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20 Feb 2019 16:13:22
to Carolina
Silfverberg
Kesler

to Anaheim
2019 3rd
2019 5th

adding kesler works because carolina has room, but that devalues silfverberg enough from his already low value as a pending UFA down to a handful of picks. Anaheim gets a huge weight off their back and Carolina gets a rental for their now very likely playoff matchup.

20 Feb 2019 17:06:34
1) i don't think they are trading silfverberg, pretty sure they are trying to sign an extension
2) is it really worth giving up one of your top players to get rid of a bad contract?

20 Feb 2019 17:13:24
Pretty positive ducks would like to extend Silfverberg so no go. However if they could move kesler then why not, itll free up lots of cap but could be tough moving him.

20 Feb 2019 18:14:40
Keer is too old and costs too much. Silfverberg isn’t worth taking on that boat anchor contract.

15 Feb 2019 23:20:04
It's no secret Anaheim needs a shake up and Getzlaf is a good trade option he's still a PPG 1C in the right situation and a two way beast. I'd rather have him then Monahan in the playoffs.

Calgary: Ryan Getzlaf ( 1.25 million retained )

Anaheim: Mark Stone ( Cap ), Sam Bennet And 1st 2019

Calgary- gets a 1c to play in the 2C role for a playoff push and a few more seasons.

Anaheim- Gets two solid pieces for a shakeup they desperately need.

PS- Getzlaf hasn't lost a step Anaheim is just terrible and needs a shake up

16 Feb 2019 05:34:25
Micheal Stone whoops.

16 Feb 2019 05:45:51
1. Michael Stone not Mark
2. Not enough for Getzlaf
3. No need for Getzlaf
4. Anaheim wouldn't trade their captain to a rivalry team

16 Feb 2019 14:43:07
4 is the only one I agree with. He’s getting old and has a big contract yes he’s still real good but his value is low I think this is an offer Anaheim looks at for sure. Maybe because is a riveraly team the ask for a peice like Dubé.

16 Feb 2019 17:41:24
No this is a very easy no from ducks .

16 Feb 2019 21:26:35
Anaheim has cap issues and wouldn’t want to retain salary for one thing. The return is less than stellar as well. Stone has 11 games to his credit this year and is a bottom pairing defenseman. Bennett is not a top 6 player, so Ducks would have a huge hole to fill on that 1st line. Besides all this, losing their captain leaves them without an adequate leader to guide the team through its turnaround.

17 Feb 2019 14:04:28
Trade our Tkachuk for Ottawa’s Dzingel, a 2nd this year and a steady left hand D

15 Feb 2019 13:48:40
Oilers - Cam Talbot, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Jesse Puljujärvi, 2019 1st Round Pick
Ducks - John Gibson, Josh Manson, Ryan Kesler (cap dump)


Oilers - Kailer Yamamoto + Kris Russell (25% Retained Salary) + Ethan Bear
Hurricanes - Dougie Hamilton

Oilers - Darnell Nurse
Leafs - William Nylander

Oilers - 2020 1st Round Pick + Brandon Manning + Ty Rattie
Rangers - Mats Zuccarello


Oil Projected Line Combinations:

Leon Draisaitl - Connor McDavid - William Nylander
Mats Zuccarello - Ryan Kesler - Tobias Rieder
Milan Lucic - Colby Cave - Alex Chiasson
Jujhar Khaira - Kyle Brodziak - Zack Kassian

Oscar Klefbom - Dougie Hamilton
Alex Petrovic - Adam Larsson
Matt Benning - Josh Manson

John Gibson
Mikko Koskinen

14 Feb 2019 22:03:15
Anaheim: Gibson

Calgary: Gilles, 1st 2019, 1st 2020, Andersen

15 Feb 2019 02:06:14
Gibson is having a bad slump but overall is a really good goalie and i'm sure anaheim knows that and won't give him to a rival

15 Feb 2019 02:41:07
God no. That isn’t even in the right Universe.

15 Feb 2019 03:54:01
Hahaha oh my goodness. We all know why that R is there now lol. Jk but yeah no this is horrible.

16 Feb 2019 02:23:12
I had Rittich going the other way in a different one instead of Gilles, but I knew that one would get me even more crucified.

