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20 Dec 2014 08:15:22
If you were a Canucks or Sabres fan, would you do this trade again today?

Vancouver: Zach Kassian

Buffalo: Cody Hodgson

Both haven't been doing as good as they were expected by both teams.

as95

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It is obvious that the "Village Motivator" has unable to motivate Hodgson & Stewart. IMO the Sabres won the trade & if used properly Hodgson could be a decent # 2 center.

sbr2017

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20 Dec 2014 06:43:23
CBJ: Johansen
EDM: Hall

Edmonton needs a centre, CBJ needs scoring wingers.
Johansen will likely walk to free agency if he sticks with Columbus.
Hall will likely walk to free agency if he sticks with Edmonton.
Edmonton has enough depth on the wings to give one up
Columbus has enough depth down the middle to give one up.
Both players are very capable of carrying the team & both could use a change of scenery.

Thoughts?

StaalingForTime

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I wouldn't give up my number 1 center if I was Columbus.

as95

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Johansen has 2 more years on his deal and he'll be an RFA again. He's not walking anywhere.

IslesBlowButILoveEm

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20 Dec 2014 06:02:06
i know you all are going to be clicking the unbelievable button on this one but I think this would be a deal that helps both clubs

the trade(s):

ottawa gets: staal bros ( I guess including jared because everyone says if they get dealed he'll be involved )

carolina gets: turris, cowen, chiasson, 1st 15 or 1st 16 and 2nd 15

this helps carolina a lot in their evident rebuild. I think after this trade carolina almost has a definite shot at mcdavid or eichel. they get a very solid young skilled center who I hate to see go in turris , a potential top four d in cowen , a good scoring winger in chiasson and a 1st in a very deep draft or two other very good picks

now I really don't think the sens want to rebuild right now or at least their management doesn't so we bring back the staal brothers back in ontario where they belong . murray thinks they have a playoff team but let's face it they don't. adding the stal bros I think would help this team turn into a wild card or solid playoff team. another huge benefit with this deal is that it could mean the sens could sign marc staal as a free agent and pair him with karlsson. ottawa also has the cap space to make this deal


both teams lineups when healthy( 2015-16 without additional trades or signings)

carolina

skinner turris semin
tlusty mcdavid /eichel lindholm
gerbe rask chiasson
malone mcclement nash

sekera faulk
cowen gleason
hainsey murphy

ward
khudobin

ottawa

hoffman e.staal ryan
macarthur j staal zibanejad
puempel lazar stone
smith legwand neil

m staal ( if we can sign him ) karlsson
methot ceci
borowiecki gryba

anderson lehner

i know signing m staal and methot would be hard but I think we could get it done

begin the hate

TeachMeHowToDoughty

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What have those guys ever done for ottawa

great john

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20 Dec 2014 03:31:12
The Fourth Period reports "The Oilers have several holes they'd like to fill" (I added the names)
including a top-two center, Cody Hodgson
a two-way bottom-six center, Marcus Foligno
a defensive-minded forward, Brian Flynn
a physical stay-at-home defenseman, Mike Weber

a top-pairing blueliner, Rasmus Ristolainen
and a No. 1 goaltender, Michal Neuvirth
and it may require trading players like Eberle, Yakupov and/or Hall in order to do that.

Buffalo trades Cody Hodgson, Marcus Foligno, Brian Flynn, Mike Weber, Rasmus Ristolainen, Michal Neuvirth
Edmonton trades Ben Scrivins, Nikita Nikitin, Bogdan Yakimov, Nail Yakupov
Michal Neuvirth > Ben Scrivins
Mike Weber > Nikita Nikitin
Brian Flynn > Bogdan Yakimov
Cody Hodgson, Marcus Foligno, Rasmus Ristolainen < Nail Yakupov

sbr2017

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I don't understand why you keep proposing trades for Risto. Have we not already established he's untouchable. He is a huge mobile right handed D-man which is very rare. He is just starting his NHL career and the sky is the limit for him. The fact that you think him Hodgson and Foligno is worth Yak alone is makes me sick. I'm sorry but this is the worst proposal I have ever seen. Please stop. Risto, Zads, Girgs, and Reinhart will not be moved and trade involving them is offensive unless it's is a MASSIVE! Overpayment.

sabres14

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Murray would be fired on the spot if he traded Risto for a completely underachieving Yak never mind adding Hodgson and Foligno.

sabres14

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You build a team around D and Centres not wingers. Wingers are a luxury look at the old sabres we didn't go anywhere in the playoffs cause we hand Roy and Connolly at centre. Vanek was good but he couldn't do everything much like hall. You don't trade your top (right handed, 6'4, mobile) D-man prospect ie the future of the sabres for a winger who has looked god awful in the NHL nvm adding two other decent players. Yak has good potential but he also has the potential to be the next Filatov why do you think he hasn't been moved yet?

sabres14

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Have you watched Ristolainen play? He is often out of position and he does not know how to tie up the stick of players in the slot, that is why he currently has the second worse +/- on the team even though he is paired with Zaderov who has the 3rd best +/-. BTW, on this site, I would rather be known as a person who undervalues the players for my team than over values them. Third, it would seem to me the asking price for Yakupov would be very similar to the asking price for Myers, with that in mind only Ristolainen has a high upper end of the players involved in this trade. I think we have already seen the upper limit of both Foligno and Hodgson. Lastly, I think EDM would need to add to that trade, I just do not know how much, that is why I listed my evaluation for individual players which would lead any reader to see that.

