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15 Aug 2018 07:14:03
Given skinners trade value, maybe the new owner also doesn’t value Faulk too much.

Oil: Benson + 2nd + 4th

Carolina: Faulk

If this is comparable to the Skinner trade maybe Carolina considers it.

15 Aug 2018 13:01:51
Not enough at all for Faulk

15 Aug 2018 14:04:13
And you slam me #McJesusChrist for my posts?
Not even close for Faulk.

15 Aug 2018 14:11:24
I’m sure this is a joke related to pinball’s proposals but with Sekera out again, it’s worth a shot. Will Edmonton maybe sign Franson? I might be the only one who still thinks he’s good though, lol.

15 Aug 2018 15:18:38
I think Franson should be playing. He will sign somewhere IMO.

15 Aug 2018 16:39:20
This is so goofy Pinballs package can’t get Nyquist but this can get Faulk? I actually don’t mind this deal btw If Faulk could bring anything valuable back in a trade he would’ve already been move. Obviously every nhl employee and I see that Faulk is a defensive liability and dosent have much value.

15 Aug 2018 18:24:43
Oil should trade there first for Faulk. If it’s reasonable I’d trade more for him. He’s exactly what they need and now that Sekera is down they have an excuse to go for it. I’m not sure if it would work cap wise because they still need to sign Nurse but I’m sure they can make it work.

I’m usually against trading futures for short term solutions but they have McDavid so they can and should be in the playoffs and not thinking about the future.

15 Aug 2018 20:14:43
I am not sure I would givr that much up for Faulk. -109 on his career.

15 Aug 2018 20:26:55
Oilers should be in on Faulk for sure. I don’t get Chiarelli. He has had no problem making bold moves before (hall, eberle, getting Reinhart, even dealing Yakopov) and then this one seems so obvious and shouldn’t be nearly the cost of those and he seems to be dragging his feet finding the RH puck mover. Is it that he’s more cautious and reluctant because the last few haven’t worked out? Or just not interested? Hard to say.

15 Aug 2018 23:59:03
What a joke for Faulk. Wishful thinking. If Faulk is so bad, why would Edmonton trade for him?

16 Aug 2018 01:31:39
😉🤷🏼‍♂️.

16 Aug 2018 01:33:52
Jim agree with you idk what is wrong with Chiarelli. I for sure thought oil would make a move on Duclair and the fact he signed for 650k blew me away.

16 Aug 2018 14:51:03
If he isn’t so bad why wouldn’t they have traded for him yet? He’s on the block.

16 Aug 2018 14:52:17
It seems like he only wants to do these massive deals that are going to be okay if they work out, and terrible when they go wrong. Like that hall one, if everything went his way, it might be close to even, but he would never win that trade. Same with eberle. It was either close to even or a massive loss. His risk/ reward gauge is terrible lol like you said Duclair would have been such low risk at that price. Skinner would have been a chance for him to hit a homerun at that price. So confusing.

11 Aug 2018 16:24:57
Carolina Trades
Faulk

Toronto Trades
Leivo
Holl (AHL)
7th Round Pick 2019
2nd Round Pick 2020

Leafs as everyone knows looking for that RHanded Pairing Defenceman for Rielly.
Leivo is the Canes 4th Line RWinger with McGinn and Martinook and finally gets to play regularly, Holl is the 7th Defenceman and deserves to be in the NHL at this stage.
Canes add to there future Drafts with 2 extra 2nd Round Picks for 2019 and 2020.
Good Trade for both Teams.

Thoughts ?

11 Aug 2018 17:14:32
If RHD Holl is so close at 26 years old, why hasn't he cracked the Leafs weak right side defense? Levio at best is a 4th line player and with the picks this package just doesn't add up to getting Faulk.

11 Aug 2018 18:42:35
Pinball you’re going to give me an aneurism soon.

11 Aug 2018 19:29:40
You don’t even try do you pinball? Does that sound fair to you. A bunch of maybe’s for a top 4 RH d man.

11 Aug 2018 20:00:13
I’d do Horton or the Rights to Kessels retained salary for Faulk but that’s about it. He does not fit with the leafs at all.

11 Aug 2018 20:42:33
Idk Skinner was a Top 2 LWinger for Carolina and they got squat for him.
On Carolina's Right Side you have.
Hamilton
Pesce
TVR
Faulk is expendable at this point.
Left Side
deHaan
Slavin
HFluery
Believe me everyone with the Canes GM players like Skinner and Faulk can be traded for without top assets.

12 Aug 2018 07:20:51
Legit a 2nd and complete spare parts for a top4 RHD.

Leivo, Holl and the 7th combined prolly get a 4th and 6th, lol.

12 Aug 2018 15:06:53
Welp, I just got dumber bu reading this nonsense. thanks pinball, you have to be a troll or just really low iq.

12 Aug 2018 15:33:58
Scraps for a good defenseman? That's really bad, thought it must be a joke until you defended it, check out the agrees, ya, everyone else is crazy, it's not you.

