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10 Oct 2018 17:55:10
Anaheim Trades
Kase
Montour
1st Round Pick 2019
2nd Round Pick 2020

Toronto Trades
WNylander
Marincin
4th Round Pick 2019

Thoughts ?

10 Oct 2018 18:16:21
Marincin has no value. He’s to good for the AHL. Not good enough for the NHL. You will probably see him in the KHL next year.

10 Oct 2018 19:04:03
I love the idea of trading Nylander and let’s say Brown and maybe a pick to Anaheim for Kase and 1 of Montour or Manson, seems to me it is something the leafs should really consider.

10 Oct 2018 20:54:37
Nylander is great and all but you think he can get Montour, Kase, a 1st annnnd a 2nd? Pinball take a hike bud.

09 Oct 2018 14:25:33
Once Kase is back from his concussion:
To Anaheim:
Nylander, Brown, Zaitsev
To Leafs:
Manson, Kase

Nylander goes over to replace Perry long term, and Anaheim can either keep Perry on LTIR or deal him

Deadline deal:
To Columbus
Gardiner (extension), Marincin, Moore, 2019 2nd
To Leafs:
Savard, Milano

Lines
Hyman/Tavares/Marner
Marleau/Matthews/Kase
Johnsson/Kadri/Kapanen
Milano/Lindholm/Leivo
*Goat, Ennis
Rielly/Manson
Dermott/Savard
Hainsey/Ozhiganov
*Holl
Anderson
Sparks

Posted this on the leafs rumours site but I wanted more opinions on it

09 Oct 2018 16:23:20
The Columbus deal would have to happen first so we have Savard to replace Zaitsev when we trade him. Otherwise we short ourselves at RHD again. Granted, Manson is better than Zaitsev. But we need someone to compliment him, not replace him.

The Anaheim deal looks pretty good. Not sure Anaheim will be wanting to move Kase though. They need all the forwards they can get.

The Columbus deal looks like it favours the Leafs. Let’s just say for arguments sake if, and it’s a big if, Gardiner = Savard, then I don’t feel the rest of what you are offering is equal to Milano. He said going to be a real stud. Marincin is garbage. Moore is half decent prospect, and the 2nd May never work out. For Milano you would have to be willing to give up a decent NHL player who can contribute immediately.

I like all the guys you suggested. Lineups look good. With a little tweaking, I think you have the right idea.

09 Oct 2018 17:06:02
Couldn’t we just do this until the Savard trade
Rielly/ Manson
Gardiner/ Hainsey
Dermott/ Ozhiganov
*Holl, Marincin
I mean Hainsey already has top 4 experience and he can cover for Gardiner’s mistakes so why not?

09 Oct 2018 17:11:15
Also, I know Anaheim won’t want to move Kase, which is why I send back Brown as well, so they are actually getting 2 forwards back for 1
Milano isn’t going to be that good, he is playing 4th line right now and is basically a replacement of Brown, if anything I would add Leivo because we already have Ennis.

09 Oct 2018 17:50:52
Pretty sure anahiem doesn't have the cap room to do this. Unless they plan to waive kesler and perry when they get back from injury. Then this deal turns into perry kesler manson kase for nylander brown and zaitsev which I don't think they even consider.

09 Oct 2018 18:47:31
Brown+Zaitsev=6.6mill
Manson+Kase=6.7mill
That cancels out
Nylander=Perry
The whole point of this deal for Anaheim is to have a long term replacement for Perry, his contract is more then Nylander’s will be so when Perry gets back, the ducks can deal him as well for defence, you could say the ducks win this deal by a landslide
They don’t have to do anything with Kessler.

09 Oct 2018 18:54:42
Sorry I meant to say defence prospects, not defence because that would also mess with the cap.

09 Oct 2018 20:01:04
One more thing, and I know this will start a heated conversation
Gardiner is better, actually WAY better then Savard
He has WAY more trade value, especially with an extension
Gardiner-52 points in 82 games (not injury prone), +9 playing with Zaitsev, $4.05 mill salary
Savard-16 points and +2 in 81 games (not injury prone) last year, $4.25 mill salary
Who would you rather have?
Answer: Gardiner

Just because Gardiner gives up the puck a bit more then average doesn't mean he is a bad defender, all of you act like he is Ryan Murray, which isn't even close in comparison.
Plus most of the time when he does cough up the puck, he recovers it, the Boston game was just an example of what can happen if he coughs it up to one of the best lines in the league and can't recover, which would happen to any normal, or even elite defenceman.

I honestly think this deal is more fair and realistic:
To Columbus:
Gardiner (extension), maybe a "guy" (Marincin, Goat)
To Leafs:
Nutivaara, Milano

But obviously you all don't think he is worth $6 million dollars

Every layer has flaws, but the thing about Gardiner's is that he makes one, recovers the puck, and gets an assist, goal, or makes a beauty pass after, you have to look past his flaws and you can really see what a special ELITE $6 million plus player he really is, he deserves to be treated that way.

The only reason I'm trading this guy so much is because the leafs can't afford his contract next year, but they could afford Nutivaara's, which is looking like a much better trade right now then the Savard (who looks like he is declining in skill) deal.

