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21 Aug 2019 17:36:26
Quick News on Puljujarvi

''Over a total of five tweets, Mitchell (Lowetide) effectively says he believes there's an offer on the table from a team like Carolina, Puljujarvi's agent knows it and he's trying to put pressure on to force the Oilers hand to accept the offer. If people in Edmonton hate Puljujarvi just enough not to want him back, perhaps the team will take a trade they don't like just to move the player out''

Wow. I understand that the Oilers screwed up his development, but this is just classless. Having your agent force a trade and what seems to get hate on purpose so he'd get traded is... unbelievable.

If he wants a top 6 role, the Oilers are a perfect fit. They need a bigger winger, and he'll probably play with RHN the entire season simply because there is nobody better. Basically the entire coaching staff is brand new except for Gulutzan.

06 Aug 2019 21:45:55
Carolina:Hamilton


Toronto:Ceci,Lilijegreen,Kapanen

07 Aug 2019 00:21:44
Who is clueless? I think it’s more like VBisclueless is the clueless one. Hamilton has two years left on his contract and doesn’t know how to hit or play defense, Leafs won’t be trading three players, two who are long term assets, for him.

07 Aug 2019 04:16:40
Hockeyfinatic. Liljegren is dog sh**, ceci is dog sh** and Kapanen is decent. Hamilton is worth more than that pathetic excuse of quality

07 Aug 2019 04:42:50
Liljegren is dog****? I know there have been some overvaluations of Leaf players recently, but come on LOL.

07 Aug 2019 06:28:37
Where did you hear Liljegren is crap?
Because 1 or 2 Leaf fans says he is behind on his development?
, defencemen take much longer to develop than forwards.

07 Aug 2019 09:40:39
Liljegren isn't good, Sandin > Liljegren. I've watched him a quite bit. 7th dman in the nhl at best

07 Aug 2019 15:07:01
@sean
Riiiiiiight, because it's not like a 20 year old defenceman will improve and develop or anything. You really think if you watched him play when he was 19 means that you have the credibility to say that his potential is a 7th d-man?

Also, I LOVE how you said Sandin > Liljegren as if that proves Liljegren is bad or something. Sandin is one of the better defence prospects in the NHL. Sandin is better than a lot of prospects, saying he's better that Liljegren doesn't mean anything.

Smarten up, come on now.

07 Aug 2019 15:08:57
He’s definitely behind on his development but dog s*** is an overstatement he has elite skating and good defensive abilities he has top 4 potential i'd say he has similar value to Puljujarvi/ A Nylander that being said I wouldn’t lose sleep if seeing him traded and obviously Sandin is better he’s looking like a potential top pairing guy if he continues his development track will probably cap out as the 3rd dman behind Rielly.

As for Hamilton I’d personally wouldn’t want him on leafs unless It was Barrie straight up for him. He’d probably hurt the leafs more then help as they already have Rielly and Barrie as offensive dman.

06 Aug 2019 16:28:05
Still don't think leafs trade him, but

Toronto trades marner

Carolina trades slavin and svechnikov.

06 Aug 2019 16:38:17
Carolina says no. Marner doesn’t have that kind of value.

06 Aug 2019 20:59:37
If you switch Slavin with Pesce, Carolina might go for it.

06 Aug 2019 21:23:09
Vertius. out of curiosity, what type of value do you think Marner has? Top 3-10 winger in the league.

06 Aug 2019 22:32:06
He’s an elite player for sure, one of the best wingers in the league, but at the end of the day, he’s a winger asking 11+, the value just isn’t there, especially when you look at what’s coming back.

What is Svechnikov? I think it’s fair to say he has a minimum of 70 point potential, right? And let's say Marner hits 90 again (because I’m sorry Vb, but no matter how many times you say it, he ain’t getting 130) that’s a difference of 20 points.

Are you really going to sit there and tell me Slavin is only worth a 20 point forward? Hell, even a 30 point player if Svech caps at 60 points. Your going to tell me Slavin is only worth a 3rd liner?

Get out of here. No player, no matter how ‘elite’ they are, will EVER get these stupid values that fans think they should get, especially not A WINGER ASKING 11+.

Get out of here.

07 Aug 2019 00:25:45
Is it really safe to assume Svechnikov is a 70 point player though? Sure didn’t look like it last year. I know he’s still he’s young, but Marner has double the points at the same age. Svechnikov has lots to prove before making an assumption like that. Right now I see Svechnikov is a 35 point player, which is about equal the difference between Marner and Slavin.

