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02 Sep 2014 15:49:25
b's offseason

to sjs: chara marchand paille + prospect
to bos: marlou retain 1.5m burns retian 1.5m

to edm: boychuck marrow 2nd(becomes 3rd if her resigns in edm)
to bos: perron

trade kelly to any for 3rd

trade bartkowski to any for 3rd

sign smith plus krug to 5 year 20 milion dollar deals

sign gagne to a 1 year 1.5m dollar deal
sign penner to a 1 year 1.5m dollar deal

lineup is
marlou-bergeron-smith
lucic-krejci-erikkson
perron-soderberg-penner
gagne-campbell-spooner

siedenberg-burns
hamilton-krug
mcquaid-miller

jtallas16

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02 Sep 2014 03:34:03
Just a thought for the Bruins to do a shake up with there roster.
To Boston Marleau, Burns
To San Jose: Chara, Marchand, Morrow, 3rd rounder
To Edmonton: Boychuk, 2015 second and 4th round pick (becomes third if he resigns)
To Boston: Perron
Kelly to anybody for a 3rd
Paille to anybody for a 3rd
Bartkowski to anybody for a 3rd
Sign Krug and Smith to 5 year $20 Million a season deals
($4 Million a season)
Cap relief from Marc Savard
This leaves Boston just under the cap
Linup
Marleau- Bergeron-Smith
Lucic-Krejci-Perron
Eriksson-Soderberg-Fraser
Koko-Spooner-Pasternak
Siedenberg-Burns
Krug-Hamilton
Mcquaid-Miller
Rask
Svedberg

Bruins1737

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02 Sep 2014 01:31:10
I honestly think bobby ryan is heading to the flyers or sticking with the sens

Since melnyk is extremely cheap and maybe one of the poorest gms in the league so I say they deal him.

While shopping Ben bishop a few years ago the sens were negotiating a deal with philly and were asking for couturier in return so I think the sens will ask for couturier again.

Could this work?

Bobby ryan , Eric gryba and second rp 2015

Sean couturier and Braydon corburn

SensDude15

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02 Sep 2014 12:51:27
Melnyk isn't the poorest GM in the league he is the cheapest. He's a billionaire, which is why him having an internal budget is more infuriating. As for the trade,not bad but make that before the season starts if Ryan isn't re-signed.

Sensfan27

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I doubt this would work philly gets hosed

hab.

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01 Sep 2014 23:15:46
To Boston: Petry, Arcobello, 3rd Round Pick 2015
To Edmonton: Boychuk

CanadaEh

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02 Sep 2014 14:31:35
Well if u want to make edm have even less centre depth

Eberle14

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01 Sep 2014 22:58:09
Sens trade Bobby Ryan
Blackhawks trade Patrick Sharp

[just the base of a trade, may need picks / prospects going either way]

Stars trade 2015 4th & 5th
Blackhawks trade Johnny Oduya

Ryan-Toews-Hossa
Saad-Richards-Kane
Bickell-Shaw-Versteeg
Regin/morin-Kruger-Smith

Keith-Seabrook
Leddy-Hjalmarsson
Rundbland-Rozsival

Crawford
Raanta

Drownedfish

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01 Sep 2014 21:13:21
Zdeno Chara for Ville Rask, Andrej Sekera and a 2015 2nd or 3rd

Oils2014

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01 Sep 2014 19:33:16
Edmonton trades Petry, Shultz, Eberle, B+ prospect, 2016 and 2017 1st round picks or 2015 1st pick and 2016 and 2017 2nd round picks for Shea Webber


Edmonton gets the top 2 dmen they have been searching for who can also bring leadership. Might be an over payment but for a top 3 dman and best DFD you have to give up a lot.

Nashville gets a 60-85 PPG RW that an offense deprived team could really use, a young OFD in Shultz who can play top 4 and solid all around top 4 dmen in Petry as well as high picks and prospect.

Walleedj

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I would say eberle 2015 1st and schultz would be enough

Cd1

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01 Sep 2014 21:13:42
thats too much for weber tbh

Shankar

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Way to much for weber. And Eberle is definatley not a 60 point per game player. Lol

Habfan2

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Massive overpayment for Weber especially considering how high those 1st round picks could be even with Weber on the team

Charles Xavier

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Waaaaaaaaay too much for Weber. Some of you people think he's the greatest player of all time or something with these ridiculous trades.

kglink5

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01 Sep 2014 22:38:15
I think that's too much for Weber.
You could be right when you're saying that's what the Preds are prolly going to want for him, but personally, I wouldn't give up all that for Weber.

Draisaitl_94

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WAAAY TOO MUCH! Weber isn't instantly going to win Edmonton a cup . Giving up young studs and many what I think would be high picks is way too much!

SensDude15

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What you (the person sitting at the computer) would trade that much for Weber and what the Preds would want for Weber (not saying they would want this exact trade) are too very different things.

THEGR81

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01 Sep 2014 19:26:11
Edmonton trades Petry, 2nd round in 2015 and B level prospect to Toronto for Nazem Kadri.