14 Feb 2019 00:21:54
Ducks:
W. Nylander C
T. Liljegren D


Leafs:
J. Manson D
B. Montour D

14 Feb 2019 01:34:05
No from ducks.

14 Feb 2019 01:52:52
I can't see the Ducks moving those two players for what the Leafs would be giving up.

14 Feb 2019 03:08:56
Who would play right side defense for Anaheim? You might get one or the other, but not both.

14 Feb 2019 04:18:28
Maybe one of those defenseman will be available.

10 Feb 2019 18:08:54
Mtl trades:
shaw, hudon, rielly and 2nd
ana:
henrique and fowler.

10 Feb 2019 18:26:25
Yeah ok and then you can just hand the Gm of the year award over to bergevin.

10 Feb 2019 18:31:51
I like it! But, now way Anahiem does.

10 Feb 2019 21:37:31
Haha how does this have 4 believables, that’s the worst proposal for Anaheim are you kidding me.

11 Feb 2019 00:02:12
@mcjesus I don't know but I hope one of them is from bob murray lol.

11 Feb 2019 17:17:10
Anaheim gave up Vatanen for Henrique. I’m not seeing anything comparable coming back in this offer. So I kinda doubt Ducks trade out Henrique unless they have a player of similar caliber coming back in return. None of those guys offered are going to adequately replace Henrique, let alone Fowler. And while I can see Anaheim moving a defenseman, they are starving for forwards. I can’t see them trading He roque unless an adequate replacement is brought in.

07 Feb 2019 09:49:00
Potential three way trade:

Anaheim Ducks acquire:
• (LW) Mike Hoffman
• (LW) Artemi Panarin
Florida Panthers acquire:
• (G) Sergei Bobrovsky
• (2019) 2nd-Round Pick (ANA)
Columbus Blue Jackets acquire:
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick (ANA)
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick (FLA)
• (G) James Reimer
• (LW) Nick Ritchie
• (RW) Patrick Eaves


Potential Trade:

Anaheim Ducks acquire:
• (RW) William Nylander
Toronto Maple Leafs acquire:
• (RHD) Josh Manson
• (RW) Daniel Sprong 


Anaheim Ducks Projected Lines:

Rickard Rakell - Ryan Getzlaf - Jakob Silfverberg
Artemi Panarin - Adam Henrique - William Nylander
Mike Hoffman - Ryan Kesler - Corey Perry
Devin Shore - Carter Rowney - Ondrej Kase

Hampus Lindholm - Brandon Montour
Cam Fowler - Jacob Larsson
Michael Del Zotto - Korbinian Holzer

John Gibson
Ryan Miller

07 Feb 2019 12:18:58
The add-ons to the firsts have to be much more than two older guys and Nick ritchie for CBJ imo. Theyd want first+++ for ONE of the two.

07 Feb 2019 13:54:34
If you think ANA adds to Manson for Nylander, you're wrong.

07 Feb 2019 15:17:11
hold on hold on, ducks get hoffman AND breadman for a 1st, 2nd, an old player and a bottom 6 player hahahaha wow. moneyhands you're going down the drain lately come on.

07 Feb 2019 17:23:17
I agree that Anaheim does not add for Nylander. It’s a fair straight up deal for Manson IMO considering the age difference.

07 Feb 2019 17:43:34
Bobrovsky for Hoffman, 1st, Reimer doesn’t seem right to me either. I know Goalie Bob is free agent this summer, but come on, he could carry a team all the way to the cup himself.

