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20 Oct 2018 21:10:18
Deal now:
To Carolina:
Nylander, Durzi, Marincin, Neilson
To Leafs:
Pesce, Foegele, Zykov

In January (for cap space and for defence improvement)
To NYI:
2019 1st, Zaitsev, Leivo
To Leafs:
Pulock, possible pick/prospect depending on Pulock's play, Zaitsev's play, and Leivo's play up to that point

Deadline deal
To Columbus:
Gardiner (extension from Columbus required), condtional 2020 1st (becomes 2nd, 2021 3rd if Panarin doesn't re-sign), Brown, 2019 4th
To Leafs:
Panarin (he will be cheaper to get by this point)

Lines:
Marleau/Matthews/Panarin
Hyman/Tavares/Marner
Foegele/Kadri/Kapanen
Johnsson/Lindholm/Zykov
*Ennis, Gauthier
Reilly/Pulock
Dermott/Pesce
Hainsey/Ozhiganov
*Holl
Anderson
Sparks

Cmon how could you not love that team?
Scratched players all under $700 thousand

Solid 4th line and each player under 1mill

Third line of hard workers that can score and take on other teams top lines

And the other two are nothing special, just so we can throw a team together 😂

People seemed to like this on the leafs rumours site, so I wanted to branch out a bit and get more opinions

21 Oct 2018 01:40:08
I’d make all of those trades from a leafs POV.

21 Oct 2018 08:41:03
So if VB says he'd do all those trades from a Leafs POV, this prolly tells you all you need to know about whether those trades are fair.

21 Oct 2018 14:04:19
coming from the guy who thinks Stamkos>Mathews and Crosby—>Fantasy league.

21 Oct 2018 22:45:10
But Stamkos IS better than Mathews 🤔

Mathews: 69, 63 point seasons
Stamkos: 46, 95, 91, 97, 57, 40, 72, 64, 20, 86,
Mathews was injured 20 games season #2 and Stamkos was injured half or so of season #5, 6, 9.
Mathews 1 - 40 goal season
Stamkos 4 - 40+ goal season, 1 is 51 and 1 is 60.
Not sure how you argue those numbers.

22 Oct 2018 03:01:01
Ok but Matthews also missed about a quarter of the season last year, he would’ve hit 70 for sure and probably 75, maybe even 80.

22 Oct 2018 04:05:43
You can’t argue those numbers. Stamkos has been a stud for years and leaf fans can only hope Matthews has a career as good as Stamkos.

14 Oct 2018 01:20:19
Toronto and New York Ranger trade.

Leafs: Jimmy Vesey and Brendan Smith and 1rd Round pick.

Rangers: Nylander and Marincin

Leafs then deal with Carolina.

Leafs: Brett Pesce

Hurricanes: Andreas Johnsson and Nikita Zaitsev

Vesey - Matthews- Kapanen
Marleau -Tavares - Marner
Hyman - Kadri - Brown
Lindholm - Gauthier - Ennis

Rielly - Brendan
Gardiner - Pesce
Hainsey - Ozhiganov

14 Oct 2018 04:14:30
The rangers one is possible, but don’t think they do it. The hurricanes laugh historically.

14 Oct 2018 04:34:59
@unbiasedjim

Other than the fact that I don’t think New York can afford Nylander, is there any other reason why they wouldn’t make this trade? I mean, Vesey is nothing special, and Smith is an overaged defenseman who has missed large chunks of the last two seasons. The pick is what it is. Am I missing something?

14 Oct 2018 06:03:01
That pick looks like it has a great chance of being 1st overall.

14 Oct 2018 06:55:10
They would still have to win the lottery. It’s a real gamble. With teams like Ottawa, Arizona, NYI all looking like they are going to race to the bottom, it’s not a sure bet. And then we would still have to wait a year, maybe more, while the pick develops.

I’m not sure about this one from Leafs standpoint. I don’t know how I feel about trading Nylander for picks. Every draft has way more busts than winners. We’ve had a good run at the draft lately. Makes me think we are due for a dud.

14 Oct 2018 14:22:46
I just meant the 1st like Habby said.

With the trades involving Nylander and Canucks on here, everyone says they wouldn’t trade that 1st rounder either. The difference is Canucks already have a great young core coming up that Nylander would compliment (Peterson, Horvat, Boeser, Hughes and Juolevi) . Rangers don’t. Rangers making a trade like this, although only one 1st rounder not 2, reminds me of leafs with Kessel. Weren’t a good team, traded high picks for an RFA winger who had proven he was a 60 pt player, and the pick becomes Seguin who is as good or better, younger and cheaper for a few years.

So instead of adding Nylander to a young core, you risk what happened with the leafs which is you had a great 1st line winger and no one else around him. Even his Centreman (Bozak) was a 3rd line on good teams, 2nd centre on some. Teams getting Nylander should already have a foundation because he’s not the type of guy you Centre your rebuild around. Look at Kessel flourish after not being ‘the guy’.

13 Oct 2018 16:55:58
Carolina Trades
Aho
3rd Round Pick 2019

Toronto Trades
WNylander
Hyman

Thoughts ?