Edmonton gets their second line center who can play wing when Draistal is ready to take that role or play 3rd line center and give edmonton depth down the middle.

Toronto gets an underrated top 4 D man IMO and a player who will have more of an impact on improving TOR then 37 year old Robidas. Gives Toronto more D depth as well.

Walleedj

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Toronto says no

JF12

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Who's the B level prospect? Anyways I would probably do it from a leafs standpoint.

Charles Xavier

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01 Sep 2014 22:39:30
IMO, a top4 dmen, 2nd rd pick in a deep draft and a B prospect is too much for Kadri.
Thats not bashing him or anything, but Petry and a B prospect should clearly be enough

Draisaitl_94

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I can't see this happening.The leafs need kadri. Toronto doesn't have the center depth to trade kadri away IMO

Drgonzo

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Arcobello instead of the prospect because Toronto is also hurting for center depth.

HockeyGodsGift

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Why would toronto move kadri and create a bigger hole up the middle.which b prospect.

Mr_enlightened

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02 Sep 2014 11:36:26
Toronto should just keep Kadri. He will be a consistent 50-60 point player on the 2nd line. He just needs to change his on ice behaviour (back checking, going into the corners etc. ) which is easily fixable. There's no doubt he has the skill to be a great player he just needs to mature defensively and he will be a solid piece for the leafs moving forward.

Stammer2Leafs2016

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01 Sep 2014 18:20:06
to tbl: chara erikkson kelly 2015 3rd
to bos: callahan strolman

jtallas16

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01 Sep 2014 18:41:11
1. No way this works with the cap.
2. TB has 0 need for Kelly
3. I'd say both teams won't do that.

Draisaitl_94

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I think Tampa wins that deal
Chara>>> stralman
Callahan>eriksson,3rd I don't think Kelly has much value or use for Tampa so maybe they flip him to edm for something like they did with gagner for example and then this could work under the cap after ohlund is put on LTIR by Tampa.

Drgonzo

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Horrible. Horrible for Boston

Bruins1737

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Draisatl_94

it works very well with the cap we free up around 3m I will say they have no need for kelly but they can trade him

jtallas16

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02 Sep 2014 16:38:04
It works very well with the cap for BOS, but not for TB.
TB adds over 4m/yr, and will only be like 2 under the cap AFTER LTIRing Ohlund.

Draisaitl_94

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01 Sep 2014 18:16:37
huge blockbuster trad very unlikely but I would like it

to wpg chara marchand erikkson kelly subban 2015 2nd
to bos:kane ladd frolik bogasian

lineup is
lucic-krejci-kane
ladd-bergeron-smith
paille-soderberg-frolik
campbell-spooner-pastrnk

siedenberg-bogasion
krug-boychuck
hamilton-miller

jtallas16

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Both teams say no

JF12

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01 Sep 2014 18:06:37
chara should go it can help our cap situation and get a good return something like

to buf: chara kelly paille 2015 4th
to bos: gorges and gionta + prospect

or

dal: chara kelly paille
bos: hemsky daley +prospect

or

edm: chara kelly 2015 4th
bos: fayne purcell

or
next 2 are stretches

lak: chara paille kelly 2015 2nd
bos: gaborik greene

or
nyr: chara marchand kelly 2015 3rd
bos: mcdonogh nash

or

pit: chara kelly 2015 3rd
bos: ehroff dupios

or

sjs: chara, marchand
bos:marleau, burns

or

stl: chara kelly
bos: shattenkirk tarasenko

or

tbl:chara 2015 1st 2016 5th
bos: callahan

or

van: chara kelly 2015 3rd
Bos: edler, burrows

that it lmk what u think

jtallas16

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That rangers trade.lol

Drownedfish

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You really don't like chara

Cd1

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So you're saying that Callahan is worth more than shattenkirk and tarasenko combined?

SuperUnbiasedFan

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Superunbiasedfan

i agree more should be added to shattenkirk and tarasenko deal but I think tbl is more unwilling to part ways with callahand than stl is with tarasenko and shattenkirk

jtallas16

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01 Sep 2014 17:48:17
Ottawa trades:
-Colin Greening
-Mike Hoffman
-Patrick Wiercioch
-3rd 2016

Chicago trades:
-Patrick Sharp

Why?
This takes off a chunk of salary for Chicago and also gives depth. If Chicago were to trade Oduya or Leddy to free up even more cap Wiercioch could replace them in the lineup. Ottawa gets a two-way too six forward that can score

Ottawa lineup:
MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
Sharp-Legwand-Chiasson
Michalek-Zibanejad-Stone
Condra-Smith-Neil

Methot-Karlsson
Cowen-Ceci
Phillips-Borowiecki/Gryba

Anderson-Lehner


Chicago lineup:
Saad-Toews-Hossa
Greening-Richards-Kane
Bickell-Kruger-Hoffman
Morin-Handzus-Versteeg

Keith-Seabrook
Hjarlmarsson-Leddy/Wiercioch
Oduya/Wiercioch-Rosival

Crawford-Raanta

Lazar_27

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No way chicago does this.