From what I’ve read, Florida is just going to write this year off, dump as much salary as possible, and make an outrageous offer for Panarin and possibly Bobrovsky as well this off season.

07 Feb 2019 22:38:12
Why Triplets? At most they’re a deadheat oneforone imo. I don't think Toronto adds to Ny.

08 Feb 2019 14:13:15
@TSS: Where did I say TOR adds?

I said literally the same Leafs17 said, yet I'm 4/8 and he's 6/2. This site's TOR bias is hilarious.

06 Feb 2019 17:38:13
Anaheim: Fowler

Montreal: 1st round pick 2019 + Hudon + (Mike Reilly or Brett Kulak)


If Montreal keeps playing so well there first round pick is going to be very late anyways and this trade gives them a top left pairing 26 yr old cam Fowler to play with Weber and he's signed for 8 yrs for a decent cap. They have such a great prospect pool right now that I think they can afford to give it up. Montreal made add a bit maybe a another pick or a prospect ( not a top one though ex. Poehling, Romanov, Suzuki, ylonen, brook)

Lines

Drouin-danault-Gallagher
Tatar-domi-Shaw
Lehkonen-kotkaniemi-armia
Byron-chaput-peca

Fowler-Weber
Mete-Petry
(Kulak or Reilly)-benn

06 Feb 2019 18:12:09
well you just stated why Anaheim will reject this offer.

07 Feb 2019 04:20:10
I can see Fowler going to Montreal I just can’t see Montreal giving up that pick

07 Feb 2019 06:18:12
I know the habs like fowler but I don't think a trade will happen. At least not this season.

08 Feb 2019 12:25:00
I like the trade idea and I think it is good for both teams. Help rebuild and Fowler will look good on the Habs.

05 Feb 2019 03:16:12
To Boston: Rickard Rakell

To Anaheim: Heinen, Lauzon, 2019 1st

05 Feb 2019 05:06:14
Easy pass from ducks.

03 Feb 2019 00:58:28
Marc bergevin is suppose to be in attendance watching the ducks /jets game one rumor suggested he was there to scout one of anaheims dman.looks like he should have probably picked another night lol

03 Feb 2019 04:34:25
Fowler and manson each played an ok game I guess. The jets had their way with the rest of them though.

31 Jan 2019 22:08:09
Leafs - Johnson, 2019 3rd

Ducks - Richie

01 Feb 2019 02:00:01
Sorry but the Leafs don't add. I know Ritchie was the better prospect coming out of junior but Johnsson has proved just as much in the pros.

01 Feb 2019 05:04:39
Ritchie has found his game this season and been one of the few bright spots for the Ducks, don't see them making this swap.

01 Feb 2019 13:35:07
Hotguybabes don't you realize that every leaf Prospect is better than anybody else's Prospect what's wrong with you.

01 Feb 2019 14:44:00
Balsam8, that applies to the Blues. Who said he was better? I said he has shown as much as Ritchie. According to some non leaf fans all leaf prospects are garbage and even there picks aren't as valuable as other teams.

01 Feb 2019 19:01:53
Yeah toronto adds or Anaheim doesn't make the trade.

27 Jan 2019 14:39:30
Oilers: Sekera, Yamamoto, Talbot

Panthers: Bjugstad, Matheson


Oilers: Nuge, 3rd round pick 2019

Ducks: Rakell


Oilers: Puljujarvi, Benning

Canes: Faulk, Ferland


Oilers: spooner, 2nd round pick 2019!

Devils: Zajac




Rakell Mcdavid Chiasson
Ferland Draisaitl Bjugstad
Lucic Zajac Puljujarvi
Khaira Brodziak Kassian

Nurse Larsson
Matheson Faulk
Klefbom Russell

Koskinen

Trades might not be dead on but how's the idea on this?