14 Oct 2018 08:17:19
Why on earth would CAR do this?
Aho is better than Nylander and cheap for another year and will most likely re-sign in CAR for less than what Willie is demanding.

14 Oct 2018 14:09:26
How is Aho better then Nylander what’s your argument?

14 Oct 2018 17:59:56
Aho and Nylander are even really if you look at the stats talent etc.
Hyman for a 4th is a steal really but you have to do it because of Nylander's contract demands.

13 Oct 2018 16:27:54
Leafs: Nylander, 2019 1st

Canes: Slavin.

The hurricanes have quite a bit of cap space, so could pretty easily sign nylander. They are also stacked on D, and could use another offensive weapon. The leafs biggest need is on D, and Slavin is very underrated, on a team friendly contract. The only negative is that he's left shot, not right. The first is because D are worth more than wingers in today's NHL, and Nylander will likely get more than Slavin makes. Maybe the first is a bit steep, but the general idea is there.

Alternatively, the leafs could target pesce instead, but that would result in the pick being lower, cause he's not quite as good as pesce.

Thoughts?

13 Oct 2018 16:54:34
There’s a lot to like about Slavin, but the thing I like most about him is his contract. The fact he is LHD doesn’t mean anything in my books. If Carolina makes this trade, Leafs should go for it.

13 Oct 2018 14:49:49
Carolina Trades
Aho
Faulk
2nd Round Pick 2019

Toronto Trades
WNylander
Hyman
Marincin
4th Round Pick 2019

If the Leafs do Trade WNylander this is the type of Proposal that would work.

Thoughts ?

13 Oct 2018 16:23:24
Lmao aho with more then nylander faulk is worth a lot more then hyman and a 7 dman.

13 Oct 2018 16:29:47
Without even looking at value, just money, Aho and Faulk are going to want more combined than Nylander and Hyman lol Hyman is $2.25mill and Nylander wants $8mill.
Aho is a year Younger than Nylander, scored more goals and had more points than him. Faulk is a RHD walking into UfA and looking for a raise. Regardless what you think of him as a player, he would have the leverage to get overpaid by someone. You are not signing those 2 players for less than $10 million. My guess would be: Aho - $6.75mill and Faulk $6mill.

Now Value wise, Carolina would value Aho more than Willy anyway as he’s personally accomplished more by the same point in their careers and have the inside track on maybe keeping him cheaper. Also Faulk could get a better return than Hyman, Marincin is useless, and Carolina is adding the higher pick?! Lol no. And I think hymans valuable but he’s one of those guys that will never be valued to another team like he is on his own team. Every team has a guy or 2 like that.

09 Oct 2018 03:13:04
Leafs trade Nylander
Carolina trades Slavin, Zykov

Leafs trade Gardiner, Kadri
LA trades Forbort, Kempe, Vilardi

Marleau/ Matthews/ Hyman
Zykov/ Tavares/ Marner
Johnsson/ Kempe/ Kapanen
Leivo/ Lindholm/ Brown
*Vilardi, Ennis

Reilly/ Forbort
Slavin/ Zaitsev
Dermott/ Hainsey
(Sandin/ Liljegren)

There’s a lot to like about Slavin, but I like his contract best. Zykov looking good, will be very effective on LW.

Forbort is left handed, but no big deal. He’s a perfect replacement for Hainsey until Liljegren is ready. Kempe is a slight downgrade on Kadri for sure, but he’s a more than adequate replacement with upside. Vilardi is very highly rated prospect and should already be playing NHL, but recurring back injury is delaying his development and in my eyes lowers his value and may be part of the reason LA throws him in to this trade.

09 Oct 2018 04:14:10
Omg that’s a huge no from Carolina Slavin is not going anywhere he has to be the most underrated player in the NHL. He is by far the best deffensman on there roster he’s not flashy but he gets the job done. He’s a new generation Ryan Suter but imo he’s better then Suter. Easily a top 10LHD dman in the NHL.

07 Oct 2018 16:05:41
After watching the leafs defense it been a disaster.
I don't think we really need Nylander aa much as we need defense
2 trade option

Toronto trades
Nylander and 2nd in 2019
St.Louis trades
Parayko

Or a bigger deal

Toronto trades
Nylander, Gardiner and 2nd in 2019

Carolina trades
Pesce and Hayden Fleury

07 Oct 2018 16:30:35
Under no circumstances to I see Carolina taking Gardiner. They already have close to $30M invested in an overstuffed defense unit. Pesce is cheap at $4M and Fleury will be re-signing cheap as well. Together they will be earning less than what Gardiner alone will be demanding.

Like both Pesce and Fleury. Love the size of all these guys suggested. May have to add to the Blues trade. The Carolina trade is a no flyer in my opinion.

07 Oct 2018 21:23:45
Ha, a 52 pint defender and an elite 22 year old for Pesce and a 23 year old defenceman who hasn’t licked NHL ice, good luck with that.

07 Oct 2018 23:10:14
@mostleaf

Gardiner gets 52 points only because of the forwards in front of him. He just gets to be the guy who feeds them the luck and manages to get that second assist when they make a great play and score. You know as well as anyone that Gardiner is prone to defensive gaffes, can’t hit, can’t take a hit, can’t fight, can’t clear the net, can’t score, and worst of all, can't play defense, which is what his job title suggests he should be doing.