09 Oct 2018 21:54:24
Gardiner definitely has more value then savard you may not like Gardiner but the reality is Numbers don’t lie.

09 Oct 2018 22:35:06
If they can trade perry. But that's a big IF.

09 Oct 2018 23:06:27
@Habby, your not wrong, it is an if, but if it came down to Perry or Nylander, who would you rather have?
Also, I can see Perry being like a Rick Nash from last year, lots of injuries and a high contract but he puts up points, so maybe Boston trades one of their picks and prospects for him to fill the hole on their right wing side, or a team like Columbus if they lose Panarin may ask about him, or a playoff hopeful like Buffalo who wants to up their offence and maybe trade a guy like Alex Nylander to do it, just a few examples of who would be interested.

09 Oct 2018 23:23:14
I think Anaheim views Kase as a potential long term Perry replacement. I personally think he’s undervalued here and Anaheim is very high on him. Gardiner has more value than Savard, and numbers may not lie but can be deceiving. got to look at Gardiners future output on a team that isn’t Toronto as what he did before Matthews Marner and Nylander, and those numbers are very different.

10 Oct 2018 00:01:23
Yeah, Perry won’t be easy to trade. That’s a big dollar amount attached to an aging player who will be coming of a serious injury.

10 Oct 2018 00:23:22
Anaheim will never be able to trade either Perry or Kessler.

Gardiner and savard are two completely different style players. It’s like comparing apples to oranges. The only thing they have in common is their job title. Except Savard can actually play defense. The only reason Gardiner has 52 points is a + player is because of the forwards in front of him. For most of his career until the likes of Matthews, Marner, and co. came along, Gardiner was deep in the minus. Gardiner is a beneficiary of having such a talented forward group to play with now, not the other way around.

10 Oct 2018 00:48:53
No Gardiner was a minus because he played for the worst team in the league, then when he joined an actual playoff team, he played like a normal defenceman would.

10 Oct 2018 03:01:33
@ mostleaf obviously I'd rather nylander lol. That isn't the point plus the perry situation is nothing like nash was last year. Nash was a pending ufa perry has 2 more years after this one at 8.5 mil. The only way the ducks can trade him is if they take back someone else on a hefty contract and therefore they would still be over the cap like I said.

10 Oct 2018 12:49:13
Anyone else just cringe after reading LeafsGMs analyst of Gardiner. +/ - is team star and the leafs had the worst team in the nhl Gardiner can’t win him self.

09 Oct 2018 04:09:21
I'll give a few cracks at some Nylander proposals but I believe he'll resign to something similar to Pasta/Ehlers he belongs in that tier. I think a lot of people underrate him because he's shadowed by Mathews and Marner ( now Tavares ) I think he is better then Ehlers and he has PPG potential in him. Still only 22.

Toronto: William Nylander

Arizona: Jacob Chychrun,Hudson Fasching And 2nd 2019

Obviously Arizona gets someone to contend with Keller for the best forward and brings excitement to a pretty boring team. Chychrun can replace Gardiner on the 2nd pairing for Next season but for this season the leafs can play him on the right hand side.

Anaheim: William Nylander

Toronto: Ondrej Kase And 1st 2019

Leafs get a capable replacement with more of a scoring touch and a 1st. Anaheim gets a fresh Dynamic player who IMO who would mesh extremely well with Rakel and Getzlaf. He'd be an PPG+ threat could possibly lead the Ducks in points. Obviously a player like Manson and Montour but that topic has already been discussed.

Toronto: William Nylander

Vegas: Nate Schmite

Vegas gets the more skilled Dynamic player Toronto gets the Player they need aside from being right handed. Personally I don't think Vegas part with him tho.

Don't think he'll get traded to a eastern conference team IMO the last thing the leafs need is Nylander developing into a 90 point player who absolutely terrorizes the leafs for years to come.

Thoughts?

09 Oct 2018 04:26:27
I don’t want any of those packages. Obviously Nate Schmidt is really good and would be nice, but doesn’t fit our need of RHD. If you’re not filling the biggest hole on the team, why trade a 22 year old that you feel could score 90pts? (that’s pretty hopeful I think)

09 Oct 2018 04:30:18
You can forget about Schmidt. The steroid using cheat that got caught and is suspended for 1/ 4 of the season. Schmidt brings nothing to the table we don’t already have except extra scrutiny and judgement. Why on earth would Leafs even consider taking on someone so unprofessional?

09 Oct 2018 05:20:02
Haha that’s goofy some of the greatest athletes of all time used steroids when looking at football and baseball. He had the highest toi in the playoffs. No dman on Toronto can effectively play a 40 minute game Schmite can when you get into those double OT games.

09 Oct 2018 05:20:42
90 points is also hopeful but you never know.

09 Oct 2018 06:55:11
Vb. I don't think Phoenix would want to trade Chychrun.
I think Nylander has more value than Schmidt. and Kase and 1st . no thanks.

Chris Tanev, and 2nd from Canucks
For Nylander.
Ya, it's an overpayment for Tanev, but seems like you have to overpay for a Dman these days.
If you can think of a small add on from Canucks. even better.
I also see a high point ceiling for Nylander. somewhere between 80 to 90 is possible in the right situation.