27 Jan 2019 16:25:34
Wouldn't you just move rnh to wing again instead of losing a draft pick?

27 Jan 2019 16:29:55
Not very good trades for making the Oilers significally better.

27 Jan 2019 17:04:39
So you Trade Puljujarvi And then you some how get him Back?

27 Jan 2019 18:37:23
Lol vbbb yeah they claim him off waivers.

27 Jan 2019 20:59:10
The next Edmonton GM better not be throwing away draft picks for band-aid roster fillers if he wants to keep his job.

The prospect pool isn't that talented as it is, they need those picks to restock the cupboard.

28 Jan 2019 21:47:15
If Oilers move Talbot its going to be to a team that needs a #1goalie because Talbot won't settle for a backup gig!

27 Jan 2019 10:15:49
Edmonton - Andrej Sekera + 2019 2nd-Round Pick
Tampa Bay - Ryan Callahan

Edmonton - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Anaheim - Josh Manson + 2019 2nd-Round Pick

Edmonton - Jesse Puljujärvi + 2019 1st-Round Pick + Ethan Bear
New York - Mats Zuccarello

Edmonton - Milan Lucic + 2020 2nd-Round Pick + Matt Benning
Vancouver - Loui Erikkson




Mats Zuccarello - Connor McDavid - Loui Eriksson
Jujhar Khaira - Leon Draisaitl - Alex Chiasson
Kailer Yamamoto - Colby Cave - Ryan Callahan
Ryan Spooner - Kyle Brodziak - Zack Kassian

Oscar Klefbom - Adam Larsson
Darnell Nurse - Josh Manson
Kris Russell - Alex Petrovic

27 Jan 2019 17:03:18
Puljujarvi, bear and a 1st for a 31 year old UFA.

27 Jan 2019 21:05:54
1st trade is a no because Anaheim doesn't have the cap space.

2nd trade is a no because Edmonton doesn't have the cap space.

3rd trade is a no because neither team has a need/ want for the players (s) coming back in return.

24 Jan 2019 05:50:17
Anaheim is 30th in the league in scoring and the injuries continue. The leafs are in need of a RH, stay home defenseman.

Kapanen for Manson

Anaheim gets a 22 year old winger with speed & skill. This also gives Anaheim more money this season to add at the deadline.
Toronto gets a 27 year old, physical RH defenseman. He is on a reasonable contract for the next 4 years as well.
I think this is a fair trade one for one. RH defenseman are at a premium but the age difference evens that out. Maybe a small tweak is necessary.

24 Jan 2019 11:09:12
Age difference does not even that out lol. Kapanen can be included in a package to get Manson but not straight up, comon. he's a 22 year old winger who's having a good season playing with some of the best young talents and veterans in the game. His value is similar to Arturi Lekonen. Add Johnson to the trade and a second rounder and I think its closer.

24 Jan 2019 12:26:27
Arturi Leckonen has nothing on Kappy.

24 Jan 2019 13:56:52
I don’t think the leafs add that much boom boom. Yes Kapanen is playing with talent, for the first time in his career. Guess what, every team has talent. I think Kapanen would do just fine with Getzlaf and Rakell too, or anywhere else for that matter. Manson is 5 years older, that’s a pretty big difference.

24 Jan 2019 15:50:29
I think it would be a fair trade. This is the kind of defenseman the leafs should expect in a Kapanen deal.

And to the “Arturi Lehkonen has nothing on Kappy”. sure he does, he has worse linemates. I’m not saying I don’t like Kapanen; but him and Lehkonen are similar in they way they don’t drive their lines, but can produce when put in a good situation.

24 Jan 2019 15:53:15
If Manson is traded for anything under a significant overpayment and the Leafs aren't the one to get him, that's a fail by Dubas. Big defensive RHD on a solid contract in his prime. If it costs Kapanen and Johnson or whatever they should do that deal without hesitation.

24 Jan 2019 16:25:41
Kapanen definitely gets the water brewing for Anaheim but they're needs to be good little pieces added to get a big RHD in his prime.

