or contract I’m talking strictly skill and who i'd rather have.
Jones + Panarin are both better than Marner + Reilly.

23 Sep 2018 00:58:42
Oh. I’m going value. Yeah right now Panarins better, not going to lie.

Age, contract and value, takin Marner in a heartbeat tho, as should most.

23 Sep 2018 01:17:55
Do it again
Mathews Reilly
For
Jones Panarin.

23 Sep 2018 01:51:33
Oh ya age difference and contract would go Marner to for sure.

16 Sep 2018 15:35:48
Well, the Nylander rumours are looking like they may actually be true, as a leaf fan I'm starting to get worried, so I thought of a solution for both the leafs RD problem and who should replace Nylander at the same time

3-way trade
To Columbus:
Gardiner (5 year extension), Nylander, Tevor Moore
To Anaheim:
Savard, Carrick, 2020 2nd-leafs, Milano
To Leafs:
Panarin (two year extension), Montour

Gardiner=Milano, Savard
Nylander, Moore=Panarin

If any of you think Gardiner isn't worth anything, look at the Karlsson trade, Gardiner was 10 points behind the guy last year and had A BAD GAME that everyone is crapping on him about, you can't judge a guy because of one game, with an extension he is probably worth like Nazem Kadri, or even a bit more then that because he is someone that the bluejackets need, they shouldn't be relying on Ryan Murray to play well on the top 4, because I hate to break it to you Jackets fans, but he isn't the next Morgan Reilly, you hold him at a way higher standard then he is, he is at MOST a Boone Jenner trade comparison and is a top 6 defenceman and no higher.
Jake Gardiner-Bad game
Ryan Murray-Bad season
Who would you rather have on your top 4?

Panarin has an extension so leafs can then trade him for a younger guy like De Brincat because Panarin has been quoted saying that he would highly consider going back to Chicago short term, and 2 years there could make him open his eyes and realize that he shouldn't go to a rebuilding NYR and instead sign with a contender

16 Sep 2018 17:10:40
Leafs aren’t running away with Panarin and Montour for what their giving up lol.

16 Sep 2018 17:31:46
Look, Nylander will resign with the Leafs. Toronto will not trade Nylander for Panarin, a player that will command more than Nylander on a long term deal. I suspect that Nylander will sign for no more than between US$6.5 million and US$7 million per on an 8 yr deal. No way Nylander gets US$8 million per on a long term deal as per internet reports.

16 Sep 2018 17:57:40
I really don’t think Nylander has any leverage. Toronto has a couple wingers that can play with Matthews. If he holds out and let’s say Kapanen starts producing on that line. Nylander’s value will go down and he might just lose his spot. He doesn’t seem like the player that will try to fight his way from the fourth line back to the second.

16 Sep 2018 21:06:02
Little Leafs biased eh? Make out like bandits.

16 Sep 2018 21:24:34
Look, Nylander is a guy who should get 6.5-7 mill over 8 years, but obviously that is not what is going to happen, he wants 30% more then the leafs are willing to offer him, so i don't see that happening any time soon

Out of camp and into pre-season, Nylander will not play, maybe even into the regular season. The leafs are going to see if they need him, and if they don't he is going to be traded for a better winger, and a defenceman, this deal works out perfectly for Columbus because they get something back that can help them in the playoffs, I may have offered more then I should've for Panarin, there is no denying these offers help all the teams involved

Anaheim gets better defensive depth which they need, and a young forward they can also use, plus a second round pick to sweeten the deal. Savard can easily replace Montour on the top 4 while Carrick can replace Scene on Anaheim's top 6 defence, which they could really use, especially with how low his contract is.

Columbus gets a winger who they can sign long term, which is something they would absolutely love to get back for Panarin. Gardiner as I explained before would be an awesome defenceman to have an one that can play top 4 minutes instead of Murray. The only thing I can see happening in that trade is maybe the leafs add a pick to sweeten it, but other then that it looks good to me

The leafs get their defenceman to play with Reilly, while they also get someone to replace Nylander, and who they can trade later on to reclaim a younger but still talented player, like DeBrincat, Panarin may want to go back to Chicago anyway so that may work out perfectly.