12 Aug 2018 22:58:35
Carolina laughs value wise, not even close.

On the other side, I’ve said 100 times, I just don’t see why people want Faulk on riellys right side. Rielly has become a much more rounded player but is still far from a defensive force. Faulk is all offense. I truly believe if Faulk was on Toronto’s radar, they would have had him before the draft. We have seen how low the canes were willing to sell on Skinner and leafs would have traded there 25th pick in June for Faulk if the fitness there. I think leafs management also sees that he isn’t the guy to make the team better. He would be great for a team that needs to move the puck up or needs a QB for the PP. With Rielly, Gardiner and Dermott, we’re covered.

07 Aug 2018 20:18:00
So I posted a Leafs-Canes trade for Pesce a few days ago but I thought up a more revised version of the potential deal.

To TOR:
Brett Pesce

To CAR:
Jake Gardiner
Kasperi Kapanen
Garrett Sparks
2019 1st Round Pick

TOR gets a big, young, right-handed, defense-oriented D-man who's on a reasonable deal for many years.

CAR really shores up their offense (an area of weakness for them) with Gardiner (50+ point D-man), they add a young, high-skill forward in Kapanen, they get a top goaltending prospect in Sparks (another area in which they aren't necessarily strong) and a 1st round pick to boot.

Thoughts?

07 Aug 2018 20:54:42
Lol @ Sparks= “ top goaltending prospect “.

07 Aug 2018 22:12:23
Its Gardiner's first season with over 50 pts in his 7 year nhl career. You can't just throw-in (50 point d-man) if he just reached that once.

08 Aug 2018 00:16:27
@vb You're right, he's not a "top prospect" but on a team like Carolina, he'd easily become the backup to Darling and potentially even become the starter over time if given the starts.

@Crazy You're also correct however, the point I was trying to make with that was that Gardiner is great offensively, he ranks 30th among defensemen in terms of points over the past 5 seasons, a lot of which were with the Leafs at the dead bottom (or close to it) of the standings. He's only had less than 30 points in 1 FULL season of his career and so, the 52 points he had the last season really is the cherry on top in terms to his offensive game and on a team that doesn't have very many major offensive threats like Carolina, that goes a long way.

08 Aug 2018 02:26:39
Pesce best season is 20 points and was only a plus in 3 seasons once he's not worth a first let alone adding all the players. Its more than leaf fans who are delerious on here.

08 Aug 2018 06:20:07
I guess you obviously never heard of Alex Nedejkovic

@Just a leafs fan

He’s their future in net.

09 Aug 2018 17:46:03
Its easy to hit disagree on my comment but at least back it up.

09 Aug 2018 19:55:51
@ carnyslop

I agree he's not worth all those players but I would say he's worth more then just a mid-late 1st as he is used against other teams top lines and shuts them down well and is also young with a good contract I see something around TOR first and Kapanen would be a good deal for both teams.

07 Aug 2018 02:48:57
What do you think. Leafs 1st rounder going to be low IMO.

Most low firsts similar to high 2nds.

Gardiner+1st 2019

Faulk

Toronto gains an extra year of conteol on faulk that they wouldn't have on Gardiner. after this season Gardiner is going to be asking for 6years around 6milper. Which Toronto Cannot do. Carolina can. that immediately saves toronto around 1.2 mil off the top on next years cap where mattews . marners . and nylanders contracts are all active.

They can then Pair Faulk with Reilly on the. top pairing finally take Hainey get him qith carrick lr zaitsev on the 2nd or 3rd pair.

thoughts?

07 Aug 2018 05:16:54
All depends how leafs view Dermotts readiness for a bigger role. Right now Rielly and Gards on the left and only zaitsev as a natural RHD in the top 4. So this shifts that problem form R to L. If dermott steps up to take Gardiners spot which is possible, then it helps. But to be honest, Faulk isn’t the guy we need. He’s an upgrade on the RS, but I’d rather a really solid 2 way or just defensive guy to be Riellys long time partner. I think Rielly is good enough and smart enough that they could reign him into be the more stable guy beside Faulk as the rusher, but I think it’s better to leave Rielly doing what he’s become comfortable with and find him that Marc Methot type guy.

07 Aug 2018 05:23:48
Also I don’t think the pick needs to be a 1st to make up the difference but all depends how much they value the year of control. Gardiner might not interest Carolina withe their D already good enough to make Faulk expendable and if I were trading a top 4 d with a great cap hit plus a first, I’d want more than a top 4 D with a slightly higher cap hit back.

07 Aug 2018 10:36:54
Have you looked at Gardiners career stats compared to Faulks? Gardiners stats are much bwtter. No way they give extra.

07 Aug 2018 13:22:56
I think that's slightly misleading. Gardiner didn't turn a corner to score a round Faulks career average in points until about 2 years ago when the leafa forward corps really took off. And his points are assost driven. Faulk on the other hand is a goal scorer who had a down year this year, which was only 6 points lower than his career norm and would have tied Gardiner career high pre Mathews and Marner. Gardiner doesn't have better career numbers, Gardiner has better numbers since he got to work with Mathews Marner Nylander and Marleau and Faulks top forward was Skinner? And no real other offensive threat to help compliment him. Gardiner likely better on D, although ill be honest i'm not sure by how much or how to quantify it reliably. Faulk has extra year of control, right handed, and probably puts up better numbers than Gardiner if playing with the same level of offensive talent around him. that's why i personally would give Faulk more value than Gardiner, not sure how much more though. Regardless Carolina will he looking for forwards in a Faulk deal.