sbr2017

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@sabres14, I agree with you about how to build a team. That is why below I put together trade for Larsson, that involved players that seem to be extra in the "Village Motivator's" system. But you also commented in a trade involving Myers that the Sabres needed a top winger, that could be Yakupov. We have centers now and will have more in the future. I do not see Hodgson, Foligno, Flynn, Weber as parts to build around to form a championship team. You will also noticed that I am getting three Russians with Yakimov and Yakupov from the same town. Looking down the road, I could see a line of Yakimov, Grigorenko & Yakupov that if they played up to their potential (in January of 2012 Grigorenko was considered the 2nd top player in the draft) how many goals could you envision them scoring? Sometimes looking at an individual trade and not looking at the big picture will make a trade look unappetizing. But thanks for your feedback, it is great chatting with you.

sbr2017

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He's just starting his NHL career! He has a bad +/- because the sabres were the worst team in the NHL for half the season so far. And if you value Myers the same a Yak your crazy Myers won the Calder trophy what has Yak EVER proven in the NHL

sabres14

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Reinhart looked brutal in the NHL too in his first stint why don't we just throw him in there instead of Risto? You give up on our players way easily. Risto is also playing on one of the worst teams in hockey how do you think Jones or Hamilton or Ekblad would play on a team like ours? Zadorov only came to the sabres when we start playing good that's why he has a good +- had he been there for the first half he would of been just as bad as Risto

sabres14

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And I'd rather make realistic trades than ones that completely destroy your own team

sabres14

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Just FYI Seth Jones has the same amount of points as Risto. Jones is playing on one of the hottest teams in the NHL with arguably the best goalie in the league. That's why he has a better +/-. Otherwise I don't see much difference. Jones hasn't been all that great this season either and still has boat loads of potential but would you trade Jones, Wilson, and a 3rd liner for Yakupov?

sabres14

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20 Dec 2014 02:32:59
Trade wiercioch and a 2nd for sekera

MacArthur-turris-stone
Hoffman-zibanejad-ryan
Greening-Legwand-michalek
Condra-lazar-chiasson

Borowiecki-karlsson
Methot-sekera
Cowen-ceci

Anderson-lehner

sean_byron901

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20 Dec 2014 02:27:22
EDM: Nikita Nikitin
BUF: Tyson Strachan

sbr2017

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Tyson has been great for us and Nikita is hugely overpaid at 4.5 mill no thanks from BUF

sabres14

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Thanks for the feedback, sabres14. I am looking see if a Russian connection could be established without incurring a high cost. Strachen was a free agent, cost Murray nothing to get him, maybe his play would pick up if he were paired with Zaderov.

sbr2017

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If anything I think Murray will look to move Mezaros and/or Benoit to make room for Pysyk Strachan has played great for Nolan and he's puts a lot of faith in him. It shows by Nolan playing Tyson with Myers while gorges was injured. Tyson plays a simple game and makes smart decisions he'd make a great 3rd pairing in the future

sabres14

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@sabres14, ok
EDM: Nikita Nikitin
BUF: Andre Benoit
I would like to see Nikitin paired with Zaderov and this is not a risk for either team.

sbr2017

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19 Dec 2014 21:21:03
Coyotes- Yandle, Vermette
Penguins- Sutter, Martin, Harrington

bro2012

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19 Dec 2014 21:14:35
From Oilers: hall
Klefbom
Lander

From Bruins: erickson
Kelly
Krug
Miller
2nd ( islanders) 2015
Fraser

Bourque77

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20 Dec 2014 09:35:51
Might get you Klefbom haha.
But honestly, not close to enough for Hall.
Guess BOS starts with Hamilton, Subban, Pastrnak and a 1st. Starts.

Draisaitl_94

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All that just gets you Klebom?
We now have the most over rated player ever

leaffan

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19 Dec 2014 21:02:09
To New York Rangers:
Taylor Hall
Oscar Klefbom
Martin Marincin
2015 3rd

To Edmonton Oilers:
Carl Hagelin
Marc Staal
Mats Zuccarello
John Moore
Dylan McIlrath
Danny Kristo
Marek Hrivik
2016 2nd
Conditional 2015 3rd*
*If Staal does not resign it becomes a 2nd(Tampa Bay's pick)

Rangers lineup(once Duclair comes back):
Hall-Stepan-Nash
Miller-Brassard-St. Louis
Kreider-Hayes-Duclair
Fast-Moore-Stempniak
Ex:Chris Mueller or Ryan Malone
*Send Glass down,it will take $900,000 off our cap

Girardi-McDonagh
Boyle-Klein
Klefbom-Maricin
Ex: Hunwick

Lundqvist
Talbot

To Edmonton:
Perron-RNH-Eberle
Zuccarello-Draisaitl-Yakupov
Hagelin-Gordon-Purcell(Pouliot, when he returns)
Hendricks-Pitlick-Pinizotto(Purcell, when Pouliot returns)

Staal-Fayne
Schultz-Petry
Ference-Moore/Nikitin

Scrivens
Fasth

NYRangers3061

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There's almost no real value for Edmonton in this deal. Ridiculously one sided

IslesBlowButILoveEm

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@IslesBlowButILoveEm:How do Hagelin, Staal, Zuccarello, Moore, and others have almost no value?