09 Oct 2018 13:12:48
That's a pretty harsh condemnation for Schmidt given that from what I read had no idea he was taking a banned substance and he had so little of it in his system it would have had zero impact on his performance.

Cut the guy some slack . he's not Slava Voynov.

09 Oct 2018 14:21:56
Your giving up way too much in the Vegas Deal, Nylander for a pending UFA defenceman who was suspended for 20 games? Leafs say no. Maybe if it’s Miller and Tuch your getting the leaf consider it, but no way in this deal. I don’t think Schmidt is bad or was given a suspension that seems too long, it’s just he isn’t going to get you Nylander.
The Anaheim one ain’t bad, but I would much rather have a defencman like Manson or Montour coming back if we deal Nylander, leafs want to contend, Kase may help but he has a concussion so you never know how he may pan out
Arizona one isn’t bad but again leafs don’t need LD, they need a RD so leafs pass.

09 Oct 2018 15:39:11
I don’t see how someone doesn’t know how he had a banned substance in his body. Not possible in my eyes. And this whole equivalent to a drop in the ocean thing is bull as well. These hormones and steroids are extremely poserful, and all it takes is a tiny amount to get results. Add to that the fact that he had probably taken a cycle months before testing and it just hadn’t come out of his system yet and you get a positive result. If it looks like a cheat, it is a cheat. Comparing him to steroid using athletes in other sports isn’t even a worthwhile comparison. In baseball especially we have seen the MLB crack down on cheats. Players getting long term suspensions and even not having their records recognized and in some cases, denied entry to HOF.

Schmidt isn’t even a very good defenseman. Even if he wasn’t caught and suspended, he still isn’t worth Nylander. He brings nothing to the table except extra scrutiny. It would be a media frenzy in Toronto should he join the team. I can’t think of any reason why Dubas would trade for him.

09 Oct 2018 16:07:47
Man like I said he can play 40 minutes a night with the hardest minutes he’s not exactly a offensively gifted dman but he does the little things right. Personally I’d love Slava Voynov but i doubt the leafs would take him.

09 Oct 2018 16:10:03
Ok wild theory here, do you think he was bitten by a bug (like a mosquito) that may have contracted the steroids from another person? I mean it seems like a possibility since the amount found in his body was so small.

09 Oct 2018 16:25:50
Of course he can play 40 minutes a night. He’s on steroids.

09 Oct 2018 21:59:49
Lol I know I know people on steroids but they can’t 40 min a night in the NHL. Have you ever taken steroids? If not you can’t really comment on on the effects unless if you have a Phd in Medicine. The reality is he’d be the leafs best defensive Dman last season he was by far the Knights best dman.

01 Oct 2018 19:14:22
Just a thought
Toronto trades
Connor Brown, timishov and 2019 2nd
Anaheim trade
Josh Manson

01 Oct 2018 19:40:05
I know Anaheim liked Brown when leafs were apparently interested in Vatanen. But Manson would be coming with a 4 year contract. It would take more than timashov and a 2nd in addition to Brown to make them think about it.

01 Oct 2018 22:27:09
This trade is so unrealistic it may as well involve unicorns.

02 Oct 2018 14:48:13
LeafsGM the concept of Anaheim trading Manson is not unrealistic he is not a franchise corner piece like Getzlaf, Gibson, Lindholm, Rakel or even Fowler.
Again another stupid comment.

Also no way that brings back Manson. Leafs would probably have to part with Nylander.

02 Oct 2018 16:18:52
@vb

I didn’t say that anaheim wouldn’t trade Manson. They have a long history of trading defensemen and Toronto is a favourite trading partner of theirs. What I meant was the offer of Brown plus a couple throw ins isn’t nearly enough.

Again, another stupid comment by someone looking to make argument for arguments sake and who can’t read a post properly.

03 Oct 2018 02:50:27
“The Trade is so unrealistic it may as well involve unicorns “ that implys the concept is flawed which it is not both teams fill a need but Toronto is not giving up enough.

25 Sep 2018 20:41:51
to Philadelphia
Ritchie

to Anaheim
Simmonds

The Flyers get a player who hasn't proven themselves yet but has the pedigree to really break out soon, whereas the Ducks get a year of a very inexpensive and useful player and the chance to re-sign him. high risk, high reward for both teams.

26 Sep 2018 00:20:49
Come on man .

23 Sep 2018 14:44:25
Anaheim Trades
Silvferberg
Montour

Toronto Trades
WNylander
FGauthier
Marincin
4th Round Pick 2019

Thoughts ?

23 Sep 2018 17:58:38
Marincin and Gauthier are not NHL players. They have proven that over and over again. So they don’t hold any value.