07 Aug 2018 14:10:50
Or is it because he is a leaf jbs? I could argue that throughout there careers Faulk has played on a better all round team. The leafs even though being good offensively are still wrak defensively. Gardiner is minus 10 in his career. Faulk is minus 109.

07 Aug 2018 14:42:37
@jbs. Fair enough. I didn’t say Gardiner is better. Said Faulk isn’t the right fit. Also o don’t believe the difference between them either way (whoever you feel is better) is a 1st rounder. That’s all.

07 Aug 2018 16:40:42
Faulk to Toronto just isn’t a good idea no Matter how you spin it. We need the exact opposite type of player.

08 Aug 2018 00:45:53
Look Cherry, I take offense to your comment. I am not a Leaf hater, I am just looking at facts. I have stated before how I think the Leafs D is better than people give credit, and I gthink a big part of that is people discounting Gardiner. Carolina has not been a better offensive team than Toronto since Gardiner came into the league. They were above Toronto in goals scored once, and it was by 4 goals. Faulk, however, has been above Gardiner in goals and points every year until the Leafs hit it big with Mathews and Marner, two players the likes of which Faulk has never been able to play with. +/ - is a team stat, when your team can't score you will look bad. When your goalie puts up 7 straight below average save % seasons, your +/ - will look bad no matter what you do defensively. I am not saying Faulk is a great defensive player, but his minus numbers are similar to Gardiners before Mathews Marner and Freddie came along as well. I don't disagree with people saying Leafs need a more defensive minded D, but Faulk isn't some scrub who can't hold Gardiners jock strap, and saying an extra cheap season, of a more offensively talented, RHD is more valuable really is not some big crazy hot take. I look stuff up before I post comparing players, I like to speak from an informed opinion, and try to look at more than just what's on paper as well. But I do not discredit a player based on the jersey they wear.

08 Aug 2018 20:40:29
My apologies jbs, just used to people overrating and underating other players strictly based on the jersey they wear. I do still disagree with you rating Faulk higher but I guess that is personal opinion. If you look at Pesce and Slavins stats they are plus players while Faulk is far into the negative so I think that negates the argument of the Carolina goalie being bad. I guess we have to agree to disagree. don't get me wrong though, neither will win any defensive awards.

Sorry if I offended you.

08 Aug 2018 23:26:21
I agree with you though doncherry. The only way that a guy with the same team around him should have that far worse +/ - is when he has to play against the top lines all the time and it’s obviously a lot tougher. But at home Bill Peters puts Slavin/ pesce out against top lines whenever he can because he has last change. Most of the time that Faulk faces top lines would be on the road and it’s because the home teams coach has identified he wants his top line against Faulk instead of Slavin/ pesce. I don’t dislike Faulk, he’s good at what he does and would be a great add to quite a few teams. But Toronto isn’t one of them.

09 Aug 2018 03:56:03
I overreacted so i apologize for that i just try hard to look at things from an unbiased stand point and have a ton of respect for how the Leafs have turned things around so quick. I won't argue Faulk is a better player than Gardiner because i don't think that's true, its just the other factors i stated above that i believe give him more trade value. I don't think anyone would argue slavin and pesce are top pair players and they were only +1 last year, which i feel proves my point on +/ -. Faulk isn't a great D player just likely not as abysmal as given credit.

07 Aug 2018 02:39:53
Its No Secret Toronto needs to Upgrade their Defence.

They should be doing this by any means Neccisary. And by not moving Mattews,Marner, or nylander .

Toronto IS going to be finishing high in the standings i'm decently confident on that. if there was ever a year to go for it this is it.
Trade that first round pick . Package it with Gardiner And Solidify the blueline.

Toronto Trades:
Jake Gardiner
1st Round Pick

Carolina Trades
Justin Faulk

It would be a +800k added to torontos cap . They also get a HUGE extra year of control out of faulk at a cheap 4.8M they woukdnt have with gardiner. On gardiners new deal he's going to want in the vacinity of 6M per on a 5-6 year minimum deal. which the leafs just can't do.

I think then taking Hainsey off the top pairing . and Pairing Faulk with Reilly, then moving Hainsey down with Carrick or Zaitsev. on the second or third pairing. I think that would really help not only solify their roster but help long term as well.

07 Aug 2018 06:43:12
Necessary*.

07 Aug 2018 22:31:21
Carolina needs wingers they are not just going to gift Toronto a better defenseman for a late 1st and Gardiner, try trading Nylander or marner for a stud dman.

06 Aug 2018 13:39:17
Carolina Trades
Faulk

Toronto Trades
Leivo
Holl (AHL)
2ND Round Pick 2019

The Caine's gave Skinner away for next to nothing maybe they bite on this..

Thoughts ?

06 Aug 2018 14:24:40
I would also add a 3RD Round Pick 2020 to make it similar to the Skinner Trade.

06 Aug 2018 14:39:18
Carolina can keep Faulk while the value may not be bad.

06 Aug 2018 17:54:57
These guys are 25 and 26 years old. Not sure why Carolina would want them as they have much better younger players that can fill any need those guys could. so essentially it's a 2nd for faulk and eventhough I'm not a huge fan of faulk he should get more then that. But it is don Waddell we are talking about here.