You won't get a 80 pts player for bottom paring defensman and bottom 3 players

Cd1

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I cannot believe you actually posted this

SHARP WONT BE TRADED FOR SCRAPS

JF12

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Make it a 2016 first. And to Cd1, Sharp is only an 80 point player because he plays with Toews and Hossa all year.

Nova x 65

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01 Sep 2014 17:13:58
ARI: 7th

TOR: Granberg

Why? Granberg sucks and takes too much cap. Leafs trade him while they have the chance.

MasterMatt25

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01 Sep 2014 17:58:35
you're not funny, sorry.

Shankar

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01 Sep 2014 18:47:34
Can't tell if you're serious but if you are, i'd rethink your proposal. Yeah granberg played one nhl game, but that game that he played, he was one of the best responsible defenceman on the ice. he's a very good dfd.

Beleaf

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01 Sep 2014 17:04:30
DET: Green
WSH: Weiss, 2nd

CGY: Backlund, Brodie, 1st
CBJ: Johansen

EDM: Eller, Fucale, Scherbak, 1st
MTL: Yakupov

MasterMatt25

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No way mtl gives all that for yakupov and cbj would want more for johansen

Cd1

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The top 2 r decent offers, the bottom one I awful

Caps_fan

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01 Sep 2014 17:59:45
1. seems good, maybe rather a 3rd, but it's fine
2. Good start, considering the CAL pick is most likely a top 8 pick, maybe add another low pick/prospect
3. I think it's a bit too much for Yakupov.

Draisaitl_94

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I wouldn't give scherbak & Fucale up alone for Yakapov.

Habfan2

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01 Sep 2014 16:07:00
Replying to my last post regarding trading Zdeno Chara.

Even though being past his prime, his value is still respectable, and teams would be interested. A team like San Jose gearing up for a cup run perhaps?

SJS: Chara
BOS: Marleau, 3rd Round Pick 2015

Or

SJS: Chara, Marchand
BOS: Marleau, Burns

I thought of this and found it intriguing.

Chara would vastly improve the defensive game of the Sharks, Marleau would vastly improve the offense. Chara is still a potential Norris winner at 35+ years, quite impressive. Marleau can still put up great numbers (60-70 points)

Marleau and Chara are comparable ages as well.


I find the proposal interesting, comparable ages but depends on the state of both franchises, if the Sharks' defence struggles, and the Bruins' offence struggles. You could see a big trade.

JF12

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Good ideas but San Jose ain't moving Burns

MasterMatt25

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IMO Boston adds. Marleau and Chara are probably close in value with a slight edge to Chara, but Burns is quite a bit better than Marchand. SJS probably wants another young D, but NOT Krug or Hamilton. Maybe Morrow.

HockeyGodsGift

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01 Sep 2014 17:36:31
Personally, I feel like these are way better proposals.
Marleau is very good, just as Chara as, and as you pointed out, quite old as well.
Although I don't really like the Bruins, I think Burns would be a great fit for them, good job.

Draisaitl_94

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I believe they would move Burns if an upgrade is possible. I like the swap of Burns, Marleau for Chara and Marchand because.

San jose gets younger at forward, but older on defense

Boston gets younger on defense, gets older at forward.

Plus Boston would get a replacement for Chara, San Jose gets a replacement for Marleau.

I find it's pretty even, definitely would be a cool trade nonetheless

JF12

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^i agree old for old good post lol

Mr_enlightened

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01 Sep 2014 15:37:26
instead of always writing about tradin our best and most valuable centre why don't we just trade desharnais (less value) but then give PLekanec good wingers and hell have 60 plus points not to mention actually score 20 goals every year.

Desharnais - Monrteal

Stewart _ Bufallo

Desharnais + REway - montreal

Semin - carolina

haber

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As a Habs fan, I WISH!! But teams want Plekanec because of his versatility and Desharnais relies on his wingers to do everything.

MasterMatt25

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Desharnais relies on his wingers to do everything?

Watch Desharnais in a game. He is the one always setting up the play so his wingers can put the puck in the net and if you disagree with me then you obviously don't watch the habs as much as me.

Habfan2

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Desharnais doesn't rely on his wingers any more then any other center in the league.

hab.

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01 Sep 2014 15:34:48
tyler myers - buffalo

Jared Tinordi, Greg Patyrn, +1st and conditional 2nd

haber

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Salary cap disagrees

HockeyGodsGift

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Tinordi is going to be a solid top 4 Dman for many years. And Paytren is improving year after year.

Habfan2

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01 Sep 2014 07:11:00
Flyers trade Lecavalier, rights to Gustafsson, and a pick for David Perron. Flyers get a much needed LW, Oilers get a 2nd center and good, young puck moving defender. Gustafsson is in KHL this year, but I'm sure would come back next year for the Oilers.

Flyers then trade Grossmann and a pick for Cody Franson. Stay at home defender for offensive minded defender. Franson has the physical style of play to thrive in Philadelphia.