Staal- would be top pairing D-man
Haggs- is extremely fast, and has good potential
Zuccs- 59 points last year, still in his 20's
Moore-young D-man, has good potential
+others like McIlrath, and other prospects.
I know Hall is good but I'm sorry but I just don't see how "there's almost no real value for Edmonton in this deal."

NYRangers3061

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Staal and Zucc (both definitely won't re sign) are UFAs, Hagelin is a solid player, Moore isn't very good, McIlrath would just be another solid D prospect, Kristo is what 24? He's a good AHL player doesn't look like he'll amount to anything, and Hrivik is in the same boat as Kristo, but he's worse. Don't tell me that the Rangers package would be worth Edmonton's top player, with 5 years of control, and their 2nd and 3rd best defensive prospects. I'm sorry, but idk what you're talking about.

IslesBlowButILoveEm

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19 Dec 2014 19:43:12
There have been whispers out of the island that Taveres wants out and now. New York doesn't want to trade him but they won't have a choice. Taveres is a special player a player to build around moving into a new building he is the building block. New York has done well this year but he seems to be lost out there a forgotten star if you will. He wants to go home and lead his team to the cup-his childhood dream. What will the Leafs have to give up to make this happen. The Leafs are all-in on this one
TML - Kadri, Reilly, Nylander, 1st 2015
NYI - Taveres
Before everyone says I am crazy think about it the Leafs will be giving up 4 potential 1st round picks in this trade. Because of this trade dominos will follow Stamkos will want to come home as well offer him the bank 11 M x 7 years having 2 superstar centres on your teram

GOLEAFSGO!

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Islanders having their best season in years, he is having another good year

i doubt he wants out, I think the whispers are the ones in your head

TeachMeHowToDoughty

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Can you provide a link where it says Tavares wants out now? Otherwise I don't see him wanting to leave the Isles are having a great season and are higher than the leafs right now

sabres14

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Tavares leaving? Where did you here this? Let me guess those guys from Toronto, Isles having best year while he's not to his full potential and once he gets going the team will be unbelievable. Why would he want to leave a winning club and go to some team that is terrible (Maple Leafs)

IslesFan94

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Kessel, Bozak, Gardiner, Reimer
for
Tavares, 2nd

leaffan

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19 Dec 2014 18:51:23
To Vancouver: Eriksson, Smith, Spooner, 3rd Round 2015

To Boston: Higgins, Markstrom, Sestio, 4th Round 2015 or 2016

penguin3217

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That's a big over payment by Boston

willi

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Awful for boston, they give up the better players and the better draft pick

Ct

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I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure Boston is trying to GET a right wing, not trade two away.

NYRangers3061

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19 Dec 2014 18:43:56
To Buffalo: Marc Methot
To Ottawa: 2015 3rd

To Florida: Rasmus Ristolainen
To Buffalo: Erik Gudbranson, 2017 3rd

Explanation: Rasmus is playing good, but I think Enroth needs some weight lifted of his soldiers, making 35+ saves every game. Don't forget Erik is a former 3rd overall pick.

Buffalo signs: Douglas Murray

NHLFunFacts

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I do not see an advantage for either team to make that trade, but I am also not aware of any reason to not make the trade. BTW I would sign Philip Larsen, or Erik Gustafsson before signing Douglass Murray.

sbr2017

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BUF will not trade Risto. He has tons of potential and is just starting his NHL career, his defensive game is only going to get better. His ceiling is much higher than Gudbransons and a 3rd definetly does not make up the difference. Risto just has a better overall skill yet no interest in moving him. Plus BUF will probably look to move out some of there veteran D to make room for Pysyk who is NHL ready not bring in more vets.

sabres14

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19 Dec 2014 21:23:16
Sorry, but these two are very, very bad.
Methot gets undervalued alot. I know he's a FA soon, but he will fetch more than a 3rd. Easily.
And the difference between Ristolainen and Gudbranson is way, way bigger than a 3rd in 3 years.

Draisaitl_94

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19 Dec 2014 17:53:48
What do you think of this huge trade??

Bos : Soderberg, Reilly Smith, Krug, L.Eriksson, 2nd 2015

SJS: Burns, Nieto.

I know many of you'll tell it's "overpayment", but Burns can be the wished winger of Boston, his kind of play can match to Bruins identity and is under contract for 2 more years.
On the other way, Soderberg is a good 3rd line center but U.F.A. in few months, L.Eriksson a player who defitnetly need a new start, and 2 dangerous skilled players who'll deserve more money than success in a near future.
2nd round pick 2015 against 1.4 M$ shed bruins salary cap.
A huge bet in fact who can succeed or failed.

CostaRica

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I don't know. I'm honestly 50/50 on this. I think Boston is giving up to much players that made their roster. And it's pretty hard to get in the Bruin's roster.

The explanation makes sense.

NHLFunFacts

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19 Dec 2014 14:45:54
To OTT: 3rd 2015, Curtis Mckenzie

To DAL: Marc Methot


Dallas pick up V. Stalberg off waivers

To EDM: Oleksiak, Garbutt

To DAL: Perron



To Buffalo:Hemsky, Jordie Benn

To Dallas: 3rd 2016, 5th 2016



To Arizona: Goligoski, Lindback, 3rd 2016

To Dallas: Yandle, Dubnyk



New Lines for Dallas 2015-2016

Benn-Seguin-Nichushkin
Sceviour-Spezza-Perron
Roussel-Eakin-Stalberg
Morin-Fiddler-McKenzie

Yandle-Klingberg
Daley-Demers
Methot-Nemeth

Lehtonen
Dubnyk

Braden482

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19 Dec 2014 17:56:42
Jamie is the stars captain, don't think they'll trade his brother (+ Hemsky) for two mid-late picks.