23 Sep 2018 19:07:16
Gonna be a solid no from Anaheim.

24 Sep 2018 00:08:37
let's get the Nylander to Anaheim train rolling.

20 Sep 2018 14:36:26
3-way Deal
To SJ:
Brown, leafs 2021 2nd, Durzi
To Anaheim:
Braun, Carrick, leafs 2019 1st, Leivo, Rosen
To Leafs;
Sharks 2021 3rd, Montour

Anaheim gets better defensive depth (which they need), leafs get their defenceman, and Sharks get a top 9 forward a pick and a good prospect to help replace the depth and prospects they traded to Ottawa

20 Sep 2018 16:15:11
Anaheim gets worse defensively dude.

20 Sep 2018 17:04:18
I know Montour is supposed to be good, looks impressive, and if I were Ducks, I wouldn’t give him away without a big overpayment. But on the flip side, is he so proven and such a sure thing star that he’s worth leafs giving up Connor Brown, Connor Carrick, Sean Durzi, Josh Leivo, Calle Rosen a 1st and a 2nd? Lol I get he’s probably going to be far better than any of them. But leafs need to keep a stream of cheap youth coming up for cap reasons. That’s trading a lot of guys that could play a role for them for one guy. And before I hear how it’s biased and it’s quantity over quality, I agree, which is why I started by saying I doubt ducks do it either.

20 Sep 2018 17:17:47
The point of the ducks making this trade is to improve their depth at defence, I don’t think having Schene on your top 6 is the way to go, especially not when you could get a guy like Carrick with a low contract as well to play there
Also Braun isn’t bad, he can replace Montour on the top 4 and playing with Fowler or Lindholm, he should be very solid, so Anaheim definetly recieves quality there
Rosen can replace Peterson in a year or so
I think your overvaluing Montour here, he is a good defenceman but if you compare Gardiner to him, it’s very similar, just that one is a righty so it bumps him up a bit, as yourself, would you take that deal for Gardiner?

20 Sep 2018 20:00:04
Well there’s a maximum contract limit for each team also, so ducks losing one player and adding 4 also handcuffs them for future moves. All these things would have to be considered, it’s not just what the in and out is today but how it affects the team and the plan going forward. Durzi is a long shot player, undrafted last year then grabbed late 2nd round of this draft, so is he someone you would want to take if that roster spot being filled prevents you from adding someone of significance at the deadline this season?! That’s the problem with the quantity rather than quality proposals. got to think the ducks had at least 9 chances to draft him over 2 years. How much do they value that guy?!

20 Sep 2018 20:21:25
2 1sts, 2nd And Brown for Montour? That’s almost what Karlsson got.

20 Sep 2018 20:55:21
Problem is, this si super unrelaistic. Where have three team trades happened with this many moving parts, especially with the addition of two div rivals trading with each other.

For the Leafs, stick to one or the other, don't try this three team stuff because itll never happen unless its an extremely major deal.

Additionally, your logic is flawd for the Ducks. Montour > Braun, and Carrick and Rosen are just fillers. Theyd rather just keep Schenn and Pettersson and Sustr.

And should the Leads really trade all of those parts? Especially for another offensive dman?

20 Sep 2018 14:01:43
to Anaheim
Nylander
Zaitsev'

to Toronto
Manson
Silfverberg.

20 Sep 2018 16:15:49
That’s interesting but can’t see Toronto pulling the trigger on it.

20 Sep 2018 20:21:58
Not a bad offer at all.

20 Sep 2018 23:22:47
As a Leaf fan, I like it. A dman core of

Reilly Manson
Gardiner Hainsey
Dermott Ozighanov/ Carrick

That impresses me even being a big Nylander fan. I would an add of a pick to the Leafs though.

21 Sep 2018 04:17:08
I like it as a leaf fan. Manson would be in my top 5 choices for the leafs to target. Silfverberg is a solid 2 way forward as well which Nylander is not.

21 Sep 2018 14:08:36
Leads need Zaisev more then Anahejm tho so maybe add Bracco and a third or second I don't know where he stand in his developement.

21 Sep 2018 17:04:46
Colt. The Leafs do not add. Nylander is by far the best player in the deal.

21 Sep 2018 23:54:21
I mean take off Zaitsev and add Bracco and the pick. Is it that hard to figure it out from my comment cheryl?

22 Sep 2018 23:39:24
I think I’d do that if I were the Leafs.

16 Sep 2018 15:35:48
Well, the Nylander rumours are looking like they may actually be true, as a leaf fan I'm starting to get worried, so I thought of a solution for both the leafs RD problem and who should replace Nylander at the same time

3-way trade
To Columbus:
Gardiner (5 year extension), Nylander, Tevor Moore
To Anaheim:
Savard, Carrick, 2020 2nd-leafs, Milano
To Leafs:
Panarin (two year extension), Montour

Gardiner=Milano, Savard
Nylander, Moore=Panarin

If any of you think Gardiner isn't worth anything, look at the Karlsson trade, Gardiner was 10 points behind the guy last year and had A BAD GAME that everyone is crapping on him about, you can't judge a guy because of one game, with an extension he is probably worth like Nazem Kadri, or even a bit more then that because he is someone that the bluejackets need, they shouldn't be relying on Ryan Murray to play well on the top 4, because I hate to break it to you Jackets fans, but he isn't the next Morgan Reilly, you hold him at a way higher standard then he is, he is at MOST a Boone Jenner trade comparison and is a top 6 defenceman and no higher.
Jake Gardiner-Bad game
Ryan Murray-Bad season
Who would you rather have on your top 4?