Re-sign Del Zotto, Franson, Schultz, and Emery, call up Laughton, and here is what the 2015 Flyers would look like:

Perron - Giroux - Voracek
Umberger - Schenn - Simmonds
Raffl - Couturier - Read
Akeson - Laughton - Rinaldo
Scratch: Rosehill, White

Streit - Coburn
MacDonald - Franson
Del Zotto - Schenn
Scratch: Schultz

Mason
Emery

TopShelf20

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Your undervaluing both the players that you are trading for especially Perron

Charles Xavier

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01 Sep 2014 16:34:58
Lecavlier couldn't be given away let alone for Perron I'm not sure he is an upgrade of a player over arcobello

Eberle14

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No way these trades happen, your lines are a joke Akeson will be on 3rd line over raffl and Laughton isn't going to be on the 4th line you can't develop a prospect on 4th line minutes

slapshot18

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@slapshot18 there was once a player called Joe Thornton that was on the bruins fourth line and still racks up 40+ assists a season. and ya the left wingers are messed up

would be:
Akeson 2nd line
Umberger 3rd line
Raffl 4th line

Flyers28

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01 Sep 2014 05:30:01
Just a weird though. What if Zdeno Chara really got traded. I read another post that 50/50 makes sense.
But his career is mostly going to end in Boston. But. What if.

To Carolina: Zdeno Chara,
To Boston: Keegan Lowe, Andrej Sekera 2015 3rd.

Chara might be old, but he is still a very effective defenseman. Carolina might be giving up too much though for a 37 year old defenseman that has 7m cap.
But he can serve well for Carolina. And they might make the playoffs. Not saying that Chara fills all of their roster holes. But might help bigtime on defense.
I totally understand if you think its not enough for Zdeno Chara. But face it. He is a 37 year old with lots of cap. And I also agree if you think its too much for Chara. A B/B- prospect. Decent top 4. And a 3rd that might turn out early.

Oils2014

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Not even close to enough for the Big Z. Sure he isn't as good as he used to be but he's still arguably a top 5 D man in the NHL

Charles Xavier

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Only way you get Chara is by adding a top 6 forward and a top 3 defenseman who can play 20 minutes a game

Bruins1737

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^ that's probably why they won't trade him bc there are not going to be any teams willing to give up a top 6 forward a top 3 d-man for a 37year old.

THEGR81

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01 Sep 2014 05:29:38
To Carolina: Oscar Klefbom, Martin Gernat, 2015 5th/6th
To Edmonton: Ville Rask, Keegan Lowe

Edmonton has plenty of defensive prospects that can take Klefbom's spot. Its a prospect for prospect trade so it might not happen. Keegan Lowe comes to his hometown.

Who adds? Who subtracts?

Oils2014

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Canes add quite a bit. Klefbom and Gernat are the 2 best prospects in this deal

Charles Xavier

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31 Aug 2014 23:53:02
Win:Tokarski

Mtl:2nd/3rd


Montreal will ruin tokarski if they play him in the AHL again and no one wants budaj so this is the solution, also he won't be part of a kane trade because montreal has barely any cap and they will need to give up galchenyuk, which bergevin will NOT do! he's our future centre!

HabsFan3131

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01 Sep 2014 04:24:37
i don't see how another year in the AHL would "ruin" tokarski.

Shankar

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Value seems fair IMO but I have a hard time seeing wpg moving high picks at the moment.

Mr_enlightened

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No one in Montreal wants to keep Budaj, but every other team would prefer you to keep him. Easier competition.

HockeyGodsGift

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Tokarski lands a 2nd no one bats an eye Reimer lands a 2nd everybody looses their mind

Charles Xavier

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Reimer is worth a late 2nd.
It's when leafs fans start up with the "late 1st" talk that people (rightfully) bat an eye/"loooose their mind"

Chirp

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1 When did a leaf fan start up with the late first talk.this is propaganda chirp
2 Reimer career stats 26 years
140games 914save% 11 shutouts
Corey Crawford career stats 29 years
211games 914save% 10 shutouts
Dustin tokarski career stats 24 years
10 games 902save% 1 shutout
3 good post, both teams get something they want.i think it's a third round pick from Winnipeg.

Drgonzo

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@ Chirp.

right bc the majority of posts regarding Reimer have involved a late 1st (not saying there hasn't been some) but most posts involve Reimer moving in a package or for a conditional draft pick. You're cherry picking.

THEGR81

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31 Aug 2014 20:40:08
PENS EARLY SEASON MOVES:

Invite Dustin Penner to camp.

If he does well then he would be on the top pairing with Kunitz-Crosby, otherwise we place Kapanen there.

Keep in mind that Mike Johnston stated that Derrick Pouliot, although a full two weeks behind Maata in recovery, will most likely be ready for training camp. Therefore, they will both be ready for puck drop on Oct. 9 vs ANA.

Kunitz---Crosby---Penner/Kapanen
Bennett---Malkin---Hornquist
Spaling---Sutter---Dupuis
Comeau---Goc---Downie
ex.Sill, Adams

Martin---Letang
Maata---Ehroff
Pouliot---Dumoulin
ex. Scuderi, Despres

Fleury and Greiss will fight for #1 position.