24 Jan 2019 17:15:13
Kappanen has Elite speed and can play in any situation he reminds me of Chris Kriender who I believe is a very underrated player in his own right.

24 Jan 2019 19:29:32
@vbbbb and like kreider he is really streaky and inconsistent. Lehkonen can also play in any situation and you may not admit it but he is better defensively then kapanen. So overall slight edge on offence for kap edge on defence for lehkonen overall they are pretty even at this point.

21 Jan 2019 19:18:30
Edmonton: Draisaitl + a pick (second maybe first)

Anaheim: Rakell + Montour

21 Jan 2019 20:21:17
I thought maybe Rackell would flirts with 40 goals this year. That hasn’t happened at all. Taking a step backwards for Rackell this year, his play has been less impressive than previous years. Montour’s looking good. I think it’s safe to say Anaheim has gotten their money’s worth so far. I think he’s a real standout performer. Good job there by Anaheim drafting and developing Montour into another top 50 defenseman. That makes four of them on the team now. Hopefully Leafs would be somlicky to duplicate Anaheim’s success.

19 Jan 2019 22:30:46
To TOR:
Josh Manson
Max Jones

To ANA:
Andreas Johnsson
Nikita Zaitsev
Jesper Lindgren
Jeremy Bracco
2019 1st Round Pick

TOR gets a big, right-handed defenseman in Manson who excels on the defensive side of the game and can allow Rielly to be a lot more involved with the offense and a young, big power forward in Jones who can get under the opponent's skin and play a role similar to Hyman's in that he can get into the tough battles and grind for the puck in the corners and get it to Matthews. This would also mean that both Matthews and Tavares have this sort of grindy player on their wings instead of entirely skill (which as recently evident has not seemed to be entirely effective for the Leafs.)

ANA gets a young, offensively-talented player in Johnsson when they are in desperate need of goals from somewhere, a fill-in replacement for Manson in Zaitsev, a good defensive prospect in Lindgren (an area in which they do not have a great selection to choose from at the moment), an extremely talented playmaking winger in Bracco and a 1st round pick for this year if they miss out on the playoffs and want to stockpile more prospects.

Thoughts?

19 Jan 2019 23:16:47
Anaheim gives up two young roster players for Zaitsev an overpaid player who was a signing mistake and 3 players that will have problems cracking the Ducks lineup. Two get those two players off the Ducks the Leafs would have to add a good roster player and much better players from the minors.

20 Jan 2019 00:00:25
Johnsson > Jones, not by much though.

Rest of the package doesn't get Manson.

If it's Manson we're going after, imo, its going to take Kapanen + Bracco + 1st or something based around Nylander without the inclusion of Jones.

And islandjet, quit the hyperbole. The Ducks just lost 12 straight, Johnsson doesn't have 'problems cracking the Ducks lineup'.

20 Jan 2019 01:46:29
I’d love Manson but I actually agree with islandjet this time. Kapanen or Nylander would have to be in there and I’m not sure what Anaheim’s cap looks like.

20 Jan 2019 08:29:03
How is it Johnsson > Jones?
Jones is a 20 year old first round pick enough said.

20 Jan 2019 14:03:28
Johnssons what, three years older and has 21 points in like 40 games in his rookie season. I even said ‘not by much’. Johnsson’s done something at the NHL level atm, and Jones still has to prove himself there. I get where your coming from with the potential side, but Jones’ junior numbers aren’t all that eye catching that show that he’ll develop into better than what Johnsson’s producing right now.

And I even said, if we want Manson, you take Johnsson and Jones out and add like Kapanen/ Nylander to the package.

20 Jan 2019 14:38:24
TSS you have to realize how ridiculous that sounds, Jones is considered one of the ducks top prospects, Johnsson is at most a 3rd line guy. Just because he’s in the NHL because he had 3 extra development years to get there doesn’t make him better or more valuable. We don’t live in a world where every player in the NHL is better/ more valuable than every player outside it. Having success helps Johnssons value because he wasn’t a very valuable piece before but I still don’t think he’s as valuable as a 20 year old first round pick who at this point seems to have met his expectations in development.