Draisaitl_94

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That is funny Draisaitl_94 because I do not think Murray would give away a 3rd and 5th for Jordie Benn & Ales Hemsky. So it sounds like no one likes that trade. LMFAO!!

sbr2017

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So, you get rid of a pylon goalie, and receive a pylon goalie.
Not much upgrade.
Same Height.
Lindback is 6.5
Dubnyk is 6.4

IF Dallas were to trade Jordie Benn, it would be for a prospect or another defenseman higher than his Jordie's skill.

Explanation: Jordie Benn is a good defenseman overall. And a brother of the CAPTAIN Jamie Benn. So, has to be an overpayment or a good/great prospect.

NHLFunFacts

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19 Dec 2014 21:24:43
@sbr2017: You're right. I didn't mean the value's far off.
It's just the face that he's Jamie's brother that let's me think he prolly won't be traded unless someone overpays. And there's zero reason to overpay for Jordie.
Neither team does that deal.

Draisaitl_94

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Dubnyk is playing well this year. Debatably better then Mike Smith. Jordie isn't a good defensemen, not with the stars anyways. Maybe he doesn't fit whatever but Buffalo can only take so many picks and prospects, they need veterans and maybe Hemsky will fit there, but if that's the only unbelievable trade then I'm fine with that, it was just a toss anyways

Braden482

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@Braden482 what is funny both Draisaitl_94 and I had different reasons for not making the trade, so you probably were not that far off in value (maybe too little for Hemsky), just the wrong pieces for the Sabres.

sbr2017

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19 Dec 2014 11:05:06
NJD: Adam Larsson
BUF: Cody Hodgson & Andrey Makarov

sbr2017

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19 Dec 2014 17:57:29
Overpayment by BUF.
I haven't followed that lately, but isn't Hodgson playing center? Because if, I think the Devils have more than enough when healthy.

Draisaitl_94

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@Draisaitl_94, yes Hodgson is playing better and Makarov is their top GK prospect. Larsson has the potential to be a really good D-man with the very rare right handed shot. So it may be an over-payment, but Hodgson does not seem to fit into the "Village Motivator's" future so this gets a young prospect with a high upside. Maybe the NJD add a pick?

sbr2017

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@Draisaitl_94 You are absolutely right,
Hodgson does play center.
IMO, if this trade were to happen it would send Marcus Foligno to the devils.

NHLFunFacts

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@NHLFunFacts are you recommending Foligno and Makarov for Adam Larsson?
@Draisaitl_94Hodgson plays all forward positions now.
Thank you for all of the feedback.

sbr2017

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19 Dec 2014 21:26:41
I know Larsson is talented and all, but he hasn't really shown it yet, although the Devils D is pretty bad this year.
Makarov is a really good goalie prospect from what I read, so I think he alone could fetch Larsson +.
It's not like the Devils need him, they have Schneider. I think the Sabres need him more, I like Enroth, but I'm not sure yet, if he's a #1 goalie in the league.

Draisaitl_94

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We have both Risto and Myers who shoot right and tons of other D prospects one of Myers or a D prospect would have to be traded first for this to make sense

sabres14

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@Draisaitl_94 none of the NJD GK prospects are playing that well:

Maxime Clermont .873 sv%
Scott Wedgewood .876 sv%
Anthony Brodeur .876 sv%

I do not see a Schneider on the Devils roster. So I thought a decent GK prospect would work well for NJ.

If Murray could get Larsson for Makarov, it would be another reason why he should be the manager of the year.

@sabres14, there are very few right handed defense-men in the league. If Murray could get a third at a good price, who has the potential to be a top pairing, why not.

sbr2017

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20 Dec 2014 09:39:22
@sbr2017: You do not see a Schneider? CORY? haha.
Whatsoever, I think Schneider is their #1 for at least! the next 5 years, so getting a top goalie prospects shouldn't be their #1 concern IMO.

Draisaitl_94

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Sorry, I had brain fart. I do not know what I was thinking Draisaitl!

sbr2017

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NJ would never do this, goalie isn't a need for them right now especially the way Keith Kinkaid has been playing so if NJ trades Larsson, which I think they won't, it will not be for a goalie prospect

Neymar

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19 Dec 2014 11:04:20
MTL: Jacob de la Rose, 2015 3rd
BUF: Drew Stafford (50% retained) & Johan Larsson .

sbr2017

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MONTREAL doesn't WANT STAFFORD. HE IS NO BETTER THEN PA PARENTEAU. And they wouldn't give one of their top prospects for him either.