07 Aug 2019 02:06:26
Little defensive Vertius? I asked a simple question. I didn't say it was a fair trade did I?

07 Aug 2019 06:46:29
Defensive? I answered the question. not sure what your on about?

07 Aug 2019 07:18:25
@HockeyFanatic: I think so. Svechnikov had extremely good underlying numbers last year. Everything about those stats screams breakout in Year 2. And not like his rookie season was bad, he was around 30G, 40 pt, no?

07 Aug 2019 08:52:20
130-90 is 40 bud. pre school math dog. Svechnikov isn't proven yet to be a 70+ Point player so his value is based on what he could be rather than what he is. Marner is s proven 90 Point player with 100+ potential. I agree that adding Slavin may be too much from carolina but I don’t think it’s that far off. maybe TO adds a decent prospect like bracco or a pic.

07 Aug 2019 08:54:05
LOL most players don’t even play in the NHL at 22 and he already has a 95 point season behind his back and that’s the dumbest evaluation I’ve heard in my life you really think Arizona will Trade Kessel for Pettersson? Kessel had 80 points and Pettersson had 60 that’s a 20 point difference. And no way Pettersson scores 80 points next year in sorry to say vertius that’s a 20 point difference.

News flash Marner had 69 points 2 years ago 25 point difference. 94+25=119 points that’s just mathematical projection a mathematician would conclude the probability of breaking the 115 mark is inevitable in a linear function assuming his statistical development is indeed a true function while which is obviously an irrational way of thinking but it indeed helps credit my argument. As it is the only logical of predicting his projections unless it’s a blatant guess.

07 Aug 2019 09:41:25
With Marner wanting 10m x 3yr bridge deal i'd say that's a hard pass from canes

07 Aug 2019 10:14:50
Wow, ok vbb, Patrick kane had 110 points last year, 76 the year before, with your calculations he'll get 146 points next year? That's very smart. I wish I had your knowledge of math.

07 Aug 2019 14:35:36
lol! you had me at linear function!

07 Aug 2019 15:10:35
LOOOOOOL, Vb’s deduction is great, it is SO f’ing funny how salty he gets when Marner is involved. His reactions are pathetically hilarious.

07 Aug 2019 15:16:31
I love how in your ''functions'' and ''projections'' Marner will never stop developing. Using your very idiotic math, Marner will hit 200 points at one point.
I love how you called your little fact ''irrational'' and then say that it helps your argument. You called your own evidence irrational.
The only thing that backs up your claims is made-up math.
You can't apply the math you have used to a players' development.

07 Aug 2019 16:28:51
Vertius, read your response and tell me if it sounds like your angry because it does to me. If that is you answering a simple question then you have anger issues.

07 Aug 2019 17:27:05
Read my response and tell you if I sound angry? Uh. Or I could just tell you that I’m not since, you know, I’m the one who wrote it and I know how I’m feeling.

Just because you don’t like what I said doesn’t mean I’m somehow angry with the world. If anything, you’re the one who seems to have some issues here.

07 Aug 2019 22:30:48
I said it is an irrational way of thinking but Petterson will never be as good as Matts Sundin let alone Marner.

08 Aug 2019 03:23:41
That's funny same age of 20. Elias puts up 28goals and 38a tha ts 66 points in 71 games on a lesser team. Marner at 20 puts up 61 points in 77 games and only put up 19 goals. Marner is a winger Patterson is a center. So at this point to say Peterson will never be as good is a crap statement. Especially since Patterson is a center good luck arguing that.

08 Aug 2019 09:21:08
I’m just saying a function would suggest that not that it is accurate or even relevant the reality is it is almost certain Marner breaks 100 he’s young and he’s trending upwards. He’s going to make 10+ million because he’s a top 3RW in hockey and he deserves it. Pettersson will probably get 15 million on his next contract taking into account the increase in cap.

08 Aug 2019 09:25:15
Pettersson will never be as good as Sundin let alone Marner? LOL. You already have zero respect from anyone on this site Vb, but man, you just can’t help but dig that hole further.

I stand by what I said before. There is no chance Vb is anything but a troll. There is no way this dude doesn’t come onto this site looking to say stupid sh*t, he’s got to be fishing for reactions because no one can be this clueless.