16 Sep 2018 22:03:15
I don't recall the last time Gardiner won the Norris, comparing him with Karlsson is laughable.

17 Sep 2018 03:19:29
Gardiner is not Karlsson I know, but last year he was better then Morgan Reilly, he had the same amount of points as Reilly and a better +/ - while playing with Nikita Zaitsev, who wasn’t as solid last year and who was worse then Ron Hainsey
You can say Reilly played less games, but he was still -4 in the regular season, which isn’t that great as a defenceman playing on a 100+ point team
Gardiner isn’t worth trading Reilly, but he is very close to Reilly’s trade value if not better, as I said before he is a 52 point defenceman, your all underestimating him and he is worth so much more then you think, especially with a contract extension
Jake Gardiner is VALUABLE
If you don’t view it that way then somethings wrong.

17 Sep 2018 14:28:16
First off, Rielly played top pair with a 40 year old against top lines all year. So when he was on the ice, so was Kadris line most of the time as the shut down forwards. When Gardiner was on the ice, he was facing second line offensive players and had Matthews and Nylander on the ice with him. If you can’t see a benefit there that sways plus minus in jakes favour, I can’t help you lol

That being said Gardiner definitely has value, he’s a 28 year old puck mover coming off a 52 pt season and an extremely reasonable cap hit of $4 mill for another season. However nylanders rights with $8mill demand, Gardiner (even resigned) and Trevor Moore, who I’ve see play a lot and is a long shot to play in the NHL does not get you Montour and Panarin lol if Nylander came with a reasonable contract, it’s closer, but if he would sign reasonably, then you don’t trade him to get an older, more expensive winger with less years of control. Either way, it’s flawed.

18 Sep 2018 02:59:05
The leafs don’t do the major trading for Montour, Savard comes from Columbus and already make up half if not more of the trade value of Montour, the leafs give two elite players, a second, an underrated top 6 defenceman, and a prospect in Moore who is way closer to the NHL and could potentially get in next year, and in return get two elite players, seems fair to me.

13 Sep 2018 14:47:39
So if the rumours are true that Nylander wants 8 mill, then he needs to go, and the leafs will need to find a good replacement for him
Well, if Columbus is going to get anything back for Panarin, it's now

To Columbus:
Nylander, Gardiner (5 year extension)
To Leafs:
Savard, Panarin (2 year extension)

This would allow Columbus to sign Nylander long term to replace Panarin and give the leafs someone to replace Nylander until another solution presents itself
Do the leafs need to give up more?
Do they give up too much?
Would Columbus be ok with this?

13 Sep 2018 17:44:28
Leafs win big as of today, depends what savard is long term in a few years. If nylander wants 8 mil, he'll be sitting out the season.

13 Sep 2018 20:02:32
Why trade him and take back panarin?! He’s not going to take less than $8 mill either, he’s older and closer to UFA. Nylander has very little leverage for 5 more years.

IF his ask is actually $8mill, I see that coming down. And if it doesn’t, we have Kapanen, Johnsson, and brown to play in his spot for penny’s. They aren’t as good as Nylander, I understand. But they will be playing with Matthews and Marleau. They will contribute just fine.

Then you trade Nylander for a good young D and move on. Trading a young winger for demanding $8 million for an older winger who will want $8.5 mill + makes zero sense when we are stacked with offense and the only weak spot on a solid team is D.

13 Sep 2018 21:55:57
Well coming as a leafs fan, the trade is done so we can then flip Panarin for an upcoming star like DeBrincat (just an example) so we can keep our young core intact.

12 Sep 2018 20:17:10
to Columbus
Morrissey
1st

to Winnipeg
Jones

Adding Trouba's old pal Seth Jones may be the best thing Winnipeg could do to keep him. Obviously, though, they will have to give up an awful lot to get him.