07 Aug 2018 02:54:12
There is such thing as a salary cap. Toronto can't just keep adding salary with term and expect to not create. log jam. They would have to give up Gardiner in any trade involving Faulk. Carolina would much prefer nylander. then toronto would have to sweeten the pot then add a 1st .

Making it
Gardiner and a 1st

For Faulk

toronto does add 800k this season but that's ok. its next season they're worried about. By not having to resign gardiner they actually save money next year .

This really makes to much sense not 5o have been atleast considered by toronto.

07 Aug 2018 04:52:27
Leafs have close to 15 million in Cap this Season. Nylander probably signs for 6 million a year like Ellers in Winnipeg then at the start of the Season you put Horton and his 5.3 million on LTIR and there is close to 9 million in Cap. Yes the Leafs can add to what they have even after Nylander is signed. So #DJP117 look up there Cap Space and see where the Leafs are at. They have plenty of Cap Space.

07 Aug 2018 05:21:00
Pinball he means because Faulk is into next season too. Meaning that $9mill + the few mill that come off the books from hainsey etc is going to be spent on Matthews and marners raises. They’re ont have $4.5mill or whatever extra unless they are letting gardiners 4.05 mill walk.

07 Aug 2018 10:49:31
Faulk is minus 109 on his career. Not what Toronto needs. Rather keep Gardiner.

07 Aug 2018 13:28:29
+/ - is a terrible stat that is influenced by his teammates that have not been good since he got there and a goalie that posted below average save percentages for 7 straight seasons. In fact i believe Carolina gave up on of the fewest amounts of shots in the league but were bottom 6 in goals against.

07 Aug 2018 14:39:19
So Slavin and Pesce, who both had the same goaltender for the last few years are both plus hockey players. So Ward only played bad in front of Faulk?

07 Aug 2018 15:54:03
Yeah, the stats do point towards Faulks defensive lapses. I think it’s more likely that ward/ darling/ whoever struggled to stop pucks more with Faulk on the ice because he gave up better scoring chances against than it is likely thatthebhoalies just played better every shift the other pairing came over the boards. Faulk is a great skater and has some skills built for today game, but he’s not the guy for the leafs unless they get a really solid Defensive player to pair him with.

03 Aug 2018 23:06:19
Okay so with the Skinner trade happening, it becomes even more clear that Carolina needs forwards over anything as their defense is already stacked with talent. The Leafs can help them with this predicament.

To TOR:
Brett Pesce

To CAR:
Kasperi Kapanen
Andreas Johnsson
Connor Carrick
2019 1st Round Pick

Pesce is signed to a great deal for many years to come and so he will not pose a problem to the Leafs cap wise. He is also young, big and right-handed so he can fit perfectly into our D-core. He will definitely help bolster our game in the D-zone allowing our other more offense-oriented D-men to be more free and get the puck up to our forwards.

CAR gets 2 excellent young NHL-level forward prospects, a RHD to fill the slot left by Pesce and a 1st round pick as a big bonus in case they don't make the playoffs this year.

Thoughts?

04 Aug 2018 01:25:09
That could probably get Trouba!

04 Aug 2018 01:43:51
@madeindade,
One or two of those pieces could be a throw in to a Trouba deal, but none would be considered as the main piece.

04 Aug 2018 03:47:26
I’ll take Pesce over Trouba all day and no from Carolina.

04 Aug 2018 13:39:11
I'm seeing 2 1st round pick and 2 2nd round picks, 3 of which will be under control for the foreseeable future. Toronto gets the defense they are looking for, Carolina gets their cheap offense they have been looking for. I think it would be accepted by both teams and fit them perfectly.

04 Aug 2018 14:30:12
Slavin and Pesce is Carolina’s top line and they’re very effective so I doubt they’d break it up. They’d probably ask for Nylander and then the leafs would decline.

05 Aug 2018 18:25:35
There’s zero chance that gets you Trouba. Jets have no need for extra “bubble” prospects. You’d need to start with Liljegren, a 1st Round Pick and still add from there.

06 Aug 2018 18:57:42
I think Canes are building D-core around Slavin, Pesce and Hamilton.

Don't see them moving any of them. More likely to move Faulk.

I think it would take a more significant piece to build a package around to get Pesce and even then Canes may be unwilling to let him go.

31 Jul 2018 04:44:20
The Toronto Maple Leafs trade (C) William Nylander to the Carolina Hurricanes in exchange for (RD) Justin Faulk.

The Toronto Maple Leafs also acquire (LD) TJ Brodie from the Calgary Flames in exchange for a (2019) 1st-Round Pick and (RW) Connor Brown.

The Toronto Maple Leafs then send (LD) Jake Gardiner to the Edmonton Oilers in exchange for (C) Ryan Strome.


Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Marleau - Matthews - Kapanen
Johnsson - Kadri - Strome
Ennis - Lindholm - Leivo

Rielly - Faulk
Brodie - Zaitsev
Carrick - Hainsey

31 Jul 2018 06:14:24
I’d do Nylander to Carolina for the rights to never have Faulk wear a leafs jersey, causing turnovers, goals and producing almost no offence.

Faulk would not bring back Nylander. The day Faulk wears a leafs jersey is the day I hop on the oilers bandwagon.