09 Aug 2019 17:34:48
You can talk to me when Pettersson out produces Marner.

04 Aug 2019 12:37:12
#1
To Carolina Hurricanes -
Jesse Puljujarvi
Kris Russell

To Edmonton Oilers -
Jake Bean

#2
To Ottawa Senators -
Matt Benning
Sam Gagner
4th-Round Draft Pick

To Edmonton Oilers -
Mikkel Boedker



Leon Draisaitl - Connor McDavid - James Neal

Mikkel Boedker - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins - Alex Chiasson

Joakim Nygard - Markus Granlund - Josh Archibald

Tomas Jurco - Jujhar Khaira - Zack Kassian


Oscar Klefbom - Adam Larsson

Darnell Nurse - Evan Bouchard

Jake Bean - Ethan Bear

04 Aug 2019 14:28:22
1st trade wouldn't be too bad if Russell wasn't included.

05 Aug 2019 00:02:03
In my opinion Canes trade a defenseman for only forwards. Puljarvji is hit or miss but they got a crazy amount of de that russell doesn't really fit. Just a flyer on pujujarvi so not that bad.

05 Aug 2019 03:49:36
Thanks for the feedback yea carolina is stacked with d prospects

05 Aug 2019 10:03:12
Why would oilers trade puljujärvi for a D prospect? Thet are loaded with D’s. prob even the best D prospect pool in the legue. bouchard, Broberg, Jones, bear, samorukov, Lagesson. Persson? I mean they don't need bean.

06 Aug 2019 05:02:16
Only heard of 3 of those 7 prospects you named. Imo Colorado easily has the best d pool.

04 Aug 2019 06:59:32
To Carolina Hurricanes -
Jesse Puljujarvi
Kris Russell

To Edmonton Oilers -
Jake Bean


Oilers clear more cap space and gain a good defensive prospect who is also from Alberta, Hurricanes acquire a Top 6 RW who has the potential to become a 60 Point Player but needs a change of scenery and acquire a Top 6 LHD.

Maybe Aho - Puljujarvi could be a good finnish pair.

04 Aug 2019 14:29:25
Take out Russell.

29 Jul 2019 17:54:32
Dallas: Julius Honka
Carolina: Trevor van Riemsdyk

Honka looks to be on the way out of dallas, Carolina just drafted his brother Anttoni in the 3rd round this year so would re-unite him with his brother in Carolina.

Dallas gets TVR as a good depth guy.

29 Jul 2019 18:59:51
I mean, yeah, sure.
Both bottom 6 defencemen.

29 Jul 2019 21:23:33
Tvr is what he is, honka I still think has untapped potential though might never come through so think it's a good trade. Dallas knows what they getting and Carolina Hope's honka will turn into what he was projected as.

30 Jul 2019 01:32:49
Why would Carolina want Honka in return when they are already stuffed like turkey dinner without defensemen?

25 Jul 2019 22:31:38
Toronto: rights to Marner, Holl, 3rd2020

Car: Aho(8.4 million)

Toronto gets a very good contract and a just as good player as Marner but for 4 million less then Marner will get. It's a salary move but this way Aho plays wing with Matthews

25 Jul 2019 23:25:43
Lol @ Carolina affording Marner.

25 Jul 2019 23:27:07
The owner of the Hurricanes lives in his dads RV after signing Aho.

26 Jul 2019 00:48:29
Marner>>>>>> Aho.

26 Jul 2019 02:15:29
Dont think Carolina can trade Aho for a minimum one year.?

26 Jul 2019 09:26:20
Mostleaf, since when does 10 points playing with much better players make a guy worth 3-3.5 mil more? Cause he plays pk? That's what your 3rd / 4th liners are for anyway. I'd rather have aho unless they can sign marner for around 10-10.25. And also quit saying marner is comparable to kane. Kane had 18 more goals and 16 more points last year. kane is probably the best stick handler in the league and barely plays defense. They're not really similar other than size.

26 Jul 2019 13:06:33
Kane had like 60 points when he was 22.

26 Jul 2019 20:06:55
Aho is also center, which is a premium position, having to carry a line.

14 Jul 2019 17:20:54
To Toronto: Teuvo Teravainen, Jake Bean, 1st rounder

To Carolina: Marner.

14 Jul 2019 17:29:29
Svechnikov, Aho or Slavin are going to the leafs if Marner is traded.

14 Jul 2019 23:02:39
No from Carolina. Leafs add Lilijegreen.

14 Jul 2019 23:51:55
i think leafs decline cause teuvo ain't a superstar like Marner, Bean is a gamble and a 1st is always a gamble

15 Jul 2019 02:12:52
More Leaf hate from Mantha.

15 Jul 2019 02:28:49
Teraivenen is a superstar ino.

15 Jul 2019 08:26:06
Ino: in no ones opinion, yeah right.

12 Jul 2019 14:27:50
Some proposals for a puljujärvi trade
1.
Oilers: pulju

Colorado: jost

2.
Oilers: pulju

Tampa: Joseph

3.
Oilers: pulju

Vegas: gusev

4.
Oilers: pulju

Carolina: necas

5.
Oilers: pulju

Rangers: Howden

6.
Oilers: pulju

Islanders: Beauvillier


Which offer would you oilers / other teams fans accept?