Panarin has an extension so leafs can then trade him for a younger guy like De Brincat because Panarin has been quoted saying that he would highly consider going back to Chicago short term, and 2 years there could make him open his eyes and realize that he shouldn't go to a rebuilding NYR and instead sign with a contender

16 Sep 2018 17:10:40
Leafs aren’t running away with Panarin and Montour for what their giving up lol.

16 Sep 2018 17:31:46
Look, Nylander will resign with the Leafs. Toronto will not trade Nylander for Panarin, a player that will command more than Nylander on a long term deal. I suspect that Nylander will sign for no more than between US$6.5 million and US$7 million per on an 8 yr deal. No way Nylander gets US$8 million per on a long term deal as per internet reports.

16 Sep 2018 17:57:40
I really don’t think Nylander has any leverage. Toronto has a couple wingers that can play with Matthews. If he holds out and let’s say Kapanen starts producing on that line. Nylander’s value will go down and he might just lose his spot. He doesn’t seem like the player that will try to fight his way from the fourth line back to the second.

16 Sep 2018 21:06:02
Little Leafs biased eh? Make out like bandits.

16 Sep 2018 21:24:34
Look, Nylander is a guy who should get 6.5-7 mill over 8 years, but obviously that is not what is going to happen, he wants 30% more then the leafs are willing to offer him, so i don't see that happening any time soon

Out of camp and into pre-season, Nylander will not play, maybe even into the regular season. The leafs are going to see if they need him, and if they don't he is going to be traded for a better winger, and a defenceman, this deal works out perfectly for Columbus because they get something back that can help them in the playoffs, I may have offered more then I should've for Panarin, there is no denying these offers help all the teams involved

Anaheim gets better defensive depth which they need, and a young forward they can also use, plus a second round pick to sweeten the deal. Savard can easily replace Montour on the top 4 while Carrick can replace Scene on Anaheim's top 6 defence, which they could really use, especially with how low his contract is.

Columbus gets a winger who they can sign long term, which is something they would absolutely love to get back for Panarin. Gardiner as I explained before would be an awesome defenceman to have an one that can play top 4 minutes instead of Murray. The only thing I can see happening in that trade is maybe the leafs add a pick to sweeten it, but other then that it looks good to me

The leafs get their defenceman to play with Reilly, while they also get someone to replace Nylander, and who they can trade later on to reclaim a younger but still talented player, like DeBrincat, Panarin may want to go back to Chicago anyway so that may work out perfectly.

16 Sep 2018 22:03:15
I don't recall the last time Gardiner won the Norris, comparing him with Karlsson is laughable.

17 Sep 2018 03:19:29
Gardiner is not Karlsson I know, but last year he was better then Morgan Reilly, he had the same amount of points as Reilly and a better +/ - while playing with Nikita Zaitsev, who wasn’t as solid last year and who was worse then Ron Hainsey
You can say Reilly played less games, but he was still -4 in the regular season, which isn’t that great as a defenceman playing on a 100+ point team
Gardiner isn’t worth trading Reilly, but he is very close to Reilly’s trade value if not better, as I said before he is a 52 point defenceman, your all underestimating him and he is worth so much more then you think, especially with a contract extension
Jake Gardiner is VALUABLE
If you don’t view it that way then somethings wrong.

17 Sep 2018 14:28:16
First off, Rielly played top pair with a 40 year old against top lines all year. So when he was on the ice, so was Kadris line most of the time as the shut down forwards. When Gardiner was on the ice, he was facing second line offensive players and had Matthews and Nylander on the ice with him. If you can’t see a benefit there that sways plus minus in jakes favour, I can’t help you lol

That being said Gardiner definitely has value, he’s a 28 year old puck mover coming off a 52 pt season and an extremely reasonable cap hit of $4 mill for another season. However nylanders rights with $8mill demand, Gardiner (even resigned) and Trevor Moore, who I’ve see play a lot and is a long shot to play in the NHL does not get you Montour and Panarin lol if Nylander came with a reasonable contract, it’s closer, but if he would sign reasonably, then you don’t trade him to get an older, more expensive winger with less years of control. Either way, it’s flawed.

18 Sep 2018 02:59:05
The leafs don’t do the major trading for Montour, Savard comes from Columbus and already make up half if not more of the trade value of Montour, the leafs give two elite players, a second, an underrated top 6 defenceman, and a prospect in Moore who is way closer to the NHL and could potentially get in next year, and in return get two elite players, seems fair to me.

05 Aug 2018 16:41:32
Ducks Trade
Montour

Leafs Trade
Connor Brown
Borgman
1st Round Pick 2019

Thoughts ?