31 Jul 2018 13:31:42
1) Faulk must have banged VBBs mom at some point

2) would not trade Nylander for Faulk

3) the Brodie one is probably close in value, but I wouldn’t do it. Not the kind of upgrade I would want for that price.

4) Hell no lol just because Chirelli took strome back as value for a top 6 forward doesn’t mean anyone else thinks he’s worth a 50 pt top 4 D. One GM screwing the pooch on a trade does not create a new league wide value for that player. If chiarellis trades set league values, oilers should trade Larson to Colorado for Nate Mackinnon and a pick. Because Larson is worth a Hart trophy winning forward and Mackinnon finished second.

31 Jul 2018 14:11:46
Ohh my I just saw the Strome for Gardiner Trade that’s horid Gardiner out produced Strome as a Dman.

31 Jul 2018 15:14:33
Leafs get worse.

31 Jul 2018 20:52:38
2017/ 2018 Vezina trophy voting:
Rinne - 129 votes
Hellebuyck - 82
Vasilevsky - 21
F. Anderson - 12

2016/ 2017 Vezina voting:
Bobrovsky - 138
Holtby - 87
Price - 19
Talbot - 17

Talbot >> Anderson.

31 Jul 2018 21:50:17
Did I miss something yupp? Was there a Talbot/ Andersen debate somewhere? I’d love to see how that plays out.

31 Jul 2018 22:13:16
Hahaha. Ya that was the post below to Jims comment ranking Leafs players and mentioning Anderson and his 4th in Vezina voting. So I figure I would also just mention the previous 4th in vezina voting. Entertaining myself. 🍻🍻🍻.

31 Jul 2018 23:00:45
Wrong post but regardless, I’m not comparing players from team to team. Saying a goalie in the running for a Vezina, even though a distant 4th, could be considered more valuable than our own winger.

I guess you still get touchy when someone mentions Chiarelli though lol Strome for eberle, woof. Sorry just entertaining myself 😉.

01 Aug 2018 02:49:35
i liked getting rid of Eberle. Strome was never supposed to take over his role. But once the season started and Puljujarvi wasn't ready to take on Eberles role and Yamamoto went back down after his 9 games. PC should have made a deal for a winger then, had the cap space. That's what I would criticize him for.
Don't act like your team hasn't ever made and bad moves or signings. Lol. Jeez.
Phanuef, Lupul, Clarkson, Kessel, Robidas.

PC should have also traded for a D man when he knew Sekera would be out until December. Instead Aubutu and Benning weren't good enough to handle a full load. That was bad. He should have also traded for a back up goalie when talbot was out and he tried playing someone with less than 20 NHL games on a back to back in Toronto and Montreal in late November.

01 Aug 2018 05:02:44
The leafs current manegment hasn’t made any of those signings.

01 Aug 2018 13:45:47
Ohhhh you're absolutely right. The almighty Leafs are gods and you're not a homer.

01 Aug 2018 15:46:55
This management team is the one that made all those bad moves go away lol not make them. As where Chiarelli is the guy making the bonehead moves :

hall for Larson, eberle for Strome, 1st (barzal) and 2nd for Reinhart, Lucic contract, paid Draisaitl $34 mill more than his agent asked for 12 months earlier

He traded a 1st and 2nd (one becoming barzal) for 2012 4th overall Reinhart who had played 8 NHL games and never made their team. Then Yakupov is a bust and has to go with 110+ pts in 250 nhl games at the same age lol and he gets a 3rd rounder in return!

and he’s still the guy there allowed to call the shots and unable to get out from under a single bad contract in Lucic. Dorian and Bergevin are given a hard time, and rightfully so, but to be honest, the difference between them and Chiarelli in Connor Mcdavid.

01 Aug 2018 18:07:17
Oilers need to let go of Chareli he was fired from Boston for a good reason they should target Mark Hunter he made debatably the biggest dynasty in the mordern CHL with the London knights. Also the only bad move that the new leafs manegment made was Stephan Robidias. But it wasn’t that bad.

02 Aug 2018 04:11:02
Yeah lol leafs got out of Lupul, phaneuf, robidas, Clarkson and kessel, retaining a total of $1.2 mill per season and have kapanen, Andersen, Calvin pickard, Eemeli Rasanen (19 year old 6’7 d prospect) still with us to show for those deals (plus Nathan Horton of course lol)

Don’t think this management has a lot to apologize for. Leafs have added 5 of their top 7 players under this regime. (Matthews (handed to them), marner, JT, Andersen and Nylander)

Since Chiarelli took over, the only players he has upgraded is Mcdavid (handed to him) and trading for talbot. Besides that, he inherited RNH, Klefbom and Draisatl, and massively downgraded Hall and Eberle.

We let players walk to UFA that would be better than anyone he has managed to acquire in 3 years on the job.

26 Jul 2018 21:48:22
Thought i would toss an idea out.
There was a post earlier about Panarin being traded to Toronto, but in the end - not really what Toronto is looking for.
What if you bring in Carolina? Panarin to Carolina, Caronina sends maybe Hanafin to Toronto and Columbus would receive Brown, Leivo, 2nd (toronto), 3rd (Car)...

