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24 Apr 2018 10:58:20
Trying to rework the flames, let me know what you think is accurate:

Cgy: trades brodie
Ott: trades hoffman

Cgy:trades stone
Tor: trades johnsson + 3rd rounder

Cgy: trades lazar and a 3rd rounder
Ana: trades kase

Gaudreau monahan hoffman
Tkachuk backlund frolik
Bennett jankiwski ferland/mangiapan
Johnsson kase mangiapane/ferland

Giordano hamilton
Kulak hamonic
Valimaki andersson

24 Apr 2018 13:07:10
-I think Ottawa would want younger players back if they were to trade Hoffman.
-Toronto laughs at you, they aren't reading Andreas Johnsson for that. They have developed him for a while and really like him.
-Anaheim says no.

24 Apr 2018 13:07:22
Leafs will keep Johnson no interest in Stone.

24 Apr 2018 16:23:35
So easy no from every team not Calgary.

24 Apr 2018 20:43:29
I know he doesn’t have a big name but that is such an easy no from Anaheim. Look up his stats, he should get around 50+ points next season.

24 Apr 2018 12:04:28
I personally value Brodie a couple notches over Hoffman because of position and the fact that Brodie is consistly a solid defensemen who acumulates points while Hoffman is very good but when he dosnt have the puck dosnt bring much else to the play. If he played a grinding styke as well i'd say it was a good trade but for his production ( around 50 points a year) you don't get a defensemen who gets alnost that himself ( more like 40 points) and also play a great solid all around game.

05 Apr 2018 11:35:02
Mtl: Chuck, Gallagher

Ana: Rakell, Jacob Larson

Mtl gets a good real number one center who's only 24 and coming off a 66 points season. Anaheim gets Chuck who's coming off a meh season and needs a change of scenery. They also get Gallagher who's going to become instantly a fan favorite in Anaheim. Mtl adds a good defensive prospect in the pipeline.

05 Apr 2018 13:07:01
Lmao. Ducks laughs.

05 Apr 2018 13:10:39
Rakel is not a number one Center he is a winger and would be 3rd on the depth chart behind Kessler and Getzlaf.

05 Apr 2018 15:19:29
Not even close. Habs would add to galchenyuk ans gallahher to get rakell alone. 24 years old, back to back great years and signed for 5 more years at less than $4mill. That’s a contract that a team can’t afford to trade, and definitely not adding a good prospect with it lol.

17 Mar 2018 01:33:24
It's doubtful if Philadelphia can afford Wayne Simmonds' ($3.975MM UFA in 2019) next contract. He's a consistent high 20's-low 30's goal scorer, great on the power play, and has many intangibles. If Hextall opts to trade him before the draft, I'd propose:

Arizona: Simmonds
Philadelphia: Nick Merkeley, 2018 2nd, Conditional 2019 3rd (if Arizona re-signs Simmonds and he scores 20+ goals in 2018-19)

Arizona's power play is awful, they need veteran leadership, and goals - all of which Simmonds can bring. They also have the cap space to re-sign him.

Anaheim: Simmonds (25% retained)
Philadelphia: Sam Steel or Max Jones, 2018 1st, Conditional 2019 3rd (if Anaheim re-signs Simmonds and he scores 20+ goals in 2018-19)

Anaheim is less likely to re-sign given their cap situation is tighter. Anaheim's power play is also bad and he'd be a great addition to their third line and can easily play up the roster if necessary. Anaheim is a borderline playoff team this year, but they've had abysmal injuries and will likely be better next year.

17 Mar 2018 12:29:43
I think the Arizona one is bad. The ducks one is closer. Think of the forwards that moved this year at the deadline, like statsny as a rental (1st, prospect) Kane as a rental (cond. 1st, 4th ans prospect), Tatar with some term left (1st, 2nd ans 3rd) and Hartman (1st, 4th and prospect) . Simmonds with a year left, especially in the one you have Philly retaining off his already great cap hit is worth more. Merkeley and a 2nd isn’t close. They would just keep him for a playoff run and let him walk if that’s the return.