05 Aug 2018 17:23:06
Classic Pinball.

05 Aug 2018 21:05:22
Anaheim laughs at this and never bothers dealing with us again LOL.

21 Jul 2018 09:21:46
Two Anaheim trades making both teams better (IMO)

Trade 1:
CBJ - Panarin
ANA - Silfverberg, Ritchie, Welinski, Conditional 3rd (2nd if Panarin signs extension with ANA)

Trade 2:
MTL - Pacioretty
ANA - Silfverberg, Pettersson, Conditional 3rd (2nd if extension is signed)

21 Jul 2018 15:02:20
Huge no from Columbus and Montreal.

21 Jul 2018 15:25:45
Maybe from Montreal but defiant no from Columbus.

21 Jul 2018 21:30:54
Pacioretty: 2017-2018 17G 20A 37P -16, $4.5MM UFA 2019, age 29
Silfverberg: 2017-2018 18G 27A 45P E, $3.75MM UFA 2019, age 27

Why would Anaheim even add to a straight swap?

Pacioretty has onerous contract demands ($8MM x 8 years) . He has a chip on his shoulder for signing a team friendly contract with Montreal and wants his next contract to pay back some of the value he gave away on his last one. I wouldn't touch that baby with a 10 foot pole or at best view him as a rental.

PS If you tell me to look back at his previous years, fine. I see his stats. But players are paid for future performance, not past performance, and Pacioretty's terrible season last year killed his trade value. If you're still unconvinced, you can have Seabrook.

22 Jul 2018 07:47:03
Yeah, def not a deal MTL says no to.

23 Jul 2018 04:23:35
no from columbus on first
no from anaheim on second.

04 Jul 2018 03:16:13
Anaheim trades: montour, 2nd round pick

Toronto trades: Nylander

What do you guys think? Maybe other pieces added

04 Jul 2018 04:32:52
No from toronto my dude

04 Jul 2018 04:33:14
Value is there.

04 Jul 2018 05:01:18
I agree McJesus the value is there for Nylanders skate gards. Would you trade Drais for Montour and 2nd. Let’s hear your argument on how Drais has more value then Nylander.

04 Jul 2018 05:38:20
VB drais absolutely does not have more value then Nylander. It's close but by stats, age and skill level i'd say nylander has more value. And i love edmonton and hate toronto so that's a pretty non biased opinion on my behalf

04 Jul 2018 06:15:32
I remember saying on here that I would have taken draisitl 1st overall the day he was drafted and I stick by that. But him and nylander are pretty close. The difference in the two could be determined with nylanders new contract. if he signs for say 6 mil per then he would have more value then IMO.

04 Jul 2018 06:52:21
Because draisaitl is a centerman who put up back to back 70 point seasons and is just as young and is the second best player on the oilers while Nylander is like the third or fourth according to all those leaf fans lol .

04 Jul 2018 08:48:48
Even with 8,5m cap drai has more value, he is Center without mcdavid he would have been nr1 center, Numbers till it all? 77 and 70 points as center makes he's value higher than Nylander end of story.

04 Jul 2018 12:12:49
C, Draisaitl 8.5M
C, Nylander N/A (maybe 6M)
• both 22
• Nylander shoots R
• back to back 61P seasons nylander
• 77P and 70P seasons for Draisaitl

But drais also played with the best player in the league. Nylander is faster and has better hands. If he signs for less than 6M or exactly 6M then Nylander hands down. But its close for me.

04 Jul 2018 12:26:46
I think they’re very close in value but Billy and happy are right contract says a lot also Drais had the best player in the NHL to play with and without him he was not nearly as effective. I’ll give him this tho in the 2016-2017 playoffs Drais looked like a stud.

04 Jul 2018 13:03:31
Wow let’s over hype no compete nylander this guy is a solid hockey player he is a piece though. Nylander and drais value are not close at all drais has way more value. Nylander couldn’t even stay on the first line last year cause some games he decided to take off. I think leafs need to move him and get back a different piece that can help them out.

04 Jul 2018 13:43:37
Well, leave to vb fo completely change the topic and make it about a player not even mentioned. And saying drias got to play with the best player in the world, yes, but nylander is playing with a bunch of talentless chumps? don't think so.

04 Jul 2018 14:35:32
Draisatl has more value. Nylander s next contract would have to be really good to change that. Nylander was drafted as a centre also and has played a bit of it, but obviously not as much as draisatl because he didn’t have to here with Matthews/ Kadri/ bozak and will never have to now with tavares. So Centre over wing makes a big difference. However Draisatl centring his own line has been FAR less effective than riding shotgun with mcdavid. Same age, draisatl the advantage in points. He has more value but not by a ton. So make that same trade up there and add in Anaheim throwing in another 2nd round pick or B prospect, would you do it mcjesus?!

04 Jul 2018 14:38:12
And saying Draisatl is Edmonton’s second best player and Nylander is leafs 4th best so he’s better is just stupid lol max paccioretty is Montreal’s best player and Malkin is Pittsburgh’s second best so patches has more value lol see how dumb that argument is?

04 Jul 2018 15:18:22
Same contract I'd take drais but if nylander is making close to 3 mil year less a year then I'd really have to think about it. i mean you can still get 20 goal scorers sometimes for that 3 mil. Right now drais is not 3 mil per year better then nylander or even 2.5mil.

04 Jul 2018 15:47:42
Well said Jim.

04 Jul 2018 15:47:13
Jim I wouldn’t make the trade if Anaheim added more for drat nope! We need him a lot more than we need Montour, hence why I think trade ain’t too bad above since leafs could use Montour more than Nylander. I’m also a big fan of Montour as well so the trades not bad.