Columbus gets a speedy young forward in brown, a depth forward (i think Leivo has good potential for a 3rd line) and a 1st and 3rd.
Toronto gets Hanafin on their blue line.
Carolina gets a great winger to help up front with the team. Carolina probably wants more...

Just a thought - dig in gents.

27 Jul 2018 00:38:25
Hanfin is on Calargry.

27 Jul 2018 01:13:35
Hannifin was traded to Calgary.
That's not enough from Toronto for him anyways.

27 Jul 2018 02:00:51
U do know hanifin is a flame now...

27 Jul 2018 02:20:36
Hanafin no longer plays for Carolina.

27 Jul 2018 02:40:11
Should we bring in Calgary as well then?

Turkey.

27 Jul 2018 02:49:20
Hanifin plays for the flames my dude

27 Jul 2018 03:02:52
the idea of trading brown and leivo and picks for hanafin is a good one, from leafs perspective. although i'd trade kap over brown, i like brown.

too bad hanafin is on the flames though.

27 Jul 2018 03:11:41
Hey Turkey . Hanafin has been traded to the Flames .

27 Jul 2018 03:22:28
Hanifin is on Calgary already bud but I’ll continue with the proposal and I’d say easy no from Carolina.

27 Jul 2018 03:37:53
Hanifin went to Calgary in the douggie Hamilton trade. Even if you switched him for some other defender (pesce/ slavin come to mind) I don't think brown Leivo 2nd 3rd would be enough because defenders are valued at a premium. Also Panarin doesn't want to to resign in Carolina.

27 Jul 2018 19:13:36
Lol, i shouldn't post after i have been drinking.
Anyways, base of the idea was to bring in a 3rd team that would have some defense to put into the mix to send to Toronto and have a need for Panarin on the front end.

27 Jul 2018 19:40:21
How we gunna work Calgary in to get hanifin.

28 Jul 2018 07:41:14
Even if CAR still had Hanifin, no way Brown and Leivo get Hanifin lol.

23 Jul 2018 23:32:09
TOR: Nylander
CAR: Faulk

24 Jul 2018 04:14:23
Would rather buyout Nylander then see Gardiner and Faulk on the same team. Especially Faulk atleast Gardiner can QB a PP.

24 Jul 2018 05:09:32
Wtf Faulk is a PP QB guy what are you saying? I don’t understand why you hate on Faulk he’s a great player who had a down year.

24 Jul 2018 05:12:44
Faulk just isn't the type of D-man we need. We can get more offensive D-men like him straight from the Marlies and keep Nylander in the process. We need a D-man that's good in both zones but particularly, in our own zone.

24 Jul 2018 07:54:31
Faulk is better than Gardiner, VB, lol wtf.

24 Jul 2018 15:08:20
Really Faulk is better then Gardiner? Why do stats say otherwise? Please explain.

24 Jul 2018 15:10:52
And he’s extremely overrated Edmonton should get him he’d actually help them and he’s not better on the pp then Rielly and especially not Gardiner. Although he does have a nice shot. I’d actually rather Sekera from Edmonton then Faulk he has been terrible offensively recently.

24 Jul 2018 19:23:49
I don’t understand vbb’s hate for Faulk lol but he’s right that the numbers don’t lie, he’s not better than Gardiner. They’re close but Gardiner has had the edge in the last 2-3 years overall. Faulk is a year or two younger, signed a year longer but at a bit higher salary. Pretty even.

25 Jul 2018 11:35:18
Faulk is I 2 way dman that had a bad year you paid him with Reilly that is better d then you had. I believe leafs should move nylander for Faulk but I think it needs to be a bigger trades.

17 Jul 2018 20:13:33
WPG: Little
CAR: Staal

Jets get a #2 C behind Scheifele to play with Laine and Ehlers. Hurricanes save some over 700K per year plus the new owner can continue to change the teams culture.

17 Jul 2018 20:52:07
Honestly, kind of makes sense to me. The contracts are pretty close, Jordan Staal's is longer and more expensive, but he's younger and bigger than Little (aha) .

Winnipeg could use some size down the middle, especially if they want to dominate the Western Conference.

Just doesn't really make sense for Carolina. I think they're happy with Staal.

17 Jul 2018 21:59:10
Doesn’t make sense for Carolina to make that.

18 Jul 2018 00:44:23
Winnepeg would need to add a winger prospect like Petan + maybe more.

18 Jul 2018 01:43:40
I can't see Carolina making this trade. Stall would be a great #2 center for the Jets but on paper its close as Little is very under-rated.

18 Jul 2018 14:05:12
Staal is a good player, but I don't think his style of play suits Laine and Ehlers.

14 Jul 2018 13:55:39
Roland McKewon (RHD - 745K x 1 Year) to the Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for Josh Leivo (RW - 650K x 1 Year) + 2019 5th Round Selection.

#9Dman on Carolina for #13Forward on Toronto. McKewon could be a #6 in Toronto, Leivo could be a 3rd liner. Both players have had success at the AHL level, and Leivo has 22 points in 57 NHL games. Just a shakeup; the added pick is there for age difference.

14 Jul 2018 15:54:24
I like it from the leafs POV.

14 Jul 2018 16:34:38
If McKewon is better than Carrick, I’m in. I’m not a big fan of Carrick and I really hope Marincin doesn’t play a game in the nhl this year. There has to be a better option then those two.