Soobydoo

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Very interesting! I reposted two proposed trades that received overwhelming believable responses the 1st time they were posted and this time, all unbelievable. Soobydoo, thanks for the comments.

sbr2017

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19 Dec 2014 08:26:07
Higgins, Weber, Gaunce, Sestito and 2016 3rd for Loui Eriksson and Torey Krug

Lines:
Daniel-Henrik-Vrbata
Eriksson-Bonino-Burrows
Matthias-Richardson-Kassian
Hansen-Horvat/Vey-Dorset

Edler-Tanev
Hamhuis-Krug
Sbisa-Besika

Miller
Lack

Canucks

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19 Dec 2014 08:14:52
Put Tom Sestito on waviers
Pick up Victor Stalberg off waivers
Trade Higgins and 2016 2nd for Krug
Lines:
Daniel-Henrik-Vrbata
Burrows-Bonino-Vey
Matthias-Richardson-Kassian
Hansen-Horvat-Dorset
Ex: Stalberg

Edler-Tanev
Hamhuis-Krug
Sbisa-Besika

Miller
Lack

Canucks

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It appears that Victor Stalberg is on the Nashville payroll.

sbr2017

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19 Dec 2014 07:55:51
Then trade Higgins and 2016 2nd for krug and 2016 5th

Lines:
Daniel-Henrik-Vrbata
Burrows-Bonino-Vey
Matthias-Richardson-Kassian
Hansen-Horvat-Dorset

Tanev-Edler
Hamhuis-Besika
Sbisa-Krug

Miller
Lack

Canucks

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First, Boston will not be trading a D-man soon.
Second, very unlikely that Higgins and a 2nd will get you Krug.

sbr2017

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19 Dec 2014 07:37:05
To CBJ: Ference
To EDM: Future Considerations

Reason: Ference's contract is terrible, and he is playing pretty bad. He is a great captain but not a good player. I think CBJ need some leadership on their defense.

To Washington: Mike Green
To EDM: 2015 4th,Musil,2016 4th

To fill up Ference's spot.

To Phoenix: Marincin, Nikitin
To EDM: Gormley
Gormley is NOT happy with playing in the AHL. And is looking for teams that can give him a chance to play.
EDM gets rid of Nikitin

To Phily: J Schultz, 2016 3rd,
To EDM: Luke Schenn,
Might be an overpayment, but for a defenseman that is playing terrible (JSchultz) and with one year on his contract. Phily gets a good pick

This gives Hunt,Klefbom,Davidson
come up and prove themselves.

To CBJ: Jujhar Khaira
To EDM: Anisimov, 2015 4th round pick

Draisaitl plays in the AHL/ECHL

NHLFunFacts

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Get rid of a second insteade of marincin or even a third and maybe retain sme of that contract

mcdavidsweepstakes

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Washington says no to that

TMLeafs

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@TMLeafs Yeah, I probably agree.
How 'bout:

To Washington: Andrew Ference, 2015 4th, 2016 4th?

NHLFunFacts

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19 Dec 2014 20:59:16
For the last time, ference has a ntc.

Lego_oilers

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If your original post suggested Ference's value was future considerations do you really think he'd be a key piece in a trade for the Caps most valuable tradable asset. Stop kidding yourself and stop proposing trades for Green with no value to Wsh.

kuzbackov

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19 Dec 2014 06:44:20
Hall

for

Krejci/Bergeron
Subban


Add picks if need be to even it out.

thejazz97

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If you think your getting Bergeron your crazy, and if you think your getting him WITH subban, your thinking is ludicrous

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This is a joke right? because this is disrespectful to bruins fan hall is good but not that good to get bergeron

bruinsbeast

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Bergeron for hall straight up would not even happen let alone adding Subban

TMLeafs

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Sorry guys, looks like I overestimated Hall's value and underestimated Subban's.

thejazz97

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@bruinsbeast & TMLeafs you are both correct about Bergeron, he is way too valuable on both sides of the ice. But Krejci & Subban for Hall may be a little light & Boston would have to add to that trade. So as a Bruin I would not trade Bergeron for Hall, but as an Oiler I would not trade Hall for Krejci and Subban.

sbr2017

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19 Dec 2014 05:35:02
Oilers: hall

Blues: lethera + shakenkirk
Preds: forsberg + josi
Kings: toffoli + Pearson
Jackets: Johannsen +?
Flyers: couterier + Simmonds +?
Islanders: Nelson + hamonic or Reinhart or hickey
Lightning: Killorn + drouin
rangers: brassard + girardi
Bruins: Hamilton + krejci
Jets: byfulgein + scheifele
Avs: ROR + barrie (oilers add)

What do you think? Good or bad? Why?

edm oil

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19 Dec 2014 08:37:02
in my opinion hall is the only untouchable player on the oilers roster, stillz if I had to choose a trade partner within your trades proposal I would make a deal with the the jackets. I would ask jackets to add david savard to johanssen stillz I don't see the jackets moving johanssen.

habs

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Bruins trade is insulting

bruinsbeast

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Some of these trades are really bad.
Blues say no Lehtera is on the best line in hockey and shattenkirk is very valuable to their defence
Preds say no
kings say no easily
jackets say no if they have to add
bruins say no easily
Avs say no easily and never talk to edmonton again if that's what they are asking for

TMLeafs

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If the Oilers want Byfulgein + Scheifele…wait…there’s no way that the Jets are trading either one of them for Hall. Winnipeg would counter with something like Kane + Comrie + Postma or Clitsome. Hall is solid (NHL.com has him rated as the 5th best LW / Kane 13th, and TSN.ca has him 5th as well / Kane 11th) but all of the proposals favor Edmonton. I can’t see any of them happening. The Oilers are not dealing from a position of strength so no team will overpay - which is what is being proposed here.

TheCure

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THe blues are not going to trade the following.

Petro, Shatty, Tarasenko, Lehtra, Swartz, Allen, Fabbri, Barbashev, Jaybo, Backes, or Statsny. They are completely off the table.