12 Sep 2018 20:41:35
No thanks from Columbus yikes.

12 Sep 2018 21:08:49
Jones is a RHD, and the jets don’t need more RHD, If the jets get Werenski and Trouba goes to Columbus, maybe you can get a conversation started and add a few things on both sides, Jones wouldn’t be the same on the left side, Neither would Trouba

Winnipeg D Lines
Werenski/ Big Buff
Morrisey/ Myers
Kulikov/ camp battles spot

Columbus D lines
Nuitivarra/ Jones
Murray/ Trouba
Carlsson/ Savard

Obviously there are more pieces, especially if Werenski doesn’t start the season healthy, but this is a start, they both have been injured and both teams could trade later on to improve if they have to, it all works out.

12 Sep 2018 21:14:31
I can't see CLB moving Jones for that. Morrissey is good, but CLB would want more than a late first to make the swap.

12 Sep 2018 21:53:59
Most people don't see Morrissey enough to really see how good a d-man he is. He's a 23 year old #1 shut down left shot d-man on the #2 team in the NHL. He is that good. I hope the Jets lock him up for 8 years. I really can't see the Jets ever trading him in the near future. Trouba on the other hand will be gone at the draft if he doesn't sign a long term deal with the Jets.

12 Sep 2018 22:10:00
CLB isn't trading either Jones or Werenski.

12 Sep 2018 22:48:31
Jones is definitely the most valuable dman in the NHL when considering 2 way play, age and Contract. Don’t think Columbus would consider a Liane And Trouba package for Jones.

It would require a Piece like Mathews+ for Jones ( overpayment ) .

12 Sep 2018 23:15:51
Morrisey is good but he's not on the same level as jones and a late 1st rounder doesn't even come close to making up the difference.

13 Sep 2018 01:16:49
Here comes vb to make another stupid statement that’s no where near true. If Columbus was offered Laine and Trouba for Jones they’d take that in a second you’re honestly a dunce.

13 Sep 2018 06:27:20
but adding panarin with Jones and adding laine and trouba is close, with some small details,

13 Sep 2018 11:13:29
You guys drastically underate Jones. Jones=Dahlin value wise.

13 Sep 2018 14:35:39
Haha jets fans are funny, when y’all turn into Toronto?

11 Sep 2018 23:36:11
Columbus trades:
Panarin

Leafs Trade:
The Stanley Cup (if they don't win it then Columbus can have Panarin back and the Pacific Ocean so there is a body of water for Panarin, yay)

12 Sep 2018 02:35:56
Okay lol.

12 Sep 2018 02:56:54
This is how I feel about some of the Panarin trades I read.

12 Sep 2018 03:48:18
I thought these comments had to be vetted or something? How this get through?

12 Sep 2018 04:57:03
Well panarin would be instantly best wing on most teams, they dony come cheap top winger on leafs with all their talant at forward.

03 Sep 2018 22:12:08
Jackets trade: Panarin, Murray

Islanders trade: Lee, Pulock

What do you guys think?

04 Sep 2018 02:10:57
Terrible.

04 Sep 2018 03:56:14
Wtf is your problem even posting this.

04 Sep 2018 03:56:28
Lol sorry was rude there. This is just bad.

04 Sep 2018 14:54:58
thats pretty close I like it, especially the part where lee+pulock wouldn't even get you panarin much less adding murray.

04 Sep 2018 21:20:43
columbus downgrades in both positions, although you already knew that didn't you.

05 Sep 2018 04:36:22
Actually they don't downgrade on defence pulock is a way better piece then murray.

31 Aug 2018 06:33:30
Blue jackets: Panarin

Rangers: Chytil + Hajek + 2nd

Fair?

31 Aug 2018 15:30:12
When he apparently only wants to go to a cpl cities, that limits the ask. And if you know he is coming back next year, that’s not terrible. However he doesn’t have a NTC and another team may be okay trading for him for a single year and be able to offer more.

31 Aug 2018 16:47:53
He apperently really wants to be a NYR anyways. I do t think NYT should trade their best prospect for one year of him then probably resign him anyways.
The other cities/ teams Panarin is interested in is said to be NYI, TB, FLO, DAL, LAK. I actually think the Rangers will sign him as a UFA myself for some reason.

31 Aug 2018 18:03:48
Jim if another team trades better quality for a year of Panarin yikes for that team haha but I know what you’re saying and ya yup I guess he could sign next year as a UFA that’s very true.