14 Jul 2018 16:59:25
@Leafs17

McKewon was a former second round pick, and looked decent in Carolina. Played 10 games, got three assists. I think he's less physical than Carrick, but is a slightly better player, plus he's a RHD. Problem for him is he's in Carolina, and even if they trade Faulk they have Dougie, Slavvin, Pesce, Fleury, TVR, Bean and now De Haan ahead of him for the better part of the future. I think he'd be better off on a team that needs defense.

And I’d hate to see Marincin play a game again. I’m sorry, his advanaced stats may be decent, but the eye test says he's beyond awful.

14 Jul 2018 18:20:05
It would be nice to see Leivo given a chance somewhere. He’s had some flashes but can’t seem to make the cut in Toronto. If Marincin’s advanced stats are good, then I think they are overrated. Every game I’ve seen him play he is a liability.

14 Jul 2018 23:36:04
I like the trade as well for both teams.

14 Jul 2018 23:36:35
However potentially could see Carolina wanting better pick than a 5th round along with it.

15 Jul 2018 03:39:55
@MJ

Yeah, could see it too, only counter would be that Leivo has more experience as opposed to McEwon, so he's more likely to be a ‘confirmed’ NHLer as perse. I’d be willing to up the 5th to a 4th tho. A 3rd would be too much imo.

14 Jul 2018 01:41:40
Vancouver- Tanev sutter goldonbin
Carolina - skinner

14 Jul 2018 07:35:30
Too much.

15 Jul 2018 05:52:24
Carolina has no need for tanev, unless he’s going to center the first line. he’d be their 8th defence.

13 Jul 2018 23:25:16
EDM: Puljujärvi, Klefbom, 3rd round pick.

Car: Skinner, Faulk

14 Jul 2018 13:18:11
What makes u think an unproven prospect who is looking like a top 9 forward at this point for and a sub par second pair defensemen gets you a number 3 RHD and a 30+ goal scorer? the third doesn't makes up the difference. Keep your bust.

14 Jul 2018 15:58:51
I actually don’t mind it value wise I think Klef= Faulk but the canes do not need a dman. And Pulj and 3rd= Skinner no from canes because they don’t need Klefbom.

12 Jul 2018 21:50:13
Hawks traded Hossa’s contract to Arizona.

Hawks now have $8.5mill cap space for this season.

Have been talking to habs about paccioretty (1yr $4.5 mill)

And hurricanes about Skinner (1 yr $5.75 mill)

See which way they go.

12 Jul 2018 22:06:43
Don’t forget Panarin apparently he wants to return.

12 Jul 2018 22:46:35
I could see Panarin. I think he was upset when they traded him. Get back on his old line and light it up.

13 Jul 2018 13:34:35
i'd love to see skinner and/ or panarin (again) in a chicago jersey.

14 Jul 2018 07:37:10
Panarin won't fit in their cap plans. Yes, they have 8.5m space but they need to sign at least 3 more F and 1 more D.

14 Jul 2018 16:02:04
They’d need to get creative but it could work.

11 Jul 2018 17:47:17
Blues trade: Fabbri, jaskin

Hurricanes trade: skinner

Schwartz schenn tarasenko
Skinner oreilly Perron
Maroon bozak steen
Barbashev Thomas soshnikov

Edmundson pietrangelo
Gunnarson parayko
Boumeester Dunn

Allen

11 Jul 2018 19:35:06
Cue redwing.

11 Jul 2018 21:29:44
Skinner makes 5.75 mil

Fabbri makes .975
Jaskin makes 1.1 mil

Blues have 3.5 Mil left to sign Edmondson and Schmaltz

So -2 mil for Fabbri Jaskin makes Skinner cost3.75 which is more than blues have and means they lose their #1lhd and #3 Rhd for skinner who is another lhs left wing.

Currently Blues have the following LHS lw
Schwartz
Fabbri
perron
Steen
Maroon

Rather keep edmundson and Fabbri and cap.

06 Jul 2018 04:12:59
If Tampa is trying to acquire Karlsson and keep Core:

TBL:5th round pick
NYR:Ryan Callahan (5.8Mx2)+2nd round pick

TBL:4th round pick
CBJ:Dan Girardi (3Mx1)+6th round pick

TBL:6th round pick
MIN:Brayden Coburn (3.7Mx1)+7th round pick

TBL:2nd round pick+3rd round pick
CAR:Tyler Johnson (5Mx6)

They free up 17.5M assuming they all waive their NTC

Sign and Trade

TBL:Karlsson (11Mx7)
OTT:Foote, Raddysh, Katchouk,2020 1st round pick,2021 2nd round pick

Is this enough for a signed Karlsson?

Next Years Lineup:

Miller-Stamkos-Kucherov
Palat-Point-Gourde
Killorn-Cirelli-Joseph
Conacher-Paquette-Andreoff

Hedman-Karlsson
McDonagh-Stralman
Sergachev-Dotchin

Vasilevskiy
Domingue.