Nylander is another topic altogether.

Both Gardiner and Nylander are expensive. Salary absolutely must be taken into consideration. If we can dump either of these two guys and bring in Pesce as 1RHD on a team friendly contract, and Fleury for 3LHD, then is not so far off as you might think.

30 Sep 2018 18:11:28
Carolina Trades
JStaal
JWilliams
Faulk

Toronto Trades
Kadri
WNylander
CCarrick

I know on this site it's not enough from the Leafs maybe a 1st and 2nd Rounder should be added going to Carolina.

Thoughts ?

30 Sep 2018 18:42:40
Faulk is not what they need.
Toronto says no.

30 Sep 2018 19:22:11
Well isn't this odd. Pinball posts a trade that isn't crazy good for Toronto. Actually it's crazy bad for Toronto, wow.

30 Sep 2018 20:02:05
All 3 of those players should have nagitive value to Toronto for various reasons besides Williams. Staals contract is to big and Faulk is the opposite of what they need.

30 Sep 2018 22:41:52
I think Pinballs attempting sarcasm guys. Idk. Lol.

01 Oct 2018 03:39:55
I would take Williams on as a rental if we could get him for the right price (nothing off the current roster) . We sure could have used Mr. Game 7 in the playoffs last year.

Faulk and Staal are good useful players. Just not for us. They are both Captains on Carolina, and should remain so. They look good in red and black.

01 Oct 2018 03:40:25
Nagitive.

29 Sep 2018 16:37:37
Read Carolina was asking about WNylander and if Dubas was willing to Trade him, if that where to come about I am proposing a Deal for those 2 Teams and posting it below.

Carolina Trades
Aho
Faulk

Toronto Trades
WNylander
CCarrick

Maybe both Teams add smaller pieces but those 4 Players should be the main base of any Trade between them.

Thoughts ?

29 Sep 2018 17:55:58
Really depends on the contract Nylander would sign. If he’s willing to sign for reasonable money, leafs would just keep him. If he still wants $8mill, then that’s a good package coming back. However Canes wouldn’t give up Aho plus Faulk knowing they have to pay Nylander a massively inflated salary. So I don’t see a deal.

29 Sep 2018 18:00:37
Aho and Nylander talent wise are a wash but Ahos contract situation gives him more value and Faulk>>>Carick.

29 Sep 2018 19:42:06
At this point I would say aho is better and I like nylander. and faulk eventhough I don't really like him is head and shoulders above carrick in every way. Carolina should not and would not even consider this.

29 Sep 2018 22:55:48
Aho>Nylander enough said.

30 Sep 2018 07:03:59
Aho alone is worth a bit more than Nylander, so why tf would CAR add the vastly superior D.

30 Sep 2018 08:04:48
Typical Pinball trade. The Leafs give up the inferior players and get the better ones and don't give up any extra to do so.

01 Oct 2018 03:56:55
Instead of Aho, might I suggest Ferland instead? His numbers aren’t as impressive as Aho’s, but definitely trending in the right direction. On Leafs high octane offense, he might just have a breakout season playing with either Matthews or Tavares.

Faulk is a plug for two years until Liljegren is ready. I would never suggest a trade centered around Faulk. But as a throw in, I would say is ok. Our defense would be improved with him on the team.

22 Sep 2018 15:36:22
3 Way Trade Proposal.

Carolina Trades
Faulk (Minnesota)

Minnesota Trades
Spurgeon (Toronto)
Seeler (Carolina)

Toronto Trades
CBrown (Carolina)
Sparks (Minnesota)
4th Round Pick 2019 (Carolina)

Trade Breakdown.

Faulk-CBrown,Seeler,4th Rounder
Carolina gets a good 24yr old 2 Way Winger and solves sitting TVR as the 7th Daman,Seeler is better suited as a Depth DMan.

Spurgeon,Seeler-Faulk,Sparks
Faulk and Spurgeon are close so that's more a wash but the key is Sparks as the Wild don't have any Goaltending Prospects.

CBrown,Sparks,4th Rounder-Spurgeon
Spurgeon is exactly what the Leafs are looking for on Defense and it's time to give Leivo a full time spot on RWing playing with Kadri on the 3rd Line gives him that,the crowded Goaltending and Sparks having to go through Waivers makes sense as some Team will Claim him.


Thoughts ?

22 Sep 2018 17:20:32
Stop posting the exact same thing over and over and over.

22 Sep 2018 18:16:14
Just posts trades and clicks believable and ends up 1-22.

22 Sep 2018 20:13:06
#BanPinball.

22 Sep 2018 23:13:30
TopShelfSlappers it isn't the same Trade Proposal, Connor Brown instead of Kapanen is in this Trade Proposal, better Winger in this Trade Proposal and say what you want it makes sense for all 3 Teams.