12 Jul 2019 14:42:59
No from all teams except Rangers, Islanders and Maybe Vega but that’s a maybe. it.

12 Jul 2019 18:07:10
I’d have to think the teams with producing young players would probably not do it. A lot of these guys have produced more than Pul to this point and are around the same age. Vegas maybe because they need some cap savings but Gusev is the best player listed.

12 Jul 2019 21:44:09
Puljujärvi for Jost seems very fair

11 Jul 2019 00:47:04
Carolina: Gauthier

Nashville: Turris (50% retain)

11 Jul 2019 02:46:51
Why does Nashville do this?

11 Jul 2019 06:51:33
Agree with moneyhands. Turris is still a good 2/ 3 Center IMO.

11 Jul 2019 07:21:19
@SeanMoneyHands @Leafs17
Well, because Kyle Turris scored only 7 goals and 23 points this past season and was also benched multiple times.

Not to mention he’s getting paid 6 million for the next 5 years.

If Kyle Turris bounces back, this could be a huge steal for Carolina, but if he continues to decline this deal sucks for them. They lose a B- prospect too.

11 Jul 2019 11:04:02
I'd say Gauthier is atleast A-. he's still very young and looks like hell be a solid middle 6 nhler.

11 Jul 2019 13:13:32
Mantha this is why prospects values can get out of control on here. A guy that projects as a solid middle 6 player is a B, B- or C+ type prospect. A should be reserved for game breakers and franchise changers. A- should at least mean legit top line potential.

11 Jul 2019 13:31:01
Yah he’s a C+ prospect at best b.

11 Jul 2019 15:03:37
Gauthier isn’t a very good prospect, but neither is Turris a good player. Nashville’s wants to dump Turris ASAP would do this. They traded Subban for less. I doubt they retain salary though.

11 Jul 2019 16:52:15
I misread and thought that was Gauthier from the leafs. I still think Turris is a solid player and will bounce back.

03 Jul 2019 03:49:08
Montreal Trades Suzuki, Brooks, 2nd 2022, 3rd 2021 for Fleury from Carolina.

Carolina doesn’t match offer sheet on Aho.

Thoughts?

03 Jul 2019 04:55:46
That's close to what it would probably take at this point I wouldn't do it though from Montreal pov.

03 Jul 2019 07:47:01
What? MTL takes it and runs. Suzuki, Brooks and 2 mid picks for Aho and Fleury? CAR doesn't even answer the phone.

03 Jul 2019 08:13:15
Is that even a thing? Allowed? Are they allowed to do that.
So basically its all you said from Habs for Aho and Fluery? Umm yes please! .

03 Jul 2019 08:14:10
Oh. Forget it

We still have to give the 1st, 2nd and 3rd., my bad.

03 Jul 2019 16:30:50
It would be both deals combined:

MTL:
Susuki, Brooks, 1st, 2x2nd, 2x3rd

CAR:
Aho, Fleury.

03 Jul 2019 17:15:15
Yes I automatically assumed the same as thunder turkey explained that's why I said I wouldn't do it.

04 Jul 2019 01:27:11
Carolina already matched anyway. As if there was ever any doubt. Now maybe Bergevin offer sheets Marner so Leafs can finally sign him?

05 Jul 2019 17:47:10
Habs aren't trading any draft picks. Not Suzuki not Kots Not Poeling.

02 Jul 2019 13:08:45
Trade 1:
Winnipeg: Ehlers, Kulikov and 2020 1st
Edmonton: Puljujarvi and cond 2020 4th (turns into 7th if Pully scores 20 goals or 50 points)

Trade 2:
Winnipeg: Perrault and 2020 3rd
Carolina: Hamilton

That gives Winnipeg $38M in cap space to sign everyone. And with Montreal setting the market on Aho:

Laine - 8 years, $8.5M
Connor - 8 years, $7.5M (that's more than what Scheifele is getting)
Copp - 3 years, $3M

With those signings plus the trades, that leaves the Jets with about $13M left to fill out the roster.

Sign Gardiner to 5 years, $6.5M
Sign Dzingel to 1 year, $2.5M
Sign Chariot to 1 year, $2.5M

And that would drop a couple of 1 year contracts and have space left over to sign Morrissey to long term contract next year.

Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
Laine-Dzingel -Pulujarvi
Copp-Lowry-Roslovic
Vesalainen-Little-Appleton

Morrissey-Gardiner
Chariot-Byfuglien
Beaulieu-Niku/Poolman

02 Jul 2019 13:15:13
Defense would actually be:

Morrissey-Gardiner
Chariot-Byfuglien
Niku/ Beaulieu-Hamilton.

02 Jul 2019 14:38:10
The Edmonton trade favors the Oilers too much while the Carolina trade is too one sided for the Jets.

02 Jul 2019 15:49:41
Aho was on 5 year term, would have taken much more for 8 years so Connor and Laine both likely either need more money or less term. I would think that package doesn’t get close to Hamilton but stranger things have happened. I could easily see a team like Tampa offering a legitimate forward and a first, but Tampa seems reluctant to trade roster players. I think Gardiner gets more than 5 years and if he gets 5 higher AAV and no way Dzingel takes one year 2.5. I doubt you get a top 6 forward and top 4 d for 5 mill combined on 1 year deals.

02 Jul 2019 16:42:20
I think Carolina would do it because they’d be trading from strength and saving $1.6M a year for a winger after losing (possibly) Ferland and might even be an upgrade. That gives them more money for Aho and eventually Svechnikov.

I could see Gardiner taking a lower AAV because he’s coming off a back injury and didn’t respond as good as he can be when he came back during the playoffs. But if they were to get Hamilton then Gardiner would be more of a luxury then a necessity.

And I thought about Connor and Laine on 5 year deals but Scheifele also got a 7 year with an AAV of $6.1M and Wheeler just got an AAV of $8.25M after being top 10 in scoring the last 2 years. So I don’t see the Jets giving out more than $8.5-9M to a player (Laine) with half the production of those two and at this time very reliant on those two. I also don’t think Connor will get much more than Scheifele. He has produced very well but still not as much as Scheifele. But he’s 4 years younger so the potential might be a factor but not a huge one. Not to mention C usually get paid more.

Dzingel on a one year deal is long shot but he could be a 2C on a team that can push for the cup and boost his earnings even more next year. But the Jets have room with that proposed budget to go up to $4-5M if they wanted to and still have money for Morrissey.

02 Jul 2019 20:39:06
2nd trade would help Chevy get some credibility back. Luckily you added a 3rd to Perrault to get Hamilton. Terrible!

02 Jul 2019 20:32:18
Perrault is a cap dump. That does not get Hamilton at all. Also what even is the 1st Trade Edmonton should be the 1st + not Winnipeg. Ehlers for Puljujarvi, Bear And 1st 2020.

03 Jul 2019 03:18:15
Please tell me we don’t have 2 new bias jets fans on this site.

03 Jul 2019 21:23:28
stormy bear u rly think hamilton is worth a 3rd round pick and an undersized 3rd liner
and hamilton would not be on our 3rd pairing splitting time w beaulieu, he’s a top 3 defenceman on every team.

03 Jul 2019 21:41:33
They didn't set the market with aho, they offered him the max before theyd have to give up 2 1st round picks. He wanted to stay in Carolina but they were being cheap. Was just an easy way to get a deal done.

02 Jul 2019 11:01:26
Aho wants out of Carolina, let's say they marched the offer sheet.

MTL: Drouin,1 rd2020,Josh Brook,2rd 2020,3rd2020

02 Jul 2019 13:10:31
The hurricanes have to wait a year to trade him if they match and he dosent want out of Carolina.

02 Jul 2019 14:07:15
He signed with MTL Wich mean he's not totally happy.

02 Jul 2019 15:29:40
I wouldn't go as far as saying he doesn't want out of Carolina. I mean he did say he wanted to play for Montreal I'm sure that large money up front would tempt a few other people too. But I'm pretty sure if him and his agent had the choice right now they would jump ship to Montreal in a flash.

02 Jul 2019 15:47:52
If Carolina matches they can’t trade him for a year. And I think it’s more about Aho wanting to get paid than out of Carolina, reports I heard was that Carolina was offering 6 and his ask was 9.5. He probably just got impatient and wanted to speed it up.

02 Jul 2019 17:15:51
Possibly jbs but after getting that horribly lowball offer from Carolina it might have increased his willingness to leave.

02 Jul 2019 17:16:15
Either way the canes are not happy today.

02 Jul 2019 17:46:06
I think canes are happy. they get a bit of time on social media and they will match that offer sheet. Way too low for Aho - even with the money up front, i'm sure they will be able to do that. I really hope I'm wrong though and we finally get a great young center to fill that 1C roll!