31 Aug 2018 19:41:47
Yeah, obviously paying more than this for one year of service would be risky as hell. But it’s 2 good, not great, prospects and a 2nd rounder. For an elite point per game Player who is still only like 25 or 26, it’s possible someone pony’s up more.

31 Aug 2018 23:26:48
Rangers are rebuilding, why would they do this?

31 Aug 2018 23:31:44
@Jim

Actually, Chytils highly regarded as of now. he's ranked as the rangers #1 prospect by some, even over Andersson (which i find surprising), despite the fact that he was a reach in the 2017 draft. I think he's a solid prospect, and imo this deal woukd be more than enough to get Panarin. Idk if anyone woukd be willing to pony up more than this for the single yesr tho.

01 Sep 2018 00:16:12
I’m sorry but this is dumb Chytil is one of the top prospects in the nhl and the rangers are no where near contention. Yes it makes sense from a Paniran POV as long term he wants to be a ranger. But the reality is the blue Jackets are a contender and could use Paniran as their own rental for a cup run while the rangers will be in the race for Jack Hughes. In the 2019 offseason the rangers as of right now will acquire Paniran via UFA but if you believe the rangers will trade for Panarin especially without a extension you don’t know what you’re talking about. Value wise Chytil is not a prospect you trade for a rental.

16 Aug 2018 14:27:33
Columbus Trades
Panarin

Toronto Trades
Connor Brown
Rasanen (KHL)
1st Round Pick 2019
1st Round Pick 2020*
2nd Round Pick 2020

*Conditional Pick only if Panarin resigns with the Leafs.

As a one Season rental I believe getting a 3rd line 2 way winger in Brown, a good prospect in Rasanen, plus a 1st and 2nd Round Pick in 2019 and 2020 plus a possible extra 1st Round Pick in 2020 is plenty enough to get Panarin, I will probably get backlash again on here but really it's honestly fair and helps both Teams in the big picture.

Thoughts ?

16 Aug 2018 15:05:18
How does it help Columbus? They want to win. why would they give up a guy who scored a point per game for depth and future picks? They will keep Panarin unless they get a solid top-6 forward back, that will contribute to the team now. Which now of these do.

Pinball you get backlash because the trades you propose only make the Leafs better, not the other team. You’re not terrible at determining value, but you need to look at trades from the perspective of both teams.

16 Aug 2018 15:18:14
I guess I don’t see why you always post the same, or very similar proposals all the time. The leafs are not resigning any high end forward not named Matthews, Marner and Nylander. They should keep Brown unless he’s involved in a deal for a defenseman. If Toronto decides to add another scoring threat it will be for this year only. I’m guessing the right deal is not available for a defenseman right now. Please make some new proposals instead of looking for approval from people who are sick of the garbage. Then come back hours later tweaking the same stuff. You’ve been back for a week and it’s getting old already.

16 Aug 2018 15:19:11
ProDepth the problem the Jackets have with Panarin is he will probably walk as a UFA after this Season, if he is locked for even 2yrs than yes it's not enough to get a Top Forward like Panarin, but Columbus needs to move forward for the now and future, I am sure the Islanders are kicking themselves for not getting anything for Tavares and Columbus must have that at the back of there mind, will Columbus win the Cup this coming Season, probably not so keeping Panarin is a step backwards, I made this proposal because Panarin is a rental and in the end is probably going either to a Florida Team or Chicago as a UFA.

16 Aug 2018 15:19:36
Stopppppppp posting crap like this over and over and over and over again.

16 Aug 2018 15:55:29
Keeping Panarin helps them more then this deal does. If they keep Panarin and make a deep run in the playoffs (they had a 3-1 lead on The eventual cup winners; and their team is very young) then maybe Panarin considers resigning or they give the city a playoff run they’ve never experienced.

If they make this trade, the blue jackets become significantly worse (Panarin was a lot of their offence) and none of the pieces coming back will likely be difference makers, and Brown is the only asset that is a safe bet to contribute to the team.

There’s a reason people disagree with your proposals, stop trying to change everyone’s mind.

16 Aug 2018 16:14:42
Again, CLB will be able to get at least this much at the deadline if they decide to trade Panarin. So, they're better off just playing him until then and getting the same assets at the deadline rather than doing the Leafs a favour and sending him to Toronto now.