17 Mar 2018 13:19:15
Arizona are still in rebuild mode
And Ducks ain’t giving top prospect + 1rd pick lmao.

17 Mar 2018 13:33:25
Unbiased Jim:

I tried to design both trades as though the return was even ie Steel or Jones/ Ducks 1st = Merkeley/ Arizona 2nd given the conditional picks are near the same where both teams would finish in next year's standings. The salary retention evens it out a bit more but Anaheim needs it more than Arizona. Simmonds will likely walk for Anaheim but Arizona is where he can get paid. Given your rental return, I think I may be undervaluing Simmonds (I'm a Flyers fan btw) ; I just didn't want to be the prototypical homer on here ie Simmonds for Dahlin+.


I don't think the Coyotes are actually in rebuild mode. They got rid of Tippett last year and traded a high 1st (7 OA if my memory is correct) and Deangelo for Rantaa and Stepan. I think they want to move talent into the present to become respectable again. I think this fits.

I put in Merkeley because he seems to be a Hextall type player: great hockey IQ, centre who can play wing, not afraid to get into the dirty areas, great vision and playmaking. He's Travis Konecny 2.0.

17 Mar 2018 15:27:24
Yeah. Your reasoning makes sense. I think that when a player like Simmonds becamomes available, a lot of teams will bid. And when a player like him that makes less than $4 mill is available, just about every team is able to make that cap number work in an offseason deal. Having 20+ teams interested is going to get the price up.

23 Feb 2018 12:35:54
Since Bobby Ryan has apparently no value
To ANA - Bobby Ryan (OTT retains 20%)

To OTT - JT Brown, 3 rd pick

Eaves to LTIR would clear enough cap space

Rakell / Getz / Perry
Cogs / Kesler / silvy
Ritchie / Henriq/ Kase
Wags / verm-grant/ Ryan

OTT dumps Ryans contract and can extend Karlsson or trade him for full value to rebuild.

23 Feb 2018 12:48:55
Ducks have more important things to spend 5.5-6 mill on. And if your thinking is that he had great success in Anaheim, he did, while playing with Getz and Perry. He’s not finding that game again playing 4th like with vermette and Wagner.

23 Feb 2018 13:00:02
My thinking is that it’s a lot cheaper than renting Mcdonagh or Evander Kane. He’s skilled enough to play well against others teams 4th lines and won’t be a defensive liability. Would trade him after the season for a pick (Ari) to dump the remaining salary that could be used for Kase Montour etc.

23 Feb 2018 15:17:48
I get what you’re saying but This has been a hard contract to dump already. If ducks take it, then no one else wants it, now they start losing the young guys that they can’t afford, or have to give a prospect and a 1st for another team to take it from them, it’s no cheaper than paying the price for a true rental like Kane or getting a Hoffman or patches at the end of the day. Think it’s a bad idea unless like the other rumours, a bad deal goes back (lucic)

23 Feb 2018 16:03:40
Yeah I didn’t think his trade value was that bad. Originally was going to try to swing a way to get Kane but GMBM doesn’t want to give up the prospects. Figured if Ryan could have a playoffs similar to last year he would have a little more value than now. I agree with you though not worth losing good prospects if you can trade him down the road.

23 Feb 2018 16:17:23
Can’t trade*.

19 Feb 2018 19:55:21
Leafs: Komarov, 4th pick
Anaheim: 2nd pick

19 Feb 2018 20:46:17
I hope not. The leafs have 2 forwards that throw the body, Komarov and Kadri. I was at the game last night and even the wings finish their checks. Toronto players turn instead of hitting. The leafs are going to get roughed up come playoffs.