02 Jul 2019 17:56:48
Whether they match or not it’s a better offer then they had given up to this point and they definitely wouldn’t have offered that signing bonus they won’t be happy for the simple fact another GM just did the negotiating on their franchise player.

02 Jul 2019 22:40:57
They’re fine with it. Let’s be real they were in negotiations and never made an actual offer, you always start low especially when you have all summer to hammer it out. They probably would have settled at something around 9 mill for 6 years. They might be upset with Montreal trying to strong arm them and tying up a year of gate revenue, and would have liked the extra year as to not walk him right to RFA but if you think they were topping out at and seriously offering 6 I don’t know what to tell ya. Even Aho knew they’d come up, they said they’d match any offer sheet before the FA period opened up.

03 Jul 2019 04:08:51
Oh for sure they were going to go higher then 6 mil that is obvious almost as obvious as they would not have included that very large signing bonus that's the part I can assure you they are not fine with.

03 Jul 2019 10:04:26
Sure, the front loaded bonus is what they are mad about and is peak big market team trying to bully a small market team. What, in my opinion, Bergevin should have done is go a step up, sign Aho to a cap hit that would make Carolina think and then couple that with the bonus structure if he really wanted him. The way it’s structured they eat it for a year and then pretty much have Aho for nothing.

03 Jul 2019 11:02:47
Habby, why are you not mentioning the 5 years? that's the real reason Carolina is mad. They're star player is a ufa in 5 years.

03 Jul 2019 17:17:05
Yes and that too.

03 Jul 2019 17:18:39
The front loaded bonus wouldn't go up much more with a higher cap hit hardly enough to even make a difference.

03 Jul 2019 21:11:47
He definitely said publicly he wants to play in Carolina. don't know where you got your info from.

03 Jul 2019 23:35:02
Oh was this after he said he wanted to play in Montreal?

30 Jun 2019 23:19:14
Per Servelli, Mike Smith signing with Edmonton Oilers & Cam Talbot signing with Calgary Flames. Wow

Also Andrew Shaw to Montreal for picks

Reimer to Carolina for Darling

01 Jul 2019 03:47:17
Andrew Shaw to MTL fpr picks happened 3 years ago. It's Andrew Shaw to Chicago for picks now lol.

01 Jul 2019 04:09:05
Are oilers expecting Russell to stop pucks and Mike Smith to be the puck moving player on the back end?

01 Jul 2019 12:23:17
How did I get a disagree by stating a fact lol.

27 Jun 2019 23:48:24
Hearing Aho is wanting big money, something that Carolina can't afford. Jets have two options if they want to acquire a top 2C to play with Laine.

1) Sign Aho as an RFA.

Contract could be 7 x $8.4M, attaches with big signing bonuses paid out this July 1 and next July 1. Canes would have a hard time matching sign a high AAV plus paying out the bonuses would be an issue. The cost to the Jets would be a 1st, 2nd and 3rd Round Pick.

2) Trade for Aho.

Proposed trade could include Ehlers plus a draft pick. The term and AAV in Ehlers contract is a huge positive for a team like Carolina. Thus below is the proposed trade.

WPG: Ehlers, 2nd Round Pick 2020
CAR: Aho

28 Jun 2019 00:12:44
Arent the Jets already having issues with being able to sign both Laine and Connor? I understand trading away Ehlers contract, but you will he replacing his 6 mill or whatever gor probably 8 or so. something I don't think the Jets can afford.

28 Jun 2019 00:31:16
Rumour has it Aho wants 9.5 over 5 years, so he would give a big no to that contract offer from WPG, and that trade is jokeworthy. Aho is 21 coming of an 83 point year and Ehlers is 23 coming off a 40 point year, a 2nd round pick DOES NOT bridge that point gap. C’mon Jets fans, don’t start this grossly overvaluing your players crap again.

28 Jun 2019 00:31:27
It’ll take a lot more then that to land Aho. His value isn’t that far off Marners.

28 Jun 2019 00:46:29
Ahos ask if 9.5x8, he’d mever take 8.4x7. Likely going to be 10x7 type deal imo.

28 Jun 2019 01:44:03
Is the return of that offer sheet proposal still only a 1st 2nd and a 3rd when you average it out over 5 years? Also I think aho will want more especially when you consider the fact skinner got what he got.