20 Jan 2019 16:38:31
Jones is pretty close to 21 and really hasn't shown much to this point I agree the trade isn't great but it's mostly ruined by the inclusion of zaitsev.

20 Jan 2019 17:29:23
Puljujarvi is a 20 year old 1st round pick and he’s still complete trash at the nhl level. Lucic litterly out produces him. Draft position means nothing.

20 Jan 2019 18:03:27
I mean, if we're going by draft position, we can look at a guy like Lawson Crouse who was drafted only a year before Max Jones, plays a similar style, and has busted out pretty hard in Arizona, even if they give him playing time.

Jones is a good prospect, don't get me wrong. But really, if we're talking a matter of appx. two years of age, one guys in the NHL playing 2nd Line minutes [Johnsson >>>> guys like Connor Brown who are 3rd liners] and one guy still has to prove his worth, I'd be taking the proven guy. Only time that isn't the case is if the prospect really is top-notch, but really, Jones is basically #50 in the NHL, and his style of player just isn't as popular in todays NHL.

Plus, Jones' AHL production and OHL production really doesn't tout him as much better than Johnsson. His +1 year was 36 in 33 and his +2 year was 24 in 29 - hampered by injuries a lot too. His inaugral AHL season wasn't terrible, 24 in 32 is pretty good, but Johnsson's rookie year was 47 in 75, the next year, PPG [54 in 54]. You can't call one to be a 'top prospect' and the other to be 'a 3rd line guy', when their statistics in the same league at the same age were basically identically. And draft position isn't anything to be crowned over, just because Johnsson's a seventh round pick doesn't mean I'd take Frederik Gauthier over him [both were 2013 picks]. I put Johnsson in the same talent range as Kasperi Kapanen, and tbh, I'd value both higher than Max Jones atm - unless Jones proves at the NHL level he's better, i'm sticking with that.

20 Jan 2019 18:31:06
Vbb, you're completely wrong and why you hate every player on Edmonton? Draft position means alot, that's why players drafted higher are more likely to make nhl then guys drafted 150th, can find late bloomers late but the chance of a guy being drafted 6th, very slim chance they'll ever play a game in nhl.

20 Jan 2019 20:41:14
TSS, you’re right in saying we don’t know who’s better until Jones is a NHL regular. But unless the ducks have given up on Jones and I doubt they have because he’s 20, they wouldn’t trade him straight across for Johnsson. His potential is higher.

VB would you be saying that is Puljujarvi was a point per game in the AHL? The Oil management is garbage not Puljujuarvi. I get more and more confindence in him being a good player as the season goes on.

20 Jan 2019 20:55:55
Atta boy vb.

20 Jan 2019 20:57:08
He was itching to bring in Puljujarvi oh yes he was.

20 Jan 2019 23:01:41
Jones = 2× Johnson lol.

02 Jan 2019 15:28:48
Ott: Dzingel, conditional pick 2020
Ana: Josh Manson

Pick is a 3rd if Ducks don't resign, 4th if Ducks make playoffs but don't resign, 5th if they resign.

02 Jan 2019 16:34:50
Manson is worth 3 times more then Dzingel.

02 Jan 2019 17:42:36
haha got to be Rambo's burner account. aptly named as well.

02 Jan 2019 23:12:59
His name is delusional for a reason.

03 Jan 2019 14:56:16
Dzingel instantly becomes leading goal scorer and second in points on Ducks. And adds speed that the Ducks need.

21 Nov 2018 11:10:20
Ana: Montour, Kase

Tor: Nylander, Bracco

21 Nov 2018 15:36:31
I could get behind that. I’m not overly sold on Bracco at all and I like kase’s speed and forcheck. Haven’t watched him a Toni but when I have, I see a lot of the same qualities as kapanen. Really fast and relentless hounding pucks.