16 Aug 2018 16:35:13
On top of why would CBJ do it, and other teams would be in the bidding, every trade you make is stacking depth players on depth players.

Championship teams have familiar depth players playing important roles. Lars Eller, Jacob Vrana, even Alex Chiasson on the caps, and Bryan Rust and Carl haglins on the pens. No other team is going to value them as much as their own team. They are not going to fetch you a lot in a trade but they know the system, they know the style of game you want them to play and they can go up and down a lineup while not taking much cap space

Those are Brown, Hyman, Kapanen and Johnsson for us. You aren’t going to get panarin by trading them, but your team has a better chance of going deep or even winning with Matthews, marner, Nylander and those 4 than you do just adding panarin at the expense of your depth.

This one you only have giving up one of them, but I think this offer gets beat.

17 Aug 2018 09:52:02
Maybe try even more quantity instead of quality? lol.

18 Aug 2018 03:09:52
Just cause panarin probably doesn't want to signing clb doesn't mean they want to give him away for spare parts, they start at top 6 winger and go from there, not a bunch of futures, plus those 1st round picks would be late anyway so not sure things by any means.

11 Sep 2018 22:53:43
If Panarin is traded to Toronto, it’s going to involve something coming back to them that they can use in the playoffs, Rasanen could just be a throw in
It would involve getting a guy like Gardiner if Murray doesn’t do well so they can solidify the top 4 or/ and a young guy who will improve like Kapanen
Yes you would have to add some stuff to that, like a first, but it’s a start and something the jackets could use to at least get past the first round.

14 Aug 2018 00:12:45
Columbus Trades
Panarin
3rd Round Pick 2019

Toronto Trades
Gardiner
Connor Brown
1st Round Pick 2019

Thoughts ?

14 Aug 2018 02:38:38
Columbus doesn't want or need Gardiner. It weakens the trade by including Gardiner.

They will want a Kapanen or Johnsson type prospect +.

14 Aug 2018 02:46:28
Let it go Pinball. Try and get Muzzin ect.

14 Aug 2018 05:20:17
I kinda disagree Columbus needs another puck mover on defence. I also think Gardiner gets a bad rap. He has warts in his game but he can advance the puck.

14 Aug 2018 12:57:17
I have gotten it's not enough for Panarin etc, so I added Gardiner and took out Rasanen and Joshua and still mostly get not good enough.
If Columbus is in a win now attitude how is this proposal not in this Trade, Gardiner got 52 points in 82 games last year which is a Top pairing defence with Seth Jones, Werenski and Ryan Murray drop down to give the Jackets a Top Defense in the NHL, Connor Brown isn't Panarin but is still a very good 2 way winger that fits in with what the Jackets have now, and swapping a 1st Rounder for a 3rd Rounder should be enough, yes the Leafs will have to go out and get a Faulk or Spurgeon but that's easier right now than getting a difference maker in Panarin.

14 Aug 2018 13:48:02
Pinball It's not always about value but needs Toronto doesn't need Panarin as of rn that is the big issue (at least IMO )
don't get me wrong he is a great player but Toronto has him in spades practically what toronto needs is rather vets that can help out in depth FWD roles or top-4 D.

15 Aug 2018 17:35:47
The only defenceman better than gardiner right now is Jones (one of the best in the league), werenski is going to better than gardiner i'm sure but you can't say that columbus can't use a 50 pt puck moving dman. having werenski+jones on the first line with gardiner+murray/ savard on the 2nd pair is an amazing top 4.
Connor brown makes almost ever top 9 in the league and is a really good two way player. and then there's the most likely late 1st. The team doesn't get much worse and gains a 1st

Thats a decent return for a pending ufa. ugh I don't like defending pinball.

16 Aug 2018 00:35:46
If Gardiner is a 50 point D man then Werenski is a 47 point D. Columbus doesn’t need Gardiner, yeah he’d be nice to have but I don’t think Columbus is desperate enough yet to have him as the main piece for Panarin. Werenski and Murray as there top 4 left D is solid they don’t need Gardiner or Murray playing 3rd pair.

 
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