18 Sep 2018 17:13:04
3 Way Trade Proposal.

Carolina Trades
Faulk (Minnesota)

Minnesota Trades
Spurgeon (Toronto)
Seeler (Carolina)

Toronto Trades
Kapanen (Carolina)
Sparks (Minnesota)
4th Round Pick 2019 (Carolina)

Trade Breakdown.
Faulk-Kapanen,Seeler,4th Round Pick
Spurgeon,Seeler-Faulk,Sparks
Kapanen,Sparks,4th Round Pick
Spurgeon

Carolina solves the depth on the RDefence as TVR needs to play and adding Kapanen is a player they have wanted.
Minnesota replaces Spurgeon with Faulk a Minnesota born player and adds a good Goaltender Prospect in Sparks.
Toronto gets the Top Pairing Defenceman to pair with Rielly.

Thoughts ?

18 Sep 2018 17:42:16
This exact thing was on here a week or so ago with poor responses. All this is going to do is have half the people say leafs aren’t paying enough, and then have VBB day Faulk is a piece of garbage that shouldn’t be in the league.

18 Sep 2018 21:12:56
Unbiased Jim. Faulk isn't that good. Just saying.

18 Sep 2018 22:02:58
He isn’t that good but saying he does belong not in the league is an overstatement I said it to emphasize the way people overvalue him.

18 Sep 2018 22:50:32
Cherry, Faulk is a decently good player. Second, vb, that doesn’t make any sense lol at all that doesn’t emphasize anything.

18 Sep 2018 23:50:42
It emphasizes the trade was bad.

19 Sep 2018 03:11:32
What trade. You have over exaggerated your hate on Faulk numerous times. lol. We got it tho, you just don't like that guy.

19 Sep 2018 16:07:32
Saying a player doesn’t belong in the league also doesn’t emphasize any trade proposal lol that’s two completely different things.
Anyways, Faulk is either moved around right when the season starts or not at all this year.

19 Sep 2018 21:37:01
Mcjesus, I have watched Faulk on numerous occasions and I don't view him as anything more than a 3rd pairing guy. People rag on Gardiner, but I would take him anyday over Faulk. And I am not even a huge Gardiner fan.

20 Sep 2018 00:20:01
That’s fine, just because you view him as a third pairing dman doesn’t necessarily mean he is, but he certainly belongs in this league and he has offensive attributes lots of players wish they had.

20 Sep 2018 10:54:23
Never said he doesn't belong in the league. Its his career minus 109 that scares the crap out of me.

20 Sep 2018 16:18:03
I know you didn’t say that but somebody else did lol.

08 Sep 2018 18:01:21
3way Trade Proposal.

Carolina Trades
Faulk (Minnesota)

Minnesota Trades
Spurgeon (Toronto)
Seeler (Carolina)

Toronto Trades
Kapanen (Carolina)
Sparks (Minnesota)

Trade Breakdown.
Faulk-Kapanen,Seeler
Spurgeon,Seeler-Faulk,Sparks
Kapanen,Sparks-Spurgeon

Maybe Minnesota would have to add a Mid Round Pick going to Carolina but think this is a good Proposal.

Thoughts ?

08 Sep 2018 19:18:23
Carolina gets robbed. They would need more coming back. Toronto wouid have to give something else.

09 Sep 2018 12:15:34
People really need to lower there value on Faulk. The guy is one of the worst defensive dmen in the league and people still rate him so high. -109 is his career plus/ minus. And people say Gardiner is bad defensively.

09 Sep 2018 14:08:30
Faulk shouldn’t be in the league imo huge defensive reliability.

09 Sep 2018 18:50:53
And there's Vbb over exaggerating as usual. We get it, you don't like the guy. But the fact he is a good offensive D man and is a Captain of an NHL team but you think he shouldn't even be in the league.
Maybe you actually mean he should be a sheltered minute, power play, not a captain, D man?

09 Sep 2018 20:11:17
Vb you are easily the least knowledgeable person iv ever seen consistently post on this site before and seriously what did faulk do to you!

09 Sep 2018 22:23:04
Yupp you’re correct I was over exaggerating and maybe he should be captain. The position is overrated if you actually played hockey. ( which I doubt you have ) you’d know leadership dosent come from 1 person it’s a team effort.

10 Sep 2018 22:30:56
faulk is a good player at what he does. He’s not a great defender, much like Gardiner. But there’s teams that can absorb his defensive liability to add what he brings offensively.

Also the way the game is going, if he’s a
enough puck mover, and put on a team with a good forward group, he can move the puck out and spend a lot less time in his own zone, helping his defensive part.

Like leafs not willing to pay the asking price for a big D upgrade, they’re hoping guys within step up and that with the depth of 2 way players up front, they can control the play and have possession enough to take pressure off the D, making it good enough for now.

30 Aug 2018 13:23:19
Oilers; Nylander

TO; Larsson


Oilers; Faulk

Hurricanes; Caggiula, prospect (Mantha or Lagesson), 2019 3rdp, conditional 2020 2rdp (if he does not re-sign then its a 2020 5rdp)

30 Aug 2018 15:46:34
The Nylander for Larson trade would sure help the Leafs pathetic defense big time, but the Oilers defense is equally poor so this trade is a no go. I can't see the Hurricanes doing the Faulk trade.