19 Feb 2018 23:30:59
Yeah, I would rather them keep komarov unless someone really wants to over pay for him. But to move from a 4th to a second is not worth losing a guy like him. Plays more physical than just about anyone on the leafs and a great penalty killer. Need him for playoffs unless someone wants to throw a good prospect or a late first (which probably doesn’t happen)

19 Feb 2018 09:41:22
ANA: 3rd conditional
ARI: Hjalmarsson

15 Feb 2018 19:27:47
ANA: Vermette
WPG: 2nd Round Pick 2018

15 Feb 2018 19:41:26
I wouldn't give up that much for him if I were the Jets. A 3rd or 4th round pick, maybe, more than that, forget it.

15 Feb 2018 20:38:53
Winnipeg adds pedan.

15 Feb 2018 22:37:47
Pedan lmao.

15 Feb 2018 17:54:01
LA fires the first shot in the California trade war..

Ducks Pacoretti

Habs Nick Ritchie, Sam Steele, 2018 2nd

Sharks Nash

NYR Hertl, 2018 1st, 2018 4th.

And to keep pace in the arms race....

Dallas Hoffman

Ottawa 2018 1st, Faksa, Vala

Florida 2018 3rd 2019 4th

Calgary Vrbada

15 Feb 2018 19:32:50
Seems like a lot for Nash.

15 Feb 2018 19:55:20
Lol nash ainy getting that return.

15 Feb 2018 20:29:03
Yes it is, but I think there will be a bidding war for his services pushing up the usual price tag for a UFA rental.

15 Feb 2018 20:37:22
No shot Steele is involved in the deal for ANA. He is their future down the middle.

15 Feb 2018 22:43:54
Wouldn’t hold my breath for that kinda return if I was a Habs fan. I personally think they’d be lucky to get steel straight up for Pacioretty IF ducks even had interest in him. Not s chance ducks give both steel and Richie AND a second. not a chance. GM would be unemployed if he made that trade.

15 Feb 2018 23:11:14
Seems like big overpayments for all the guys. I don't think Flames need Vrbata.

12 Feb 2018 13:31:13
OTT: Hoffman
Columbus: Milano, Gabe Carlsson

OTT: Ceci
TB: Gourde, 2nd

OTT: Phaneuf @ 50%, Smith, 1st
LA: Ladue, Vilardi, 1st

OTT: Thompson
ANA: 4th

OTT: Oduja
TOR: 4th

Ryan Duchene Stone
Dzingel Brassard Domenico
Pyatt Pageau Milano
Gourde White Paajarvi

Karlsson Chabot
Ladue Wideman
Carlsson Boro

Claesson, Harpur depth
Chlapik, Vilardi on way

Vast improvement in bottom six.

12 Feb 2018 16:34:16
Gourde has 20 goals this year. Every line he plays on scores. I wouldn't trade him for Ceci let alone with a secons but that's because i don't think Ceci is good at all. Gourde would not be on the 4th line on a team like that.

12 Feb 2018 18:56:24
Phaneuf doesn’t get you Vilardi alone lmao.

13 Feb 2018 04:36:51
would the 1st rounds in the la trade not cancel eachother out, if not ottawas be worth more?

13 Feb 2018 05:33:47
Pkane, ottawas pick will likely be top 5 or 6. los angeles pick likely 24-31 somewhere in there. that would be an immediate deal breaker for the sens imo.

13 Feb 2018 08:59:45
Haven't the Sens already traded their 1st for Duchene?

13 Feb 2018 09:33:19
Haha nice try with the Gourde trade. Not even straight up.

13 Feb 2018 16:13:51
Toronto doesn't want oduja he's to slow. Maybe 4 yeara ago.

13 Feb 2018 21:11:38
Rednick, its top 10 protected. but still, i don't think ottawa is in any place to be flaunting that pick around in trade proposals.

14 Feb 2018 10:38:37
Last 2 yes
First 3 no

Phaneuf 1 is a joke for ottawa. firstly Phaneuf will be gone but without retention.
Secondly ottawa will not trade their pick.

14 Feb 2018 17:28:19
Newsflash ram! Phaneuf was traded last night! We retained 25%.

16 Feb 2018 21:34:11
Yeah we did but that's because Dorian has no idea what he's doing. any other gm could get that deal done without retention. Dorian is a fool.