PP1:
Kunitz and Hornquist swapping in front of net, Crosby on half boards
Letang and Malkin on the point

PP2:
Hornquist in front of net, Sutter and Kapanen on half boards
Pouliot and Ehroff on the point

PK1: Sutter---Spaling
Martin----Maata
PK2: Goc---Downie
Letang---Dumoulin

The pens will be a much more physical team this year who will be willing to give the body.

Mike is a coach who can make decisions on the fly and adjust his lines mid game in order to take advantage of certain situations.

Im guessing that they go 55-20-7. They have built a team that will survive even if they are hit with a plague of injuries.

Im AqUaMaN

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Wow Scudari is already a HS? What a bad signing

Charles Xavier

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31 Aug 2014 20:14:27
I'm not sure of Ward's trade value but could this happen?

SJS: Ward, 3rd

CAR: Niemi, Demers, 4th

The 4th could be changed to a 3rd but I estimated this since SJS would be improving in net if Ward could be as consistant as he formerly was. CAR would improve their defence with Demers coming in. Since CAR would be getting a replacement goalie and another D man, SJS would get a higher pick due to losing Demers as well.

ProDepth

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I think Demers would be a bit much, probably someone of less value would be better. But very good trade imo.

SuperUnbiasedFan

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Really? All of that for Ward?

JF12

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31 Aug 2014 18:44:23
trade: chara boychuck subban 2015 2nd 2016 3rd
to bos: kane retains 2.5m and stuart

to edm: marchand erikkson
to bos: perron fayne

kelly, bartkowski for 2015 2nd

sign smith and krug to 5 year 18.5M dollar contract

lineup is
lucic krejci-kane
perron-bergeron-smith
paille-soderberg-erikkson
spooner-campbell-pastrnk

siedenberg-hamilton
fayne-krug
miller-stuart

jtallas16

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You traded Eriksson then put him in the lineup

Bruins1737

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31 Aug 2014 16:59:16
CAR: Dennis Robertson + a 2nd OR 3rd

BOS: Boychuk

HockeyGodsGift

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31 Aug 2014 16:19:41
Montreal trades Plekanec and 2015 2nd to Washington for Karl Alzner

WSH gets center depth after Grabo left, Pleks plays 200 foot game which Trotz will love and MTL gets a left handed Top 4 DFD to play with a puck moving Gilbert.

Walleedj

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Good proposal

JF12

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Caps already have center depth, especially with Kuznetsov entering his first full season. Alzner leaving would create a huge gap in their defense that can't be filled by a prospect. This would be a very bad deal for Washington.

Chirp

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I think the caps want to compete and could use a proven center too play in their top 9 but that's not enough for Washington to move Alzner IMO

Mr_enlightened

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31 Aug 2014 15:18:45
Montreal:daniel and henrik sedin and zach kassian
Vancouver:plekanec,sekac and gallagher

It is fair for both teams?

hahaha123

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31 Aug 2014 18:54:35
Regardless of whether its fair, there is something called the salary cap.
MON is ~ 2.5 under the cap, but this trade gives them ~9m additional cap hit, so they'd be more than 6 mil over the cap.
It helps when you think about what you post before you post it

Draisaitl_94

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No from Van. Gallagher is the only player out of those 3 that Vancouver would need.

steamer

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Habs don't need that cap trouble

hab.

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Habs don't have the cap space and they have a no trade clause.

habsfan22

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Not only is the value miles off but it makes no sense why this was even a proposition.

Soobydoo

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01 Sep 2014 00:24:48
not even close really

henrik > plecky
daniel >>>>> sekac
gallagher > kassian but its nowhere near enough to makeup the difference

Shankar

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Rather keep Plekanec and Sekac and Gallagher because the only player that interests me is Kassian and he's not going to be near as good as Sekac and Gallagher. Sedins are too old and have a bad cap hit.

Habfan2

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31 Aug 2014 02:30:42
Bos - Boychuk

Edm - Yakupov & Purcell

aKidNamedDean

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Boychuk is a UFA next season, why would the oilers do this.

tbay4life

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31 Aug 2014 06:37:18
Would get neither of them alone, especially not Yakupov.

Draisaitl_94

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Lmao boychuk for Purcell and a 3/4th round pick

Drgonzo

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Boychuk, Khochlachev, and a Conditional 4th for Yakupov. 3rd if Boychuk resigns with the Oilers.

Nova x 65

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Is that the same Purcell that got traded for Sam gagner months ago.and tbay was going to buyout gagner until they traded him with crombeen for a 6th round pick to coyotes.oh and tbay pays a third of gagners contract so coyotes would take him.lmao

Drgonzo

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31 Aug 2014 18:56:42
^drgonzo: This trade doesn't reflect Purcell's value as a player. The trade was made to free up cap space (same with the Nate Thompson trade) for the signings TB made after these trades: Stralman, Boyle, Nabokov, Morrow.
Purcell is not a star player, but he's a solid 2nd line playmaker capable of 65 points a season.