04 Jul 2018 17:11:50
Agree with Habby. Contract is huge. It’s like the argument I made before about scheifele and mcdavid. Mcdavid is clearly the better player. But scheifele at 6.1 million for 8 years compared to 12.5 mill could almost equal itnout. Because trading mcdavid for scheifele straight up is actually like mcdavid for scheifele and trouba, or scheifele and Wheeler with what they would lose to afford mcdavid. So if Nylander signs for 6 mill, then it’s like nylander and Connor brown or Nylander and zach hyman.

04 Jul 2018 21:22:34
Well just looked up some facts and draisaitl is 1/2 Oilers that scored more without McDavid then playing with him. So guess that whole playing with the best player in the world doesn't really apply if he does better centering his own line.

05 Jul 2018 04:51:42
Which season? When he had his biggest year (2016/ 17) it was a lot more with mcdavid than without, look it up and then correct me if I’m wrong.

03 Jul 2018 05:08:42
To Leafs
• (D) Justin Faulk
• (D) Josh Manson
To Hurricanes
• (C) Nazem Kadri
To Ducks
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick - TOR
• (C) Connor Brown

Morgan Rielly - Justin Faulk
Jake Gardiner - Nikita Zaitsev
Ron Hainsey - Josh Manson

03 Jul 2018 05:27:22
I think the ducks value manson more then that.

03 Jul 2018 05:37:43
Yeah, Habbys right. They just gave him a long term deal. And I know they like Connor brown because they wanted him last off season in a vatanen trade, but that 1st should be pretty late (I hope) . Ducks want more.

03 Jul 2018 09:01:48
So a pick that's prolly between 25 and 30 plus Brown gets you Manson? Yeah, sure.

03 Jul 2018 16:17:32
I’d love josh Manson. Take out Faulk and add for Manson. Faulk is garbage deffensively and the leafs already have enough deffensive D.

02 Jul 2018 03:01:00
3 Trades to help Edmonton next season:

1.
To Edmonton
• (RW) Corey Perry
To Anaheim
• (LW) Milan Lucic
• (C) Ryan Strome (Rights)
• (2019) 1st Round Pick

2. (Hanifin & Lindholm comparable)
To Edmonton
• (LW) Jeff Skinner
• (D) Justin Faulk
To Carolina
• (RW) Jesse Puljujärvi
• (D) Oscar Klefbom
• (2019) 2nd Round Pick
• (LW) Tyler Benson

3.
To Edmonton
• (RW) Mats Zuccarello
To New York R
• (C) Ryan Nugent-Hopkins


Free Agent Signings - Michael Grabner (2M x 1Yr) & Derek Ryan (1.25M x 2Yr)

Projected Lines

Jeff Skinner - Connor McDavid - Mats Zuccarello
Kailer Yamamoto - Leon Draisaitl - Corey Perry
Jujhar Khaira - Drake Cagguila - Michael Grabner
Ty Rattie - Derek Ryan - Zack Kassian

Darnell Nurse - Justin Faulk
Kris Russell - Adam Larsson
Andrej Sekera - Matt Benning

02 Jul 2018 03:50:37
way too much for skinner and faulk.

02 Jul 2018 19:35:44
Zucc for nuge is beyond pathetic. Jeez and both the free agent signings were already signed July 1st.

30 Jun 2018 19:55:03
Trying to gauge EK’s value is hard. However, here are a few deals that I could see happening (in terms of realism, at least) :

(D) Erik Karlsson + (RW) Bobby Ryan + (G) Marcus Hogberg to the Vegas Golden Knights in exchange for (LW) Tomas Tatar + (C) Nick Suzuki + (D) Colin Miller + 2019 1st Round Draft Selection.


(D) Erik Karlsson + (LW) Marian Gaborik to the Vegas Golden Knights in exchange for (C) Cody Glass + (D) Shea Theodore + 2019 1st Round Draft Selection.


(D) Erik Karlsson + (C) Zack Smith + 2019 4th Round Draft Selection to the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for (D) Josh Manson + (C) Sam Steel + 2020 2nd Round Draft Selection.


(D) Erik Karlsson + (RW) Bobby Ryan to the Colorado Avalanche in exchange for (D) Connor Timmins + (C) Colin Wilson + (LW) Vladislav Kamenev + 2019 1st Round Draft Selection (OTT) .

30 Jun 2018 20:03:48
First two aren’t bad, but the ducks one I think is pretty bad for Ottawa. I like Manson and think Steele is a great player but that’s not enough for Karlsson. And a 2020 2nd? No way from Sens.

30 Jun 2018 20:47:06
1st 2 are to much for Karlsson IMO because he’s being dealt as a rentel but i like the other 2 no way he gets Glass AND Theodore. Lindholm and Karlsson would be an unreal.

30 Jun 2018 21:25:53
@vb

why do you still comment?
to give people laughs?