30 Aug 2018 16:26:45
That “Pathetic” defense is better then the 2 time Stanley cup winning champions Pittsburgh Penguins they proved offense/ Goltending>>>Defense when the crushed Nashville. I’d personally hold onto Nylander as if I were trading him for a dman he’d need to have atleast a iittle bit of offensive flair.

30 Aug 2018 19:04:24
Not trading Nylander for Larson lol He’s a good Dman and the type of guy we need, but I wouldn’t give up that kind of high end offensive potential for him. That already happened once, and obviously I don’t expect nylander to ever win the Hart, but oilers would undo that trade a thousand times in a row if they could.

30 Aug 2018 21:17:20
Islandjet must be 12 years old who just watched his first NHL season with daddy. I happen to be a bit older and remember Winnipeg being a pathetic team for years. You guys think your sh*t doesn’t stink.

31 Aug 2018 23:21:24
Even if those moves were to happen, Which they wouldn't. Oilers don't have the cap room.
Nylander will be making more than Larsson and Faulk is making more than Drake.
Oilers have about $5M in cap docs right now to sign RFA Nurse to a bridge deal still.
I believe there's a bunch of D in the same position as Nurse all awaiting to see similar deals signed first, Morrisey, Hanifin, Theodore and Nurse.

31 Aug 2018 23:31:06
I am pretty sure tor wouldn't trade nylander for larsson.

31 Aug 2018 23:32:14
A defenseman like Larsson would be a pretty good return for Nylander. But, the Oilers aren't deep enough on D that they can afford to make this swap.

31 Aug 2018 23:33:38
Larsson would be a good return for Nylander on the Leafs side. However, I don't think the Oilers can afford to give up Larsson.

31 Aug 2018 23:34:53
Larsson would actually be pretty good value for Nylander. However, I don't think the Oilers could afford to lose Larsson.

31 Aug 2018 23:41:24
Lol just because Chia was stupid enough to trade Hall for Larsson does not mean Dubas is going to trade Nylander for him. Larsson is pretty meh IMO.

01 Sep 2018 00:21:31
Lol is Menarcusjoe trying to make it look like 3 people are trying to make others believe 3 people are sharing the same bias opinion.

01 Sep 2018 13:11:53
I agree that Larsson is meh, I just meant that if Tor wanted to trade Nylander for a defenseman, 1 for 1. Larsson would be the about the level they would be looking at.

02 Sep 2018 11:19:50
Larsson was best D in WC when he played with OEL, oilers just don't use him right.

02 Sep 2018 16:16:52
I definitely wouldn’t say he was the “ best deffensman in the WC “.

27 Aug 2018 04:49:57
Detroit trades: Svechnikov

Carolina trades: Bean

27 Aug 2018 05:52:53
No from Carolina.

30 Aug 2018 13:21:52
No from Detroit Svechnikov is a keeper.

15 Aug 2018 07:14:03
Given skinners trade value, maybe the new owner also doesn’t value Faulk too much.

Oil: Benson + 2nd + 4th

Carolina: Faulk

If this is comparable to the Skinner trade maybe Carolina considers it.

15 Aug 2018 13:01:51
Not enough at all for Faulk

15 Aug 2018 14:04:13
And you slam me #McJesusChrist for my posts?
Not even close for Faulk.

15 Aug 2018 14:11:24
I’m sure this is a joke related to pinball’s proposals but with Sekera out again, it’s worth a shot. Will Edmonton maybe sign Franson? I might be the only one who still thinks he’s good though, lol.

15 Aug 2018 15:18:38
I think Franson should be playing. He will sign somewhere IMO.

15 Aug 2018 16:39:20
This is so goofy Pinballs package can’t get Nyquist but this can get Faulk? I actually don’t mind this deal btw If Faulk could bring anything valuable back in a trade he would’ve already been move. Obviously every nhl employee and I see that Faulk is a defensive liability and dosent have much value.

15 Aug 2018 18:24:43
Oil should trade there first for Faulk. If it’s reasonable I’d trade more for him. He’s exactly what they need and now that Sekera is down they have an excuse to go for it. I’m not sure if it would work cap wise because they still need to sign Nurse but I’m sure they can make it work.

I’m usually against trading futures for short term solutions but they have McDavid so they can and should be in the playoffs and not thinking about the future.

15 Aug 2018 20:14:43
I am not sure I would givr that much up for Faulk. -109 on his career.

15 Aug 2018 20:26:55
Oilers should be in on Faulk for sure. I don’t get Chiarelli. He has had no problem making bold moves before (hall, eberle, getting Reinhart, even dealing Yakopov) and then this one seems so obvious and shouldn’t be nearly the cost of those and he seems to be dragging his feet finding the RH puck mover. Is it that he’s more cautious and reluctant because the last few haven’t worked out? Or just not interested? Hard to say.

15 Aug 2018 23:59:03
What a joke for Faulk. Wishful thinking. If Faulk is so bad, why would Edmonton trade for him?

16 Aug 2018 01:31:39
😉🤷🏼‍♂️.

16 Aug 2018 01:33:52
Jim agree with you idk what is wrong with Chiarelli. I for sure thought oil would make a move on Duclair and the fact he signed for 650k blew me away.