Draisaitl_94

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Wow^^this trade just happened draisaitl. I think it reflects purcells value as a player much more than you're opinion.wake up

Mr_enlightened

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1 So the teddy Purcell trade which just happened doesn't reflect purcells value. tbay gave away Purcell for next to nothing so that thy could sign players they wanted instead of him and this reflects how valuable Purcell is.lol ok bud clearly I have no legs to stand on
2 boychuk is worth more than Purcell.
Yes or no

Drgonzo

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01 Sep 2014 18:05:08
Pure player wise I think Boychuk is worth maybe a little bit more than Purcell, BUT he will be an UFA at year's end, which clearly reduces his value, plus BOS has no need for Purcell, that's why I thought it doesn't make any sense, for both teams.
@mr_enlightened: Please read more carefully what I said. I know that trade just happened. But it didn't happen because Purcell sucks or anything, but because 4.5 is a bit too much for what he brings and he was most expandable (bc we sure won't trade Johnson, Palar, Stamkos, Callahan, Filppula, etc), which doesn't make him a bad player with no value.

Draisaitl_94

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Was that a yes or a no.its a simple question and if you don't wanna answer then just don't say anything.whether this deal makes sense or not is semantics.we are talking about his value. Or at least I'm trying too and you're deflecting. I understand purcells value was affected by his team having depth at his position but teams don't give good players for next too nothing unless they are worth next to nothing.

Drgonzo

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@draisaitl I read it again more carefully and I never said he was a bad player with no value.purcell was traded for almost nothing(tbay trades Purcell+crombeen and pays 1.6 million of Sam gagners contract for Arizona for a 6th round pick=purcells value is very low or else he would have fetched more for Tampa the team you cheer for. Recent history suggests Purcell is worth less than a 6th rd pick.recent history also suggestsboychuk is worth way more than that.

Mr_enlightened

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Did anyone say Purcell was a bad player with no value.i just see evidence of how much value he actually has.semantics drais.again.

Drgonzo

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-Was that a yes or no on boychuk draisaitl. You can't choose both.
- The fact that tbay just traded Purcell and got little value in return obviously suggests he does not have much value
-stop worrying about leafs and habs fans biases.focus on you're own

Mr_enlightened

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02 Sep 2014 16:42:44
In the current situation (which has Boychuk being an UFA next year) I'd say NO. If he'd be signed for the next 3 years, I'd say YES. Simple as that.

C'mon you can't really say Purcell is worth less than a 6th.
Let us compare him tu Lupul, Purcell can put up equal numbers, is younger and they have comparable contracts.
Would you say Lupul is worth a 7th? I wouldnt. So isn't Purcell.
Again: Just because he got traded from a position of strength as you said and because other signings were to come, doesn't mean his value is a 6th or even lower.
How can a 2nd line W capable of 65 pts a year be worth a 7th?
Btw: How can I be biased for a player that's not even on my team anymore?

Draisaitl_94

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31 Aug 2014 01:19:19
MON: Kane

WIN: Plekanec, Hudon, Reway, 4th

pksubban76

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31 Aug 2014 06:39:57
@HockeyGodsGift: That's what I meant.
Kunitz > Plekanec
Bennett > Reway
2015 1st >>> Hudon, 4th

No way this is enough.

Draisaitl_94

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Plek and a 2nd maybe

Linds

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If the habs want Kane, galchenyuk would have to be involved.

steamer

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30 Aug 2014 23:29:32
To SJS:
Lupul
Phaneuf
2nd

To TOR:
Marleau
Demers
3rd

SJS Lines:
Lupul-Thornton-Kennedy
Hertl-Pavelski-Nieto
Torres-Couture-Burish
Sheppard-Wingels-Brown
Scott/Desjardins

Burns-Vlasic
Phaneuf-Braun
Hannan-Irwin

Niemi
Stalock

thejazz97

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31 Aug 2014 05:08:28
Lupul is younger and just as good as Marleau.

Phaneuf is better than Braun

2nd is better than 3rd


no way from TO

Stammer2Leafs2016

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31 Aug 2014 06:42:07
In which world is Lupul as good as Marleau?!
Marleau might be older, but he's definitely better and not injured as much.

Draisaitl_94

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I think you did a good job on the value of the trade posted as we'll as including players that could/should be moved and this deal or something close too it would not shock me.good post

Drgonzo

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SJS Lines would look more like this:
Hertl-Thornton-Pavelski
Nieto-Couture-Lupul
Wingels-Sheppard-Hamilton
Brown-Desjardins-Kennedy

Vlasic-Burns
Phaneuf-Braun
Mueller-Irwin
Hannan

Niemi
Stalock

ProDepth

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31 Aug 2014 15:25:19
Lupul is 4-5 years younger and still scores 25 goals a year. I'm happy with that. Marleau will burn out much more quickly than Lupul. Not worth it for the leafs

Stammer2Leafs2016

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This deal could help both teams,good post might be a slight overpayment by toronto imo

Mr_enlightened

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31 Aug 2014 17:38:40
Cant see the leafs trading for more older guys. They already added robidas for vetran presence and don't really need more. Plus I see lupul for an upgrade on defence and then an expendable d-man for a winger to fill the spots up again. I believe tml and mtl were going to do somthing along the lines of lupul for georges

Beleaf

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30 Aug 2014 19:57:39
CHI: Versteeg

OTT: Guptill and a 6th

Ottawa needs a good winger and Versteeg just doest seem to fit very well anywhere in the Hawks lineup.