12 Feb 2018 00:58:43
To Anaheim

Toby Enstrom
Micheal Hutchinson
1st round pick

To Winnipeg

Cam Fowler

12 Feb 2018 02:56:38
Uhhhhh whaaaaa.

12 Feb 2018 03:14:26
Lol that 1st is almost worth a 2d lmao.

12 Feb 2018 04:45:52
The Jets don't need Cam Fowler and I highly doubt they will move their 1st.

05 Feb 2018 23:38:15
NYR: Mcdonagh and Grabner

ANA: Ritchie, Larsson, Bieksa (Pure cap dump) 2018 First, 2019 second

Anaheim can afford to give this up because of their depth and they receive a top pair veteran, while getting Bieksa the hell out of Anaheim. Grabner then jumps on the third line with Henrique and Anaheim should be able to make a deep run with that.

The Rangers get younger and can use Bieksa as a fill in for the rest of this year. Ritchie (21) and Larsson (20) have a ton of upside and are very affordable. Plus the two draft picks, which Bob Murray doesn't usually like to trade, but the return is worth it.

07 Feb 2018 01:14:53
Ducks Gm is not type to trade studs + draft picks for Aging players.

03 Feb 2018 10:14:48
Anaheim are contending and have amazing defence already with jacob larsson waiting for a call-up they could use some help in offence they could trade a defencive prospect so

Mtl trades

Charles hudon, 2018 3rd.

Anaheim trade

josh mahura.

04 Feb 2018 10:00:20
Just not sure where Hudon would slot in and if he is the type of player that would have as much impact in a western Conference playoff series.

02 Feb 2018 20:22:21
There's hardly any trades involving patches so I'll give Be it a shot.

Patches straight up for Sam steel

Montreal gets young talented center they want/need Anaheim adds scoring who adds immediate impact for their cup run now. I'm thinking that Montreal adds a mid round pick but to save getting my head ripped off by hand fans I didn't add. I think it works cap wise for Anaheim as they're a budget team and may exceed their internal cap to add a impact player right now

02 Feb 2018 22:11:07
While Steel is a very good prospect, I don’t think he’s proven enough to get Pacioretty. Also I’m pretty sure Marc Bergeron isn’t on a very loose leash and if this questionable move doesn’t work out his job will be very much in danger.

02 Feb 2018 22:37:34
Honestly fits both team needs absolutely but can’t see ducks pulling the trigger I don’t think they are going to have a successful cup run again this year but good post.

03 Feb 2018 01:28:11
Good post. It’s close. I think habs will want more to move patches, but don’t think ducks would add to steel for him. So I don’t see both teams being happy with it, but as close as I’ve seen in the hundreds of pacioretty ones lol.

03 Feb 2018 10:06:01
Sam Steel has proved nothing at the NHL level. Patches consistently 25-30 goal guy. Anaheim needs to sweeten the pot.

03 Feb 2018 17:04:37
Base on this and the comment

Patches + 2019 4th pick

Sam Steel + Mahura.

03 Feb 2018 17:09:11
I do agree that Sam steel is unproven but look at what’ is or could be available. there’s some young centerman that keep showing up in other posts like Dubois that are so unrealistic as far as the other teams wanting to give them up, Sam steel has the potential to be a top centerman and imo, if the ducks didn’t have getzlaf, Kessler, cokgiano etc then steel would be playing in the nhl, the ducks just have the luxury of allowing him to develope More with more ice time, which is definatley a good thing to do. Patches is a proven player and he’s definatley the best trade chip that Montreal has right now but Montreal fans can’t expect to get Dubois or barzal for him. So realistically steel is a very good option and by this time next year if they haven’t traded patches he’s not going to be worth half of what he is right now because he’ll be a ufa, if I was Montreal I’d cash in right now trade for steel, and draft a winger with this years 1st assuming they don’t win the lottery. And have Galchenyuk as your number 2 center.