30 Jun 2018 22:53:32
Yes that’s why I’m practicing my stand up act how do you think it’s going?

01 Jul 2018 05:01:21
When doing stand up you want people to laugh with you. Not at you.

01 Jul 2018 06:03:05
It’s kind of a new generation thing I’m bringing a new style that I’m going to Trade mark.

03 Jul 2018 03:15:27
Its going to be hard for ottawa to gauge what ek is worth if they throw a bunch of crap in to go with him, it sounds like that's the route they want to take. but as a sens fan, i really hope they sell him on his own.

29 Jun 2018 09:50:07
Lucic to ANA to be closer to his family.

To Anaheim
• (LW) Milan Lucic
• (2019) 1st Round Pick
• (C) Ryan Strome
To Edmonton
• (RW) Corey Perry

29 Jun 2018 15:28:19
Corey perry’s Contract is worse than Lucic’s.

29 Jun 2018 15:57:36
No it’s not at all he’s still a 1st line player putting up 50 points ( 70 with McDavid ) also he’s a great veteran presence. Lucic is an ahler with way larger term but at 2.25 mil less.

29 Jun 2018 17:14:01
Marner a franchise player now Lucic is an AHLer. Holy over exaggerating lately vbb. Wow.

29 Jun 2018 17:14:08
Wtf vb.

29 Jun 2018 20:19:47
Okay he’s not an AHLer but he’s a 4th liner that’s no better then Ryan Reeves. Definitely not worth 3 million let alone 6 million. And I don’t take back what I said about Marner he has the potential to be a franchise changing player and he’s already a game changer.

29 Jun 2018 22:28:53
Wow. 😳🙄.

29 Jun 2018 23:57:38
Marner is good but not great I’m happy he is not on my team, I wouldn’t wanna pay him that much (future) to just be an ok goal scorer! He’s far from elite he reminds me of a worse Johnny hockey.

30 Jun 2018 16:19:34
You’re happy he’s not on your team? Ya nobody wants a fast 21 year old with 61 and 69 points in their first 2 seasons. You have no idea what’s he's going to be paid and I’m sure it will be similar to what other players in the league get paid to bring what he brings. Nobody, other than vbb’s is saying Marner is a superstar but I’m sure any team would love to have him. Don’t be a dummie, we have enough of them on this site already.

29 Jun 2018 06:00:00
We all heard the rumours about Lucic. His family is in LA. He wants to be close to them. Kings, Sharks, and Ducks won’t want him. Coyotes are the best option.

Coyotes: Strome
Oilers: Lucic and 1st 2019

Oilers get good cap space. Also, Strome isn’t working out with the coyotes. Maybe with his brother and his friend, McDavid, things would be better for him. He is also a first round pick with good potential.
Arizona gets good leadership for the young talented players and they get a 1st rounder.

29 Jun 2018 06:28:51
I saw the article you got this from and as I don’t think coyotes would part with Strome for that, I do believe they would consider moving him if oilers added another piece that makes it interesting. Just idk what they’d add.

29 Jun 2018 16:43:03
Yah no way the Yotes touch that Strome still has potential imo Lucic just about cancels out all the value the 1st holds.

26 Jun 2018 16:58:08
Anaheim:Pacioretty

Montreal:Steel,2nd

Anaheim gets a 30 goal scorer

Montreal gets a future top 6 center

Do both teams accept?

26 Jun 2018 18:09:48
Not bad. I’m sure habs fans will want a 1st rounder, but Sam Steel is a good prospect in a position of dire need. I know they just drafted a boat load of centres but steel is closer than any of them besides maybe Kotkaniemi. If paccioretty doesn’t wanna be there, like his signing demands seem to indicate, this would be terrible.

26 Jun 2018 18:48:16
Unfortunate their 3 way trade didn't work at the trade deadline. Apparently they had something in place with NYI and BUF around RoR, Patches, and 11 OAP. would have been epic.

27 Jun 2018 03:57:12
That woulda been sweet hey Turkey? I hope they can somehow get Oreily.

27 Jun 2018 10:30:11
I like the idea.

18 Jun 2018 11:55:10
Heard that Anaheim was in on lucic

Would this be fair

Edm: lucic , jones

Ana: Perry

Perrys contract is bad too

18 Jun 2018 16:48:13
No Edmonton definitely adds a lot Perry is still a top line player while Lucic is terrible.

13 Jun 2018 16:04:48
Edmonton:
Corey Perry RW
3rd 2019

Anaheim:
Milan Lucic LW
2nd 2018

13 Jun 2018 16:27:43
Oilers add a lot Lucic has nagitive value. Perry is still great.

13 Jun 2018 16:55:10
Perry great 😂.

13 Jun 2018 17:03:59
No from Anaheim. Remember when the oilers were offered Perry and a 1st for Mike Comrie? But, Lowe demanded Comrie pay back his signing bonus and that killed it.

13 Jun 2018 19:52:43
Hahaha, great players usually get more than 33 points if they're a scorer. 16 rookies had more point so I guess they're all superstars.

13 Jun 2018 20:52:59
Spittin chiclets listener, Pitt? Haha love it.

14 Jun 2018 00:40:45
Yah I agree 33 Point scorers are 3rd liners but I’m not really sure how that’s Relevant considering he scored 50 points this season. On a off year. Put him with McDavid like Lucic he’s good for 35+ Goals.

 
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