HockeyGodsGift

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30 Aug 2014 19:40:56
Islanders need a number 1 d-men and boston need to clear cap and need a right-handed right wing since the departure of iginla

Islanders: chara and eriksson
Bruins:okposo and grabner/clutterbuck

Fair for both teams

hahaha123

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31 Aug 2014 19:55:21
id say they need okposo and tavares's chemistry more than a number 1 dman

x karlsson x 65

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Boston overpays add some high draft picks for the Islanders(I'm talking like 1st 2nd round) and maybe you'll be STARTING a deal

Bruins1737

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30 Aug 2014 19:03:16
Mtl: bournvial, moen, trunev
Col: talbot, mitchell, 3rd

piccante1

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30 Aug 2014 18:18:56
NYR: E.Kane
WNG: R.Nash, 2nd Round Pick

JF12

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More like Nash for Kane and a 2nd.

thejazz97

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30 Aug 2014 17:55:11
tomas plekanec, micheal bournival, Zach fucale to pitts for pascal dupuis, Brandon sutter and Tristan jarry

helps solve Pittsburgh cap trouble and Crosby doesn't have to play against plekanec anymore which he hates.habs are deep at center and can improve their right wing position yes sutter can also play right wing.

hab.

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Pittsburgh wins that's big time, habs say no

JF12

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What about adding a first from Pittsburgh and a 2nd from montreal
dupuis,sutter,jarry 1st 2015 to montreal for plekanec,bournival,fucale 2nd 2015

hab.

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30 Aug 2014 16:49:27
Prospect Trade

PIT: Simon Despres

CGY: Sven Bartschi

Calgary's management was disgruntled with Bartschi's play last year and they could possibly look to trade him.

Pittsburgh trades Despres since they have Maata, Poliout, Harrington, Samuelsson and Dumoulin as other good young defense prospects. And they are in need of a young forward prospect.

hockeynut12

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Great trade IMO

JF12

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30 Aug 2014 19:13:12
pretty solid

Shankar

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Good idea it makes a lot of sense to me

Mr_enlightened

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Certainly a decent trade, but I don't think Calgary is ready to give up on Baertschi yet.

Chirp

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30 Aug 2014 16:36:17
BUF: Gorges

MTL: Emelin

MasterMatt25

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Ha no from BUF

JF12

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Lol I don't like the odds of this trade happening

Drgonzo

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You serious?

HockeyGodsGift

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Why would you want Gorges back if you just traded him? Also we get rid of Emelin our defense are a bunch of guys that don't hit except for Subban. Also Emelin can score occasionaly wheras Gorges never does. The only reason your probably saying this is because u want Gorges to be captain.

habsfan22

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31 Aug 2014 00:46:49
you do realize MTL just traded goges to BUF, right?

Shankar

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30 Aug 2014 16:19:05
Prospects Trade

PIT: Brian Dumoulin, 2016 3rd

TBL: Brett Connelly

Pittsbugh has a surplus of defensive prospects and is really lacking on forwards prospect. Plus Connelly is most likely nhl ready and has the potential to be a top 6 forward in the right situation.

Tampa Bay has a lot of young nhl ready forwards and Connelly is most likely not going to get a shot in the top 6. Dumoulin is ready to be a 5 or 6 dman and has potential to be a top 4 defenseman.

hockeynut12

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30 Aug 2014 17:05:13
Tampa doesn't really need another defensemen, but I'd to it since we get the additional pick

Draisaitl_94

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Good post but I think it's more like a 5th round pick going to Tampa bay

Mr_enlightened

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Or Despres straight up for Connelly?

Datsik_91

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30 Aug 2014 16:18:43
Mtl bournival
Sj T mcginn, 3rd

piccante1

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30 Aug 2014 15:52:30
Read an article on this. Found it very intriguing. What if the Boston Bruins decided to trade Zdeno Chara? He's aging, but wouldn't get a bigger return for him then right now. They are trying to clear some cap space, which would be accomplished with this deal. Plus they could easily upgrade their top-six forwards with trading him. Now IMO I don't think Boston will trade him as long as they are a cup contender. BUT if the right deal came along, I think they would consider.

That deal would probably look like.

Top-six right winger, top 4 defender, 1st round pick. (Depending on value, could add a decent prospect or other pick)

So which teams would be interested?

Not as many as you'd think but, I believe Los Angeles, New York Rangers, Montreal, Tampa Bay, and Detroit would be most interested.

Keep in mind, the Bruins might want to get younger, clear cap space, and possibly deal a defender that is slowing down.

The potential trades:
NYR: Chara
BOS: Zucarello, Girardi, 1st 2017

TBL: Chara
BOS: Palat, Carle, 1st 2015, 2nd 2016

I'm having a hard time placing value. Ignore the fact that you don't think Chara will get traded, just give your 2 cents on what they would get in return? Thanks for reading

JF12

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I agree boston should trade him he is totally slowing down.but if they did, which they won't cause they are not smart enough. they would trade him to a western team.

hab.