The following blues will not be traded unless it made the blues better.
Oshie, Steen, Berglund, Ratti, Jaskin, Elliot, Linbohm, COle.

That leaves very few that could be traded just to drop cap or to shake it up. In no way would the blues make a trade that is not in their favor at this point in time. They do not need to make cap room, they do not have a player asking to be traded, or do they have a bad seed in the locker room. So face the facts you can whish in one had and sh!t n the other and see which hand gets full quicker. Whishfull thinking or turds.

russian tank

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19 Dec 2014 03:54:08
Possible Hall trade.

To Arizona: Taylor Hall,Marincin
To EDM: Zbynek Michalek, Martin Hanzal,Oliver-Ekman-Larsson, 2015 2nd round draft pick,
2016 2nd round draft pick,Brandon McMillan

Just something random I thought of at 3 a.m

or,or

To Phoenix: Oscar Klefbom
To EDM: Brandon Gormley, 2016 3rd

NHLFunFacts

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Klefbom gormley to me is a random one instead of getting rid of klefbom and marincin AT the SAME time trade ference and nikitin marincin and klefbom r better then them

mcdavidsweepstakes

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19 Dec 2014 03:35:55
would this be fair value for t,hall boston / hall edmonton carl soderberg loui eriksson tory krug malcom subban hall is due 6million boston would get rid of about 7 to 7.5 million Iwould never trade doug hamilton hall is under contract for 6 million for 5 more years because your going to lose luci after next year he is going to what more money fa not worth more than 6 million

slapshot

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No the thing about hall is is that the price is to high. I don't see an elite team making this trade but I do see a medicoe team going for hall like the sens or someone else

mcdavidsweepstakes

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Too much for hall

TMLeafs

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19 Dec 2014 03:27:41
TML trade 1st round 2015 or 2016 (TML choice) & J.J. Piccinich
BUF trades Matt Moulson 50% retained & Daniel Catenacci

sbr2017

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Don't see the sabres trading Moulson we just signed him long term and Murray wants him around to speed up the rebuild. Anyways TB is deep at forward so I don't see them needing Moulson too much.

sabres14

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Sorry thought it was TB not Toronto. But even with 50% retained I think that puts TO over the cap

sabres14

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Go to capgeek's trade calculator, it does not put them over the top and Buffalo is still above the floor.

sbr2017

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Also, this trade really helps TML to reach the playoffs (so the pick will not be a lottery) and the trade will help Buffalo win the McDavid sweepstakes.

sbr2017

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Maybe David Booth comes back to make some cap room.

sbr2017

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19 Dec 2014 02:46:46
Buffalo trades Marcus Foligno & Mike Weber to Columbus for Oliver Bjorkstrand

sbr2017

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If Buffalo does not trade Marcus to CBJ then they could sign Nick at the end of the season. LMFAO!!

sbr2017

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19 Dec 2014 02:26:16
Canucks: erikson and smith

bruins: higgins,weber,seisto and a 3 round pick

penguin3217

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19 Dec 2014 00:59:20
Darren Dreger reported that Bennington and Chiarelli are talking trades possibilities possibility of Higgins or Burrows for Krug. Higgins makes more sense because he is younger, much lower salary than Burrows and has less bad blood with the current players and coaches on the Boston roster. The Bruins are in need of a top 6 or 9 forward and Vancouver needs another Dman. Boston is very deep in terms of depth on the back end and Vancouver has some young talent close to cracking the line up.

Vancouver:
Chris Higgins (retain $500,000)
3rd round pick
5th round pick

Boston:
Torey Krug

D. Sedin - H. Sedin - Vrbata
Burrows - Bonino - Shinkariuk
Matthias - Vey - Richardson
Dorsett - Horvat - Hansen

Edler - Tanev
Sbisa - Bieksa
Stanton - Krug

Miller - Lack

Marchand - Bergeron - Smith
Lucic - Krejci - Higgins
Kelly - Soderberg - Eriksson
Paille - Campbell - Cunningham

Chara - Hamilton
Seidenberg - Trotman
Morrow - Miller

Rask - Svedberg

Titties

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Rather trade kassian than higgins

thejazz97

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18 Dec 2014 23:10:12
Van- Burrows, Bieksa, Biega

Wpg- Kane

Winnipeg needs defence bad!

madsen29

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And Edmonton doesn't. Because, Edmonton has one of the best defenseman in the league.
Example: Aulie,Nikitin and Ference.
*Sarcasm*

NHLFunFacts

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@NHLFunFacts

I heard Aulie's capable of being an elite Top 2 Dman.
*Also sarcasm*

thejazz97

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18 Dec 2014 19:47:34
To BOS: Eberle
To EDM: Smith, Soderberg, Morrow

CaPtAiN cAnAdA

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18 Dec 2014 19:10:26
Desharnais,andrighetto for Perron

Fills 2nd line lw for montreal and edmonton gets a 2c until draisaitl is ready and they get also get a good yound prospect

Allen, bournival, 2nd for bickell

Clears cap space for next season for chicago but they still get a younger player that can fill bickells 3rd line left wing and a good pick, allen to balance cap for this season and gives montreal a big winger to play with eller

Gilbert, pateryn, 3rd for z.michalek


Pacioretty, Galchenyuk. Sekac
Perron. Plekanec. Gallagher
Bickell. Eller. Parenteau
Prust. Malhotra. Wiese
Tangradi

Markov. Subban
Emelin. Michalek
Beaulieu. Gonchar
Weaver

Price
Tokarski

Larry

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Deharnais is the worst fit for Edmonton maybe if he was a last resort. But he is over-rated, would get lit up, and just isn't the big/physical center they actually need. Considering they are talking about Vermette and Anisimov for Perron. Deharnais does not compare

JF12

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Change desharnais to eller

mcdavidsweepstakes

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Vermette's a pending UFA, why would OIls trade for him now? what's the point?