06 Jul 2018 05:16:21
Why would Tampa do a sign and trade and not get 8 years.

06 Jul 2018 05:59:55
Im with Kobalis seems a little too much for giving up their future.. ottawa would need to take back a roster player with a reasonable salary

06 Jul 2018 10:51:06
I agreed on the 8 years and added my own input lol sounded dumb for a sec

06 Jul 2018 13:52:03
Kucherov couldn’t resign ( assuming he won’t take less then Karlsson ) after resigning McDonagh it kinda took away to add a star long term. My guess is he’ll just be a rental.

06 Jul 2018 14:26:04
Not even close for Karlsson. point sergachev and a 1st is a good starting point.

06 Jul 2018 15:19:24
Talks last night was kucherov could be traded elsewhere to make room for Karlsson and also recoup assets used to acquire Karlsson. As a leaf fan, I would be happy to see Tampa get Karlsson if it means lose kucherov. Karlsson is amazing, but with Hedman, McD, stralman and Sergachev, their blueline is already great. If they lose Kuch upfront, I’m much happier facing them. Without Kuch, If stamkos ever gets hurt or sick again, they’re so thin up front. Looking like 2 powerhouses in the Atlantic for years, I’d rather our crazy good forwards and weaker D face a great D core and weak forwards than a team with multiple game breakers up front and on the back end.

06 Jul 2018 15:26:32
Ottawa better insist that Sergachev be in the deal.

06 Jul 2018 15:32:08
On a lot of teams Karlsson can immediately make them twice as good. I don’t think that’s the case with Tampa. If he wants to be there, they should definitely try to make it work, but by the time they lose other good players, and pay assets to dump contracts, I honestly don’t know how much better they are overall. But interesting for sure. Especially if this happens, Karlssons wife will need to re-do a restraining order for the state of Florida because after sending Hoffman 1500miles away, they will be a cpl hours apart again and playing head to head opening night lol.

06 Jul 2018 16:09:40
@Unbiased Jim the idea seems ridiculous Stamkos + Kuch is a ridiculous line I’d rather keep kuch and run with the lineup they have. There team would look very similar to Nashville with Karlsson in- Kuch out.

06 Jul 2018 17:41:01
If they lose kuch just to get karlson they are idiots. I'd sooner trade stamkos then kucherov.

06 Jul 2018 18:04:54
@Habby, agreed. Stacking D is great if you can do it. But look at teams with what’s looked at as the deepest D cores in the league for the last 3-4 years (Calgary, Carolina, Anaheim, Nashville) and what they have accomplished. Only Nashville has had any success to speak of. As where teams with decent-good D cores but multiple game breakers up front (penguins, capitals, bruins, Tampa) have had far more success going deeper or even winning cups.

06 Jul 2018 19:45:15
A team only really need 2-3 really solid defensemen with 3 being okay. They’ll handle all the minutes, it’s at forward is where you need the fire power to keep pressuring and getting those scoring opportunities to win a cup imo need the depth up front for sure.

06 Jul 2018 20:08:24
Yeah if they were lacking on d I could almost see it but they should be ok I would think.

06 Jul 2018 20:10:23
100 point scorers don't exactly grow on trees these days lol.

06 Jul 2018 23:38:05
Only thing that makes sense to me is that Tampa has been the favourite in the division for a while. When leafs added Tavares and all the talk was that teams would have to put their top D on either Matthews or Tavares leaving the other one with an easy night.

Maybe this is yzermans way of responding. Then they can have Karlsson and hedman play together and dominate against the majority of teams and then separate them to match up against Tavares/ Matthews, Baxkstrom/ Kuznetsov and Crosby/ Malkin etc.

05 Jul 2018 18:48:20
Ottawa: Faulk, Skinner, 1st round pick 2019
Carolina: Karlsson

06 Jul 2018 11:05:23
Skinner was in 3 deals at the deadline and blocked them with his NTC. You think he waived for Ottawa?! No way lol they need to just get picks and prospects that can’t be picky about destination and will just be happy to get an opportunity.

08 Jul 2018 05:16:01
Thats too bad, i like skinner. would be a great upgrade over hoffman.

03 Jul 2018 18:08:24
To Dal: Jeff Skinner

To Car: Devin Shore, 2019 2nd, Dillon Heatherington.

03 Jul 2018 19:16:02
Lmao oh god.

03 Jul 2018 06:02:09
Leafs
• (C) Nazem Kadri
Hurricanes
• (D) Justin Faulk

Leafs
• (C) Connor Brown
• (D) Travis Dermott
• (2019) 1st Round-Pick
Wild
• (D) Jonas Brodin


Morgan Rielly - Justin Faulk
Jonas Brodin - Nikita Zaitsev
Jake Gardiner - Ron Hainsey

03 Jul 2018 12:43:10
i like it but i don't think toronto would want to give up dermott.

03 Jul 2018 15:25:08
Not a chance Toronto makes either of those moves. Brutal.

03 Jul 2018 15:40:56
The Kadri for Faulk one makes an ounce of sense but I wouldn’t do it. But Connor brown is a great 3rd lone who can chip in 15-20 goals and kills penalties lock in at 2mill at only 24, dermott at 21 is our brightest light on D on a cheap contract (something we now really need) . That second trade is awful.

03 Jul 2018 16:15:44
Don’t wanna break up that center depth. And as for the 2nd Trade I’d try to switch Brodin with Dumba.

 
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