27 Jan 2018 14:35:47
Ana: Jones

Mtl: Lekonen

22 Jan 2018 19:02:00
Since Tampa is one of the worst faceoff percentage teams, heading into playoffs they definitely need to improve it.
Might as well acquire Vermette just like every other team making a run lol, not to mention it’s very possible Anaheim deals him before the deadline.

TB: 2nd (or even 3rd tbh)
Ducks: Vermette

He’s 34 and not the same player as he was when he was traded for a player and a 1st back when he got traded to Chicago so I think Tampa is willing to pay this price to improve their faceoff percentage, as well as add more playoff experience to the roster. Thoughts?

22 Jan 2018 19:35:25
Makes sense. Win draws in all situations and can still fly. Good penalty killer too with that speed and smarts.

22 Jan 2018 19:45:58
Faceoffs are over rated. Tampa needs to be better but if you can win face offs and not do anything else your a liability.

22 Jan 2018 19:55:45
Jbs are you calling him a liability? Lol are you for real.

22 Jan 2018 21:02:13
Face offs are over rated? I guess so is puck possession.

23 Jan 2018 00:39:50
Hey guys scoring goals and winni g games is overrated.

23 Jan 2018 01:14:38
No. But i said if all you can do is win face offs there isn't a spot for you on a team. Still need to be able to play offense and defense (and Vermette hasn't scored much in a few years now) . Its kinda funny if you think faceoffs are extremely important but look at standings last few years. Canes Sens Panthers Sabres currently all top 10 in faceoff %. Avalanche Canes Flyers Red Wings Canucks all top 10 last year, first 3 were top 5. Edmonton Chicago and Pitt were bottom 3. Faceoff % does not correlate to success and when you dig into it it doesn't even drive possession the way you would think. Look at the numbers.

23 Jan 2018 06:08:05
It sounds like you’ve already looked at the #’s. I wonder why they try and win the face off then? They should just give it to the other team. You have to see how ridiculous that sounds.

23 Jan 2018 11:48:04
Are you for real Leafs? Did i say just give em away? No. Did i say they're meaningless? Also no. I said they are over rated and i have the evidence to prove it. Its not an end all be all stat and you don't need to be great in the face off dot to win games. The difference between first and last in face off% can be as little as 5% and if your players are good at other things you make it up quite easily. 3 of last years top 5 faceoff% and 5 of top 19 finished in bottom 12 while a bottom 3 team won the cup i don't see how its so ridiculous and absurd to say that they are overrated. It doesn't drive possession the way you would think as some top possession teams (like Tampa) don't win them while low possession teams (last years Avs) lead the league. It doesn't have a huge impact on goals or wins. Rather win them than not but they're impact is often overstated i don't know how its so "ridiculous" and "absurd" to see the direct impact of being a team that's great in the dot and one that's terrible (5/ 100 faceoff difference) doesn't impact the result a lot.

23 Jan 2018 11:56:53
Like give me something to go with other then "thats ridiculous". I realize its counter intuitive. that's why I've backed up my stance with fact and stats. And i never said they're negative or give them away like you seem to be quoting to me i just said they're overrated and the impact is not as big as people think. You triggered me haha.

23 Jan 2018 21:23:06
I guess I mean as a player. Maybe your stats back up teams can win being weak in the the face off circle. However, having 1-2 guys that can win the face off is huge in many aspect of the game. You win the face off on the PK, you kill 30 seconds. You win the draw on the PP, you get a chance to set up. You win a draw late in the game and you close out a game. I guess that is why it is sometimes such a small % that separate the good teams from the bad in face offs, because it may be 1 player that is the difference. I wasn’t saying you need 4 centerman that are good but every GM in the league would like to have 1-2 guys you can rely on. Didn’t mean to trigger you.

22 Jan 2018 03:33:17
*If Sens still had their 2nd round pick that was traded to NYR(currently would be 34th ovr pick)

OTT: Hoffman, '18 2nd

ANA: Lindholm

Sens draft a winger in the top 6.