Boris Bagel

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18 Dec 2014 18:49:47
Minnesota wild need a goalie, flames need a winger but want to stay with youth.

flames trade- ramo

wild trade- zucker

dresses both needs, maybe Calgary takes back backstrom and possibly picks involved.

therealdeal

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18 Dec 2014 18:45:31
just my opinion but had the bruins been patient this would have been the perfect deal

bruins trade- seguin

oilers trade- Hall

i know the oilers have nuge but he would have been perfect as a second line centre or be expendable for a defence man of goalie, bruins need a scoring punch on the wing, the fit would be perfect right now.

therealdeal

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Agreed, Trading Seguin because he had a bad playoff was a bad move. He was a 20 year old 2nd overall pick, you don't trade a guy like that.

After chara retires boston is in big trouble.

stickboi

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Boston may be in trouble if Chara DOESN'T retire in a year or 2. liked in his prime but he's clearly lost a step and at 37 times not on his side

willi

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They are in trouble this season. They don't look as dominant, plagued with injuries, players under-performing. Scary times for Boston could be ahead if they don't do something

JF12

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They are in trouble now

paolozza

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At that moment oilers wouldn't have done it because they had gagner

mcdavidsweepstakes

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It was not the reason that he was traded. He had a very bad attitude in the dressing room and was not a team player that is why he got shipped out if town. Get your facts right. No doubt he can score points. Hut here is a question how us the team doing considering he is the leg
Leader? Not good eh? How much I'd a team player do u think he is

paolozza

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19 Dec 2014 01:19:07
boston is in pretty big troubke now, even with chara.

Shankar

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19 Dec 2014 08:52:28
As a habs fan I don't worry about bruins in the postchara era. strong defensive system, talented youngsters (hamilton, krug, miller, morrow, mcquaid) all still improving, and a GM willing to trade those are recipe for success, as their record showa these past five years. Stillz when chara retire their will not be the BIG BAD BRUINS anymore

habs

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18 Dec 2014 18:00:49
Edmonton gets
Scuderi
Pouliot
Adams
Sutter

Pittsburgh gets
Perron
Aulie
Petry
Gordon

Crosby_87

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Penguins overpay having Pouliot in there. Only way Pouliot is traded is if they go for Hall

Captain Nutjob

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18 Dec 2014 19:41:03
Sutter>Perron
Pouliot>Petry
Scuderi>Aulie
Gordon=Adams

Makes sense

CaPtAiN cAnAdA

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18 Dec 2014 17:47:19
Just some base pieces. Add where you see fit.

STL: Oshie
CBJ: Johansen
*Gives the Blues a better all around top 6. Jackets add a good two way right winger. IMO the Blues are adding to this one.

PIT: Martin
LA: Williams or Richards
*Pens add a solid two way right winger or a solid two way center. LA adds a steady dman to their back end. IMO a straight up deal could be.made.

EDM: Eberle
BUF: Hodgson and Weber
*Oilers add a second line center who needs a change of scenery and a solid dman to improve their back end. Sabres add a young goal scorer who can be apart of their future moving forward. IMO Buffalo is the team who adds to this one.

MG69

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Note how it says add where you see fit and that these are base pieces. Besides the second one more would definately be involved.

MG69

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No way CBJ trades Johansen. Pitt doesn't want Richards bad contract (but Williams might fit in pitt) and Hodgsons value has really dropped. Buffalo adds to that deal

willi

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18 Dec 2014 22:10:57
Blues and Sabres add big time.

Draisaitl_94

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Completely agree. Oshie is just the starting piece. I would say Rattie or Fabbri along with some draft picks headed to CBJ as well. And Hodgson's value has indeed dropped, but he is a 2nd line center and one that can be moved to the wing down the road (2-3 years) when Draisaitl is ready to take on 2nd line duties. Weber just adds a good hard working dman as a depth guy or as 3rd pairing guy. I think if salary was retained for Richards (unlikely with Kings cap issues) he could find his game again on the 2nd line and be the solid two way player he can be. But I like the idea of Williams too as he brings in a winning pedigree, great two way play, and is a clutch performer.

MG69

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You will not get fabbri, And blues don't want johansen. We have tarasenko. need oshie to balance other lines and defensive purposes.

russian tank

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Move Backes to the wing. And you have the same balance again. Your new top 6 now looks like this.

Schwartz-Johansen-Tarasenko
Steen-Stastny-Backes

Lehtera has played good with Schwartz and Tarasenko, but honestly Johansen instantly makes the Blues a better team.

MG69

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18 Dec 2014 15:41:17
2 Domino Deadline Deals

Edmonton Trades
Eberle
Fasth
Marincin

Toronto Trades
Gardiner
Reimer
Holzer
Kozun
Gauthier (QMJHL)

----------------------------------

Arizona Trades
Yandle

Toronto Trades
Lupul
Percy (AHL)
2nd Round Pick 2016

------------------------------------

Thoughts?