16 Aug 2018 14:51:03
If he isn’t so bad why wouldn’t they have traded for him yet? He’s on the block.

16 Aug 2018 14:52:17
It seems like he only wants to do these massive deals that are going to be okay if they work out, and terrible when they go wrong. Like that hall one, if everything went his way, it might be close to even, but he would never win that trade. Same with eberle. It was either close to even or a massive loss. His risk/ reward gauge is terrible lol like you said Duclair would have been such low risk at that price. Skinner would have been a chance for him to hit a homerun at that price. So confusing.

11 Aug 2018 16:24:57
Carolina Trades
Faulk

Toronto Trades
Leivo
Holl (AHL)
7th Round Pick 2019
2nd Round Pick 2020

Leafs as everyone knows looking for that RHanded Pairing Defenceman for Rielly.
Leivo is the Canes 4th Line RWinger with McGinn and Martinook and finally gets to play regularly, Holl is the 7th Defenceman and deserves to be in the NHL at this stage.
Canes add to there future Drafts with 2 extra 2nd Round Picks for 2019 and 2020.
Good Trade for both Teams.

Thoughts ?

11 Aug 2018 17:14:32
If RHD Holl is so close at 26 years old, why hasn't he cracked the Leafs weak right side defense? Levio at best is a 4th line player and with the picks this package just doesn't add up to getting Faulk.

11 Aug 2018 18:42:35
Pinball you’re going to give me an aneurism soon.

11 Aug 2018 19:29:40
You don’t even try do you pinball? Does that sound fair to you. A bunch of maybe’s for a top 4 RH d man.

11 Aug 2018 20:00:13
I’d do Horton or the Rights to Kessels retained salary for Faulk but that’s about it. He does not fit with the leafs at all.

11 Aug 2018 20:42:33
Idk Skinner was a Top 2 LWinger for Carolina and they got squat for him.
On Carolina's Right Side you have.
Hamilton
Pesce
TVR
Faulk is expendable at this point.
Left Side
deHaan
Slavin
HFluery
Believe me everyone with the Canes GM players like Skinner and Faulk can be traded for without top assets.

12 Aug 2018 07:20:51
Legit a 2nd and complete spare parts for a top4 RHD.

Leivo, Holl and the 7th combined prolly get a 4th and 6th, lol.

12 Aug 2018 15:06:53
Welp, I just got dumber bu reading this nonsense. thanks pinball, you have to be a troll or just really low iq.

12 Aug 2018 15:33:58
Scraps for a good defenseman? That's really bad, thought it must be a joke until you defended it, check out the agrees, ya, everyone else is crazy, it's not you.

12 Aug 2018 22:58:35
Carolina laughs value wise, not even close.

On the other side, I’ve said 100 times, I just don’t see why people want Faulk on riellys right side. Rielly has become a much more rounded player but is still far from a defensive force. Faulk is all offense. I truly believe if Faulk was on Toronto’s radar, they would have had him before the draft. We have seen how low the canes were willing to sell on Skinner and leafs would have traded there 25th pick in June for Faulk if the fitness there. I think leafs management also sees that he isn’t the guy to make the team better. He would be great for a team that needs to move the puck up or needs a QB for the PP. With Rielly, Gardiner and Dermott, we’re covered.

07 Aug 2018 20:18:00
So I posted a Leafs-Canes trade for Pesce a few days ago but I thought up a more revised version of the potential deal.

To TOR:
Brett Pesce

To CAR:
Jake Gardiner
Kasperi Kapanen
Garrett Sparks
2019 1st Round Pick

TOR gets a big, young, right-handed, defense-oriented D-man who's on a reasonable deal for many years.

CAR really shores up their offense (an area of weakness for them) with Gardiner (50+ point D-man), they add a young, high-skill forward in Kapanen, they get a top goaltending prospect in Sparks (another area in which they aren't necessarily strong) and a 1st round pick to boot.

Thoughts?

07 Aug 2018 20:54:42
Lol @ Sparks= “ top goaltending prospect “.

07 Aug 2018 22:12:23
Its Gardiner's first season with over 50 pts in his 7 year nhl career. You can't just throw-in (50 point d-man) if he just reached that once.

08 Aug 2018 00:16:27
@vb You're right, he's not a "top prospect" but on a team like Carolina, he'd easily become the backup to Darling and potentially even become the starter over time if given the starts.

@Crazy You're also correct however, the point I was trying to make with that was that Gardiner is great offensively, he ranks 30th among defensemen in terms of points over the past 5 seasons, a lot of which were with the Leafs at the dead bottom (or close to it) of the standings. He's only had less than 30 points in 1 FULL season of his career and so, the 52 points he had the last season really is the cherry on top in terms to his offensive game and on a team that doesn't have very many major offensive threats like Carolina, that goes a long way.

08 Aug 2018 02:26:39
Pesce best season is 20 points and was only a plus in 3 seasons once he's not worth a first let alone adding all the players. Its more than leaf fans who are delerious on here.

08 Aug 2018 06:20:07
I guess you obviously never heard of Alex Nedejkovic

@Just a leafs fan

He’s their future in net.