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Tough one. I just can't see them moving him.chara for yakupov lol

Drgonzo

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30 Aug 2014 17:24:46
Boy, I don't know where to start in saying how bad that is for every team not named Boston.
First of all, why the hell would LA be interested? They (and maybe STL) have the best D corps in the NHL.

Second, Chara is already declining, he's 37 and has one, MAYBE two good seasons left. Sure, he's still a very good dmen, but he isn't worth all that.
NYR: Girardi isn't much worse, but way younger and has a way better contract, which makes his trade value AT LEAST even to Chara's, rather higher. Still add Zuccarallo and a 1st? No thanks.
TB: WHY? TB has just added Stralman and Garrison to their D, their fine with it now, no need.
Besides that, value is so far off.
Carle may be a bit overpayed, but he's a solid top 4 guy. Palat was a calder finalist and is IMO untouchable for TB, I'm pretty sure he is a future Selke nominee, if not winner. Plus a 1st in the McDavid draft and another 2nd? that's insane.
I'm pretty sure most people disagree on what I'll say now, but i'm pretty sure Yzerman wouldn't trade Palat straight up for Chara.
Think 10-15 more years of a promising young forward, with great two way play VS 1 or MAX 2 years of an already declining Dmen, that TB doesn't really need.

Draisaitl_94

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30 Aug 2014 17:27:43
To answer your question:
Tbh I think Chara could fetch a good-paid top 4 dmen (for the cap, if other team is close to cap, too) and a prospect/mid pick.
Or a very good D prospect like (not saying PIT needs him or whatever, just an example) Maatta and a 5th or so

Draisaitl_94

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Wow draisaitl you're becoming more of a douche. How bout you give you're opinion on charas value rather than telling everyone their wrong.thats easy and of no use. So tell us what's fair value for chara oh wise one

Drgonzo

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30 Aug 2014 19:25:12
those packages you're putting together would be for a 30 year old chara, not a 37 year old one. he's worth nowhere near that and last year really showed some signs of declining.

Shankar

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Idk about all that. Tampa got 2 firsts along with Callahan for (then) 37 year old St. Louis. Not saying it's believable, but something similar happened only half a year ago.
Boston needs to just give him lless minutes.

HockeyGodsGift

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I agree, why would a team trade away youth and picks for 1 or 2 years from an aging, albeit good dman? I don't see it happening. His career will almost certainly end in boston

Chirp

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Chara has a lot of value and he's still a very effective player. Every team that wants to compete this year would be interested to some degree in trading for big z. Correct me if I'm wrong but he would still be better than 4 too 7 dmen on any team. He finally slowed down a touch, but he is still a beast.
Coyotes get chara
Bruins get connor Murphy,Lucas lessio,4th rd pick if big z wanted to play there

Mr_enlightened

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Chara isn't worth much at all now. He looks slow.

steamer

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31 Aug 2014 06:43:42
@drgonzo: As you see, I did just that.
How about YOU giving an assessment here or elsewhere instead of only always saying that I am a douche or whatever?
I'm at least talking hockey. You're talking me, lol.

Draisaitl_94

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31 Aug 2014 06:48:15
Shankar ist exactly right, that's for a 30yr old Chara.
The St.Louis comparison is a bit wrong IMO, Marty did show no signs at all of slowing down, he scored 4 goals vs SJ, won the Art Ross a year ago and averaged like 1.1 PPG the last 5 years.
Plus, the Rangers knew that Callahan would prolly leave either way in FA since they couldn't agree on a new contract.
Also, Callahan is not old at 29, but oldER than Palat at 23, who hasn't reached his full potential yet, so that's a difference, too.
Plus Rangers were/are in a desperate win-now-mode, which TB isnt. At least not desperate, since we got SY.

Draisaitl_94

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Everyone here is wrong chara is worth nowhere near these deals but if they find the right team and add in other players like kelly plus prospects and maybe 1st or 2nd pick they could get a top 4 d man plus top six right winger to a team that's going for the cup this year

jtallas16

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I gave my opinion on the post.i then gave my opinion on you being a douche after reading you're comment.clearly I'm not the only one who has a problem with you based on the amount of clicks as we'll as hockeygodsgift and mrenlightened and others both telling you to shut up and post an idea if you're so smart rather than just dumping on peoples ideas.

Drgonzo

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01 Sep 2014 18:07:22
Lol, you three have a problem with me because you don't like that I keep telling people they overvalue their players (especially TOR and MON), but it's just the truth.
And 90% of the time, I get more agree's than disagrees, which is pretty good, considering this site is super TOR and MON heavy, lol.

Draisaitl_94

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You still don't get it do you.
-You overvalue you're players too.
-you don't know more than the 3 of us if that's all it is.
-the amount of agrees/disagrees you get with words count.its not a clicking contest

Mr_enlightened

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This conversation has been comical to follow. Seems to be a lot of pent up angst finally coming out.

THEGR81

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