10 Oct 2018 17:55:10
Anaheim Trades
Kase
Montour
1st Round Pick 2019
2nd Round Pick 2020

Toronto Trades
WNylander
Marincin
4th Round Pick 2019

Thoughts ?

10 Oct 2018 18:16:21
Marincin has no value. He’s to good for the AHL. Not good enough for the NHL. You will probably see him in the KHL next year.

10 Oct 2018 19:04:03
I love the idea of trading Nylander and let’s say Brown and maybe a pick to Anaheim for Kase and 1 of Montour or Manson, seems to me it is something the leafs should really consider.

10 Oct 2018 20:54:37
Nylander is great and all but you think he can get Montour, Kase, a 1st annnnd a 2nd? Pinball take a hike bud.

09 Oct 2018 14:25:33
Once Kase is back from his concussion:
To Anaheim:
Nylander, Brown, Zaitsev
To Leafs:
Manson, Kase

Nylander goes over to replace Perry long term, and Anaheim can either keep Perry on LTIR or deal him

Deadline deal:
To Columbus
Gardiner (extension), Marincin, Moore, 2019 2nd
To Leafs:
Savard, Milano

Lines
Hyman/Tavares/Marner
Marleau/Matthews/Kase
Johnsson/Kadri/Kapanen
Milano/Lindholm/Leivo
*Goat, Ennis
Rielly/Manson
Dermott/Savard
Hainsey/Ozhiganov
*Holl
Anderson
Sparks

Posted this on the leafs rumours site but I wanted more opinions on it

09 Oct 2018 16:23:20
The Columbus deal would have to happen first so we have Savard to replace Zaitsev when we trade him. Otherwise we short ourselves at RHD again. Granted, Manson is better than Zaitsev. But we need someone to compliment him, not replace him.

The Anaheim deal looks pretty good. Not sure Anaheim will be wanting to move Kase though. They need all the forwards they can get.

The Columbus deal looks like it favours the Leafs. Let’s just say for arguments sake if, and it’s a big if, Gardiner = Savard, then I don’t feel the rest of what you are offering is equal to Milano. He said going to be a real stud. Marincin is garbage. Moore is half decent prospect, and the 2nd May never work out. For Milano you would have to be willing to give up a decent NHL player who can contribute immediately.

I like all the guys you suggested. Lineups look good. With a little tweaking, I think you have the right idea.

09 Oct 2018 17:06:02
Couldn’t we just do this until the Savard trade
Rielly/ Manson
Gardiner/ Hainsey
Dermott/ Ozhiganov
*Holl, Marincin
I mean Hainsey already has top 4 experience and he can cover for Gardiner’s mistakes so why not?

09 Oct 2018 17:11:15
Also, I know Anaheim won’t want to move Kase, which is why I send back Brown as well, so they are actually getting 2 forwards back for 1
Milano isn’t going to be that good, he is playing 4th line right now and is basically a replacement of Brown, if anything I would add Leivo because we already have Ennis.

09 Oct 2018 17:50:52
Pretty sure anahiem doesn't have the cap room to do this. Unless they plan to waive kesler and perry when they get back from injury. Then this deal turns into perry kesler manson kase for nylander brown and zaitsev which I don't think they even consider.

09 Oct 2018 18:47:31
Brown+Zaitsev=6.6mill
Manson+Kase=6.7mill
That cancels out
Nylander=Perry
The whole point of this deal for Anaheim is to have a long term replacement for Perry, his contract is more then Nylander’s will be so when Perry gets back, the ducks can deal him as well for defence, you could say the ducks win this deal by a landslide
They don’t have to do anything with Kessler.