22 Jan 2018 03:52:09
I see why would Ottawa want this. At the end of the day at 23 year old Lindholm is worth maybe te as much as Hoffman. Not terrible but replace Hoff with Dushene.

22 Jan 2018 18:13:21
Big no from Anaheim. Lindholm = Nylander or David Pastnak not Hoffman.

22 Jan 2018 19:25:42
Why does ottawa add the 2nd? Straight up is good enough. They've given away enough draft picks for no reason.

21 Jan 2018 20:00:15
Mtl: Pacioretty,
SJ: Hertl,1st round pick

Mtl: gallagher
Car: gauthier,2nd round pick

Mtl: Galchenyuk
Ana: 1st round pick,jacob larsson

22 Jan 2018 01:04:07
Probably no
No way.

22 Jan 2018 01:21:36
And then Price demands a trade. Poor Price and Weber. I feel bad for them.

20 Jan 2018 22:32:54
mtl: Chuck

clb: Abramov, Carlson, Anderson

MTL: byron

Ana: Jones


Phil: Seinham,Morin,2rd pick 2018

21 Jan 2018 06:00:43
whole lotta nope there dude. patches might get you sanheim or morin +2nd (or did you mean 3rd? ) but not both and a pick.
chucky might get you carlson if you catch columbus on a good day. doubt they get all 3.

15 Jan 2018 18:44:25

Car:Gauthier, 1 rd pick 2018

Anaheim gets out of Perry contract while he still has decent value with no retention and still gets a solid prospect and a first and Carolina gets a big top line right winger to put them over the top for the next couple years.

15 Jan 2018 19:10:25
Perry has like 6 goals in 30 something games this year.

15 Jan 2018 19:35:51
Perry ain’t getting that lol.

16 Jan 2018 01:07:44
Perry got old really fast. His decline is kinda puzzling actually.

13 Jan 2018 12:46:41
My proposition, if the Islanders look to be lagging behind in the Metro, and the Ducks want to make a deep playoff run:

Josh Bailey + Joshua Ho-Sang + Dennis Seidenberg + 3rd Round Draft Pick to the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for Kevin Bieksa (agrees to this trade because of impending deal) + Sam Steel + Jacob Larsson + 1st Round Draft Pick (lottery protected) .

- It's a lot to give up for Anaheim. No doubt. But, they alleviate Bieksa's contract, and get two top six wingers.
- New York gets a big haul for a enigmatic player in Ho-Sang, and a pending UFA in Bailey. New York may be fed up with Ho-Sang, but many teams would want him for sure, and honestly, a swap of him for Sam Steel is pretty fair. Larsson, Bieksa and the 1st for Bailey is more than fair, provided Bailey keeps up his stellar pace. If he does, basically two firsts for an 80-85 point guy is worth it.

Then NYI does:

Kevin Bieksa (50% Retained) to the Pittsburgh Penguins in exchange for a 3rd Round Draft Pick.

This future deal would be the reason why Bieksa waives his NTC. And Bieksa at 2 million is a good price to pay for a Penguins team that has been in favour of acquiring bottom pairing dman and turning them good. As well, if Cole is dealt, Bieksa makes sense as a replacement.

13 Jan 2018 18:07:33
TSS. do you think it that were to happens, Snow is basically writing off the chance to resign Tavares. trading away Bailey especially?

13 Jan 2018 18:16:47
Yeah, possible. It possibly sets up a big change for the Islanders tho. Like maybe this happens before the deadline, and on the deadline Snow ships Tavares off for a boatload of picks/ prospects (St. louis looks like a spot) . Cause idk, the current bunch in NY simply doesn't have it in them. they're defence is okay, their forwards are good, but they need something of a goalie if they want to get deep. I think they have too many bloated contracts for them to be in the realm of contention. that's why i'd think that they trade away Bailey and JT, but for a very good return on both. They could stack up on this years draft class and become a solid team. Cause imo, this Islanders team, headed by JT just doesn't seem like a true cup contender, even if moves are made.

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