09 Aug 2018 17:46:03
Its easy to hit disagree on my comment but at least back it up.

09 Aug 2018 19:55:51
@ carnyslop

I agree he's not worth all those players but I would say he's worth more then just a mid-late 1st as he is used against other teams top lines and shuts them down well and is also young with a good contract I see something around TOR first and Kapanen would be a good deal for both teams.

07 Aug 2018 02:48:57
What do you think. Leafs 1st rounder going to be low IMO.

Most low firsts similar to high 2nds.

Gardiner+1st 2019

Faulk

Toronto gains an extra year of conteol on faulk that they wouldn't have on Gardiner. after this season Gardiner is going to be asking for 6years around 6milper. Which Toronto Cannot do. Carolina can. that immediately saves toronto around 1.2 mil off the top on next years cap where mattews . marners . and nylanders contracts are all active.

They can then Pair Faulk with Reilly on the. top pairing finally take Hainey get him qith carrick lr zaitsev on the 2nd or 3rd pair.

thoughts?

07 Aug 2018 05:16:54
All depends how leafs view Dermotts readiness for a bigger role. Right now Rielly and Gards on the left and only zaitsev as a natural RHD in the top 4. So this shifts that problem form R to L. If dermott steps up to take Gardiners spot which is possible, then it helps. But to be honest, Faulk isn’t the guy we need. He’s an upgrade on the RS, but I’d rather a really solid 2 way or just defensive guy to be Riellys long time partner. I think Rielly is good enough and smart enough that they could reign him into be the more stable guy beside Faulk as the rusher, but I think it’s better to leave Rielly doing what he’s become comfortable with and find him that Marc Methot type guy.

07 Aug 2018 05:23:48
Also I don’t think the pick needs to be a 1st to make up the difference but all depends how much they value the year of control. Gardiner might not interest Carolina withe their D already good enough to make Faulk expendable and if I were trading a top 4 d with a great cap hit plus a first, I’d want more than a top 4 D with a slightly higher cap hit back.

07 Aug 2018 10:36:54
Have you looked at Gardiners career stats compared to Faulks? Gardiners stats are much bwtter. No way they give extra.

07 Aug 2018 13:22:56
I think that's slightly misleading. Gardiner didn't turn a corner to score a round Faulks career average in points until about 2 years ago when the leafa forward corps really took off. And his points are assost driven. Faulk on the other hand is a goal scorer who had a down year this year, which was only 6 points lower than his career norm and would have tied Gardiner career high pre Mathews and Marner. Gardiner doesn't have better career numbers, Gardiner has better numbers since he got to work with Mathews Marner Nylander and Marleau and Faulks top forward was Skinner? And no real other offensive threat to help compliment him. Gardiner likely better on D, although ill be honest i'm not sure by how much or how to quantify it reliably. Faulk has extra year of control, right handed, and probably puts up better numbers than Gardiner if playing with the same level of offensive talent around him. that's why i personally would give Faulk more value than Gardiner, not sure how much more though. Regardless Carolina will he looking for forwards in a Faulk deal.

07 Aug 2018 14:10:50
Or is it because he is a leaf jbs? I could argue that throughout there careers Faulk has played on a better all round team. The leafs even though being good offensively are still wrak defensively. Gardiner is minus 10 in his career. Faulk is minus 109.

07 Aug 2018 14:42:37
@jbs. Fair enough. I didn’t say Gardiner is better. Said Faulk isn’t the right fit. Also o don’t believe the difference between them either way (whoever you feel is better) is a 1st rounder. That’s all.

07 Aug 2018 16:40:42
Faulk to Toronto just isn’t a good idea no Matter how you spin it. We need the exact opposite type of player.

08 Aug 2018 00:45:53
Look Cherry, I take offense to your comment. I am not a Leaf hater, I am just looking at facts. I have stated before how I think the Leafs D is better than people give credit, and I gthink a big part of that is people discounting Gardiner. Carolina has not been a better offensive team than Toronto since Gardiner came into the league. They were above Toronto in goals scored once, and it was by 4 goals. Faulk, however, has been above Gardiner in goals and points every year until the Leafs hit it big with Mathews and Marner, two players the likes of which Faulk has never been able to play with. +/ - is a team stat, when your team can't score you will look bad. When your goalie puts up 7 straight below average save % seasons, your +/ - will look bad no matter what you do defensively. I am not saying Faulk is a great defensive player, but his minus numbers are similar to Gardiners before Mathews Marner and Freddie came along as well. I don't disagree with people saying Leafs need a more defensive minded D, but Faulk isn't some scrub who can't hold Gardiners jock strap, and saying an extra cheap season, of a more offensively talented, RHD is more valuable really is not some big crazy hot take. I look stuff up before I post comparing players, I like to speak from an informed opinion, and try to look at more than just what's on paper as well. But I do not discredit a player based on the jersey they wear.

08 Aug 2018 20:40:29
My apologies jbs, just used to people overrating and underating other players strictly based on the jersey they wear. I do still disagree with you rating Faulk higher but I guess that is personal opinion. If you look at Pesce and Slavins stats they are plus players while Faulk is far into the negative so I think that negates the argument of the Carolina goalie being bad. I guess we have to agree to disagree. don't get me wrong though, neither will win any defensive awards.

Sorry if I offended you.