09 Oct 2018 18:54:42
Sorry I meant to say defence prospects, not defence because that would also mess with the cap.

09 Oct 2018 20:01:04
One more thing, and I know this will start a heated conversation
Gardiner is better, actually WAY better then Savard
He has WAY more trade value, especially with an extension
Gardiner-52 points in 82 games (not injury prone), +9 playing with Zaitsev, $4.05 mill salary
Savard-16 points and +2 in 81 games (not injury prone) last year, $4.25 mill salary
Who would you rather have?
Answer: Gardiner

Just because Gardiner gives up the puck a bit more then average doesn't mean he is a bad defender, all of you act like he is Ryan Murray, which isn't even close in comparison.
Plus most of the time when he does cough up the puck, he recovers it, the Boston game was just an example of what can happen if he coughs it up to one of the best lines in the league and can't recover, which would happen to any normal, or even elite defenceman.

I honestly think this deal is more fair and realistic:
To Columbus:
Gardiner (extension), maybe a "guy" (Marincin, Goat)
To Leafs:
Nutivaara, Milano

But obviously you all don't think he is worth $6 million dollars

Every layer has flaws, but the thing about Gardiner's is that he makes one, recovers the puck, and gets an assist, goal, or makes a beauty pass after, you have to look past his flaws and you can really see what a special ELITE $6 million plus player he really is, he deserves to be treated that way.

The only reason I'm trading this guy so much is because the leafs can't afford his contract next year, but they could afford Nutivaara's, which is looking like a much better trade right now then the Savard (who looks like he is declining in skill) deal.

09 Oct 2018 21:54:24
Gardiner definitely has more value then savard you may not like Gardiner but the reality is Numbers don’t lie.

09 Oct 2018 22:35:06
If they can trade perry. But that's a big IF.

09 Oct 2018 23:06:27
@Habby, your not wrong, it is an if, but if it came down to Perry or Nylander, who would you rather have?
Also, I can see Perry being like a Rick Nash from last year, lots of injuries and a high contract but he puts up points, so maybe Boston trades one of their picks and prospects for him to fill the hole on their right wing side, or a team like Columbus if they lose Panarin may ask about him, or a playoff hopeful like Buffalo who wants to up their offence and maybe trade a guy like Alex Nylander to do it, just a few examples of who would be interested.

09 Oct 2018 23:23:14
I think Anaheim views Kase as a potential long term Perry replacement. I personally think he’s undervalued here and Anaheim is very high on him. Gardiner has more value than Savard, and numbers may not lie but can be deceiving. got to look at Gardiners future output on a team that isn’t Toronto as what he did before Matthews Marner and Nylander, and those numbers are very different.

10 Oct 2018 00:01:23
Yeah, Perry won’t be easy to trade. That’s a big dollar amount attached to an aging player who will be coming of a serious injury.

10 Oct 2018 00:23:22
Anaheim will never be able to trade either Perry or Kessler.

Gardiner and savard are two completely different style players. It’s like comparing apples to oranges. The only thing they have in common is their job title. Except Savard can actually play defense. The only reason Gardiner has 52 points is a + player is because of the forwards in front of him. For most of his career until the likes of Matthews, Marner, and co. came along, Gardiner was deep in the minus. Gardiner is a beneficiary of having such a talented forward group to play with now, not the other way around.

10 Oct 2018 00:48:53
No Gardiner was a minus because he played for the worst team in the league, then when he joined an actual playoff team, he played like a normal defenceman would.

10 Oct 2018 03:01:33
@ mostleaf obviously I'd rather nylander lol. That isn't the point plus the perry situation is nothing like nash was last year. Nash was a pending ufa perry has 2 more years after this one at 8.5 mil. The only way the ducks can trade him is if they take back someone else on a hefty contract and therefore they would still be over the cap like I said.

10 Oct 2018 12:49:13
Anyone else just cringe after reading LeafsGMs analyst of Gardiner. +/ - is team star and the leafs had the worst team in the nhl Gardiner can’t win him self.

 
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