28 Jun 2019 02:27:48
I can't see Carolina wanting a winger in exchange for a center.

28 Jun 2019 02:47:47
1. I’m sure Carolina would happily match 8.4M.
2. If the contract is over 5 years you take the total salary and divide by 5.
7 x 8.4M / 5 = 11.76M
3. It would take a lot more than a 2nd along with Ehlers to get Aho.

28 Jun 2019 14:21:52
Aho wants 9.5 that what he asked for.

28 Jun 2019 16:55:18
The only way the Jets make an offer sheet to Aho is if they don't match Connor, which seems unlikely. Aho as most young, good RFA's are out of the question for the Jets unless they can trade Little and Kulikov to dump cap space. Then next year they have to re-sign Morrissey. Teams that have 1/ 2 their cap space for 4 players are always going to have big cap problems and I hope the Jets don't become one of them as right now as they have to be careful who they sign and for how much.

22 Jun 2019 18:01:20
Confirmed Trade:

Leafs Trade: Marleau, Conditional 1st 2020 (Top 10 protected, could move to 2021 if it is Top 10), 2020 7th

Carolina Trades: 2020 6th

Expected for Canes to buyout Marleau and he will sign with Sharks.

Thoughts?

22 Jun 2019 18:07:38
Posted this and didn’t see Veritus’s post! Just shook by the big Trades today.

22 Jun 2019 17:23:58
Confirmed.

Leafs: 2020 sixth-round pick

Hurricanes: Patrick Marleau, a conditional first round pick (2020) and a seventh round pick (2020).

Shoutout to the leafs fan telling me the Canucks would have to add to take Marleau for his ‘veteran presence’ lmao

Can all the Leafs/ Jets fan on here just take a break? I can’t recall how many times they’ve called me or others on here clueless about player values, but after looking at the returns their players have gotten time and time again, they just need to look in the mirror and realize that they’re the ones way out in outer space and clueless on values, not us.

22 Jun 2019 17:43:36
What a sad existence some people have that being right on a trade board is so important to them.

22 Jun 2019 18:03:02
I wish I Yzerman took Marleau for this price. That would be a great deal.

Well done Canes and glad Leafs had to pay a hefty price to get out of their cap problems.

22 Jun 2019 18:04:14
What a sad existence some have to attack people on a hockey board who don’t agree with how valuable their players are xDD *cough* Islandjet *cough*.

22 Jun 2019 18:05:02
It was quite obvious they were going to have to pay to get rid of marleau cap hit didn't expect they would have to pay this much though.

22 Jun 2019 19:24:09
Leafs made out like bandits on this one I thought they’d have to give Kappanen. Great deal for the leafs.

22 Jun 2019 19:54:08
Carolina gouged the Leafs good and all the leaf homers were telling us that Marleau would net them a positive return. 😆

A first to dump a contract with only one year of term. Well done Dumbass! The rookie GM gets schooled again.

22 Jun 2019 20:12:48
This post really shows how all over the place everyone’s thoughts are. Some think leafs gave too much and others think it’s good, including a non leaf fan. I’m guessing the truth lies in between.

22 Jun 2019 20:38:08
Did someone really say Marleau would get a positive return? I’d love to know who. I’m guessing it wasn’t all the leaf homers like biasjoe suggests. “Rookie GM gets schooled again” I guess you’ve moved pass Chevy giving Trouba away. Why so much hate douche?

22 Jun 2019 20:41:03
Anyone with common sense knew it was going to cost the Leafs something of value to entice a team to eat the last year of Marleau’s contract. My guess would have been Bracco or one of their D-prospects (the same way anyone with common sense could tell you Trouba wasn’t getting Nolan Patrick plus) .

I don’t think this is a bad look for Dubas either. He paid the price to fix a mistake made by his predecessor. If he can do the same with Zaitsev the Leafs cap problems are solved and they will be able to keep all of the young players they want to.

22 Jun 2019 22:38:22
Who said Marleau would net Positive? Marcus, everyone can see the salt in you, because the Jets have done sh*t within the last week, you turn to leaf hating, ha.

I will admit, this is higher than I would’ve thought; I would’ve thought it would be like Bracco + Brown as a sweetener, or A 2nd++, but I think the only guy who thought Marleau would net positive is Pinny, so don’t generalize all leaf fans lmao.

22 Jun 2019 23:16:05
It looks like the leafs are close with Kapanen and Johnsson. I heard 3.2-3.4 for Kapanen. I’m not an expert like some people on this site but I like that price tag. I was worried Kapanen would get 5. I hope they don’t sign these 2 and then trade them. If they keep everyone, obviously someone has to go to get a d man but I’m in with giving up a 1st to keep the core.