08 Aug 2018 23:26:21
I agree with you though doncherry. The only way that a guy with the same team around him should have that far worse +/ - is when he has to play against the top lines all the time and it’s obviously a lot tougher. But at home Bill Peters puts Slavin/ pesce out against top lines whenever he can because he has last change. Most of the time that Faulk faces top lines would be on the road and it’s because the home teams coach has identified he wants his top line against Faulk instead of Slavin/ pesce. I don’t dislike Faulk, he’s good at what he does and would be a great add to quite a few teams. But Toronto isn’t one of them.

09 Aug 2018 03:56:03
I overreacted so i apologize for that i just try hard to look at things from an unbiased stand point and have a ton of respect for how the Leafs have turned things around so quick. I won't argue Faulk is a better player than Gardiner because i don't think that's true, its just the other factors i stated above that i believe give him more trade value. I don't think anyone would argue slavin and pesce are top pair players and they were only +1 last year, which i feel proves my point on +/ -. Faulk isn't a great D player just likely not as abysmal as given credit.

07 Aug 2018 02:39:53
Its No Secret Toronto needs to Upgrade their Defence.

They should be doing this by any means Neccisary. And by not moving Mattews,Marner, or nylander .

Toronto IS going to be finishing high in the standings i'm decently confident on that. if there was ever a year to go for it this is it.
Trade that first round pick . Package it with Gardiner And Solidify the blueline.

Toronto Trades:
Jake Gardiner
1st Round Pick

Carolina Trades
Justin Faulk

It would be a +800k added to torontos cap . They also get a HUGE extra year of control out of faulk at a cheap 4.8M they woukdnt have with gardiner. On gardiners new deal he's going to want in the vacinity of 6M per on a 5-6 year minimum deal. which the leafs just can't do.

I think then taking Hainsey off the top pairing . and Pairing Faulk with Reilly, then moving Hainsey down with Carrick or Zaitsev. on the second or third pairing. I think that would really help not only solify their roster but help long term as well.

07 Aug 2018 06:43:12
Necessary*.

07 Aug 2018 22:31:21
Carolina needs wingers they are not just going to gift Toronto a better defenseman for a late 1st and Gardiner, try trading Nylander or marner for a stud dman.

06 Aug 2018 13:39:17
Carolina Trades
Faulk

Toronto Trades
Leivo
Holl (AHL)
2ND Round Pick 2019

The Caine's gave Skinner away for next to nothing maybe they bite on this..

Thoughts ?

06 Aug 2018 14:24:40
I would also add a 3RD Round Pick 2020 to make it similar to the Skinner Trade.

06 Aug 2018 14:39:18
Carolina can keep Faulk while the value may not be bad.

06 Aug 2018 17:54:57
These guys are 25 and 26 years old. Not sure why Carolina would want them as they have much better younger players that can fill any need those guys could. so essentially it's a 2nd for faulk and eventhough I'm not a huge fan of faulk he should get more then that. But it is don Waddell we are talking about here.

07 Aug 2018 02:54:12
There is such thing as a salary cap. Toronto can't just keep adding salary with term and expect to not create. log jam. They would have to give up Gardiner in any trade involving Faulk. Carolina would much prefer nylander. then toronto would have to sweeten the pot then add a 1st .

Making it
Gardiner and a 1st

For Faulk

toronto does add 800k this season but that's ok. its next season they're worried about. By not having to resign gardiner they actually save money next year .

This really makes to much sense not 5o have been atleast considered by toronto.

07 Aug 2018 04:52:27
Leafs have close to 15 million in Cap this Season. Nylander probably signs for 6 million a year like Ellers in Winnipeg then at the start of the Season you put Horton and his 5.3 million on LTIR and there is close to 9 million in Cap. Yes the Leafs can add to what they have even after Nylander is signed. So #DJP117 look up there Cap Space and see where the Leafs are at. They have plenty of Cap Space.

07 Aug 2018 05:21:00
Pinball he means because Faulk is into next season too. Meaning that $9mill + the few mill that come off the books from hainsey etc is going to be spent on Matthews and marners raises. They’re ont have $4.5mill or whatever extra unless they are letting gardiners 4.05 mill walk.

07 Aug 2018 10:49:31
Faulk is minus 109 on his career. Not what Toronto needs. Rather keep Gardiner.

07 Aug 2018 13:28:29
+/ - is a terrible stat that is influenced by his teammates that have not been good since he got there and a goalie that posted below average save percentages for 7 straight seasons. In fact i believe Carolina gave up on of the fewest amounts of shots in the league but were bottom 6 in goals against.

07 Aug 2018 14:39:19
So Slavin and Pesce, who both had the same goaltender for the last few years are both plus hockey players. So Ward only played bad in front of Faulk?

07 Aug 2018 15:54:03
Yeah, the stats do point towards Faulks defensive lapses. I think it’s more likely that ward/ darling/ whoever struggled to stop pucks more with Faulk on the ice because he gave up better scoring chances against than it is likely thatthebhoalies just played better every shift the other pairing came over the boards. Faulk is a great skater and has some skills built for today game, but he’s not the guy for the leafs unless they get a really solid Defensive player to pair him with.

 
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