Pinball

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18 Dec 2014 17:19:18
EDM could do so much better.

Draisaitl_94

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Both deals are heavy in Toronto's favor.

Crosby_87

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No thank you from toronto not interested in edmonton garbage and not interested in older yandle

DAWSON67

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Yandle is not the player he was 2 years ago, reminds me of kaberle.

It will be interesting to see what EDM does. The smart thing for them would be to wait until the draft to trade one of their big guys, If they get one of the top 2 pics this year, any player on the teams roster will be tradeable.

Waiting until the summer will give them leverage as teams will have more relief and not be restricted by the cap as much, like they are in season. They will get some interesting offers.

stickboi

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18 Dec 2014 14:31:59
PHI: Michalek
OTT: Lecavalier

Both under-performing, could use change of scenery. OTT adds a 2nd line center while Zibinejad is developing. PHI adds a Left Winger while they are very thin on LW

JF12

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Why would Ottawa take Zabinejad off the 2nd line just when he is beginning to find some form and chemistry. It hurts the bottom 6 to move Zabinejad to the 3rd line as well, or even to play him as a winger on the Second line.

The Sens have Turris, Zabinejad, Legwand, Lazar (going to Team Canada but will be back in 7 or less) and Pageau that can all play Centre not to mention Zac Smith who will be back later in the season. The sens need a scoring winger not an under performing aging Centre that would eat minutes that the young(er) guys in the roster have earned.

sens1

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18 Dec 2014 18:36:29
i culd see philly adding a conditional pick or somethign along those lines as vinny is owed more money and is a couple years older, but it something that makes sense.

Shankar

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19 Dec 2014 00:37:05
I would rather trade Michalek for Read and off not I'd trade Michalek for a pick and call up either Prince or Puempel and see what they are capable of before trading for a guy like Lecavalier who is aging, has term and who's play is rapidly declining.

Titties

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18 Dec 2014 03:07:11
Toronto - dion lupul, gauthier nylander, reimer.


Edmonton - hall scrivens. 2. In 2016

paolozza

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Why would you break up a team that has won eight straight?

Perkay15

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Toronto says no you not only break up part of the core of a team in a play off push but you also trade away their future. It just would not be a smart move.

TMLeafs

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Ya your right having hall would be bad eh. They need to make cap room how will they sign franson in then off season? And also future?? How do u know gauthier or nylander will so anything at all in the nhl?

paolozza

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And they own 6 in a row man. Let's get the facts correct.

paolozza

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Yes having Hall would be nice. But this creates too many holes in their line-up now, and in the future. No from Leafs.

JF12

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Unless Toronto is willing to part with Rielly +++ there is no way Hall ends up in Toronto.

And if Toronto was willing to give up those assets, they are in need of a #1 C more than a #1 LW

THEGR81

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Hall is not all that and a bag of chips leafs say no thank you , edmonton deal him to boston so they can loss more hall is a - what

DAWSON67

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Inn the words of jack (hall ) get that garbage outa here

DAWSON67

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Too much from T.O

leaffan

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18 Dec 2014 01:59:55
ott: prince , chiasson

njd: larsson, 3rd 2015

ott: anderson, methot, 2nd 15

min: zucker, coyle, backstrom

macarthur turris stone
zucker zibanejad ryan
hoffman legwand coyle
michalek lazar neil

larsson karlsson
borowiecki ceci
cowen gryba

lehner
backstrom

TeachMeHowToDoughty

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18 Dec 2014 01:41:47
Min: Myers, Stewart(retain 50%)

Buf: Zucker, Dumba, Brosziak(more of a cap thing) 2nd

these two teams have good history in making trades

qwerty93

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If it's Myers the sabres would want Nederitter or Coyle preferably Niño which could be a deal breaker.

sabres14

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Nino ain't going anywhere. 14g so far. Last season 14g in 82. I think it's not hard to see how much upside Nino still has.

benn14

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I agree he is doing great this year. He still has plenty of upside

paolozza

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So qwerty93 let me summarize the trade:
Min: Myers plus Stewart plus retain 50%
Buf: Zucker plus Dumba plus 2nd minus Brosziak

@sabres14, I think a deal could be made without Nederitter, Dumba and Zucker are a good start.

@benn14, I agree, we can't be greedy.

To all of you, IMO Murray has set the bar high because he does not want to trade Myers. If the offer was Myers for Zucker, Dumba & 2nd, Myers would be on the next plane to his home state. So what does Murray get for holding onto salary, taking on salary and giving up Stewart?

sbr2017

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The Sabres real need is high potential scoring wingers. We have tons of depth forwards but not so much high end talent on the wing and I don't see Zucker being more than a good second liner. The Sabres can afford to set the bar high on Myers cause there's no real news to trade him he's a huge mobile right handed D-man with upside yet those don't grow on trees. That's why is said the asking price would be Niño but I don't think that's likely

sabres14

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Agreed sabres14. Sure Minny would love to have Myers at their blueline too. But the costs are too high.

benn14

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Then it is settled we all agree, Myers will not be traded this year.

sbr2017

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@sbr2017 I think so. My opinion is that they should keep him.

benn14

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Thing with Myers is he is still young enough to be apart of the rebuild, but could be traded for more pieces that will also help the rebuild. IMO it would be better to keep him. Not a lot of 6'8 dman around the league let alone one that shoots right.

MG69

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