22 Jun 2019 23:58:37
Similar deal for johnsson but 4 years. Great work by Dubie getting those two signed and safe from offersheets. They were the low hanging fruit because teams could make offers that would only cost them only 1st or 2nd. Used Marleau’s space for them.

23 Jun 2019 02:32:26
I don’t like giving up a 1st again but the leafs have a lot of depth in the system, for now. If it allows everyone to get signed, great. I really think Dubas is doing alright. He should’ve traded Nylander the second he held out but whatever.

23 Jun 2019 03:09:43
Id take those numbers with a grain of salt leafs17 I mean it's obviously just a guess by someone with no actual knowledge of the situation. You know as well as I do dubas and company would not be leaking any contract info on these two guys with the offer sheet period so close unless signing them already done. Not sayin this isn't the number they will sign for but it just looks to me someone cut marleaus cap hit in half and split it between the two of them lol.

23 Jun 2019 06:40:14
Who knows?

22 Jun 2019 16:44:47
Carolina Trades
DHamilton
Wallmark
McKeown (AHL)
6th Round Pick 2019

Toronto Trades
Kadri
Kapanen
CBrown
Zaitsev
4th Round Pick 2019 (Blues Pick)

Type of Trade the Leafs will have to make to get there Cap Space down to resign Marner and AJohnsson.

Thoughts ?

22 Jun 2019 22:50:05
Funny you say that memarcus because I don't think it's nearly as bad as Chevy's return for Trouba. A late 1st to clear 6 million in cap space and gets you very close to keeping Marner Kapanen and Johansson. I will take that and run any day. Trouba on the other hand is a top pairing dman according to you and you got pretty much nothing in return. I would take the Leafs trade any day over the Jets.

21 Jun 2019 18:08:43
Toronto and New Jersey make big deal at draft. Then Toronto And Carolina.

NJ: Marner and 3nd (85) pk 2019

TOR: First overall (Hughes) and COLEMAN

CAR: Kadri, Brown and Zaitsev

TOR: Hamilton and Ferland

21 Jun 2019 19:11:19
Obviously a leafs fan. why leafs fans think zaitsev has any value? Basically got to give kadri for any team to take him, maybe for a 5th? Then its brown for Hamilton and a ufa?

21 Jun 2019 19:34:29
“Basically got to give Kadri for any team to take him” a 2C consistent 30 goal guy when in a 2C role who’s in his prime and won’t regress for a couple seasons signed to a steal of a contract at 4.5 million on top of all of this is a top defensive player who works hard every shift and gets into the other teams heads. People may not like that he dives or sticks up for his teammates but at the end of the day he’s very effective. A team like Colorado who’s lacking a 2C would give a lot for him.

21 Jun 2019 19:57:45
I think you took that out of context VBB. I believe he is saying that you need to give Kadri for any team to take Zaitsev.
I don't agree with that, but i believe that was his intention.

21 Jun 2019 20:02:31
Nj wants a centre more than a winger I think.
Also why take Hughes to play 4c?

Maybe trade marner for hall. Work something around that. Hall wants to win and Toronto Is trying to do just that now.

21 Jun 2019 20:21:21
That makes more sense but he’s still very wrong but thank you for clarifying.

21 Jun 2019 23:51:55
Yah I mean Marners trade value wise isn’t bad but the last thing Toronto needs is a Center. NJ might rather have Marner but I’m not sure. I spoke my opinion on Marner many times I think he’s Patrick Kane.

22 Jun 2019 00:52:38
Thanks Turkey, just saying Toronto needs to sweeten the pot for taking zaitsev, saying kadri is a bit much. But saying zaitsev is a good trade piece is an overstatement also. Better than Seabrook as a cheaper option but still an overpaid 5-6 defenseman.

20 Jun 2019 23:58:01
Carolina Trades
DHamilton
Wallmark
JGauthier (AHL)

Toronto Trades
Kadri
Kapanen
4th Round Pick 2019 (Blues Pick)

Carolina and Toronto I see pulling the trigger on a Trade Proposal like I have posted.
It does help both Teams for Cap Reasons and what both Teams are looking for Roster wise.

Thoughts ?

21 Jun 2019 02:03:00
No from Car.

21 Jun 2019 02:23:09
Seems fair for both teams to me.

21 Jun 2019 06:59:14
I'll still say CAR declines but this is one of your best proposals probably. I mean, it's not utterly ridiculous, so that's a nice first step.

21 Jun 2019 12:28:20
Kadri>Hamilton. Hamilton was a 3rd pairing dman on Carolina. He averaged less then 20 min a game.

 
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