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17 Nov 2018 01:06:04
Toronto- nylander
Vancouver- Tanev goldobin 3 rd rounder

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16 Nov 2018 05:18:23
New York Islanders:
RW - Jordan Eberle $6.00
LW - Brock Nelson $4.25
G - Thomas Greiss 3.33
1st Round Draft Pick 2019
2nd Round Draft Pick 2020

Columbus:
G - Sergei Bobrovsky $7.34
RW - Artemi Panarin $6.00
C - Nathan Gerbe $0.675

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16 Nov 2018 14:48:02
Not even close for both Bob and Pan.

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16 Nov 2018 19:54:09
I think if you’re talking about a resigned Panarin and Bob than this is way off, but if CBJ knows they’re going to lose both and are desperate to get SOMETHING, then it isn’t too bad.

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15 Nov 2018 20:50:59
Leafs gives:
- tim linigrin ( I spelled that wrong )

Bruins gives:
- Krug
- Carlo
-2nd (first if bruins make playoffs)

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15 Nov 2018 23:17:54
You left out Nylander? 😜😜.

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15 Nov 2018 23:35:48
Bruins wouldn’t give us Carlo for liljegren. 2 top 4 Dmen and a pick for one good prospect just isn’t in the realm of possibility.

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15 Nov 2018 23:43:29
I think you forgot to add Nylander+.

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16 Nov 2018 00:27:56
I didn’t even think that’s what he meant lol makes more sense that way. I was looking at it like he thought the world of liljegren.

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16 Nov 2018 01:29:11
Someone must be missing from Toronto?
If it is Nylander, I'd say Bruins still don't do this.
Boston has always been a team with a strong history of good D. from Shore. to Orr. Bourque, Chara. and to decimate their D core by taking arguably their top 2 D meh away. just won't happen.
Boston and Leafs also have built ( rekindled) a rivalry over the past few seasons. don't think either team has an interest in helping each other.

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16 Nov 2018 01:48:48
I think you’ve been tasting the 🌈 too often.

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16 Nov 2018 16:46:32
Nylander AND Timothy Liligren>>> Krug And Carlo.

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16 Nov 2018 20:49:24
The gap between Nylander and Krug is much, Much higher then Liligren and Carlo.

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15 Nov 2018 20:16:41
Tor: Nylander, 1st, Johansen, Lilgiren or Sandin.
LAK : Doughty, Tofoli (%25 retained on his $4.6M for this and next season) .

Who says no?

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15 Nov 2018 21:05:48
Doughtys $11 mill isn’t going to work. We will take Tofolis whole $4.6 if they retain on doughty for 8 years lol.

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15 Nov 2018 21:09:37
If there was a way cap wise, I’d do that trade. Playing with good players I think Tofoli would be a 60pt Guy also. Nylanders a lot more dynamic so I would t say they are wash by any means but he could replace a lot of his current production. And a late 1st, Johnsson who I see as a career 3rd liner and One of those 2 Dmen, preferably liljegren because doughty and zaitsev would be Locked in on RHD for a long time and Gardiner would have to walk, leaving Rielly, Dermott, Sandin for L side.

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15 Nov 2018 21:44:05
LA shoots that one down I’m sure. Very significant offer. But given that LA just re-signed Doughty long term, and at high cost, I’m pretty sure they consider him the face of the franchise. Leafs would have a hard time affording Doughty’s $11M salary as well. Would love Doughty on the team. Still the best in the game. Having a hard time seeing it ever happen though.

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15 Nov 2018 21:51:29
I say no. With Tavares signed for 11 mill, Matthews will be in or around 12 mill and Marner 8-9 mill, having Doughty at 11 mill will be absolutely crazy.

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15 Nov 2018 22:20:10
I'm not sure. But I don't do it if I'm the leafs that contract is just too much to take on going forward.

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15 Nov 2018 22:29:34
Doughty would be awesome, but can the leafs afford his contract?

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16 Nov 2018 16:52:57
Leafs couldn’t afford that contract if they retained like 2mil it would work.

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15 Nov 2018 15:00:14
to LA
Allen
Kostin

to St Louis
Quick
5th.

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15 Nov 2018 21:02:05
Quick is injured why would blues do this.

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15 Nov 2018 22:50:33
he's signed for many more years. this is a long term move, hence the inclusion of kostin.

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16 Nov 2018 00:48:39
The last thing the blues need is a frequently injured goalie with his cap hit. I think they should find a younger solution.

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15 Nov 2018 10:51:22
Canucks: horvat, tanev, stecher, joulevi, granlund

Tor: mathews, nikta z

Marlue tavars nylander
Granlund horvat marner
Hyman kadri kapapen
Llevo lindholm brown

Rielly stecher
Gradnier tanev
Hainsey dermont

Sven mathews virtanen
Goldobin petterson boeser
Roussel sutter erikson
Schaller beagle motte

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15 Nov 2018 11:28:24
lol no.

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15 Nov 2018 13:25:55
Did anyone watch the top 4 under 24 tsn show last night by Craig Button and Frank Cereveli? They rank the best group of 4 under the age of 24 of each team.
What surprised me the most was they had STL ranked 29th.
27. NSH - Tolvanen, Saros, Fiala, Fabbro.
28. Minn - Kaprizov, Greenway, Johanssen, Eriksson.
29. STL - Thomas, Fabbri, Kyrou, Dunn.
30. LAK - Vilardi, Kupari, Kempe, Anderson-Dolan.
31. PIT - Jarry, Sprong, Addison, Bellerive.


Tonight's show is ranking the top 50 players under the age 24. They said there's a clear cut number one and there was an argument about number two. Could they think Petterson has moved up into the conversation?

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15 Nov 2018 14:29:25
Lol oops. This was supposed to be a post not a comment. Sorry to hijack the thread Dmt. I don't think Mathews is available anyways 😉.

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15 Nov 2018 15:06:18
Yupp I agree that’s insane they are so low in the list, but I do like the team who was ranked #1 🤪
As for this post ya no this trade isn’t possible lol.

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15 Nov 2018 15:17:13
Maybe McKinnon is in that talk now at number two?
Who else should be up top ten under 24. Few come to mind are McDavid Mathews McKinnon Peterson Pasternak
In no particular order. Liane Eichel Drai Marner be up there. Who else.

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15 Nov 2018 15:42:33
Rantanen.

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15 Nov 2018 15:52:33
Prov and Barzal come to mind.

Imo the tiers are (no orders in the tiers)

McDavid

Matthews
MacKinnon
Petterson

Eichel
Laine
Pasta
Rantanen

Prov
Marner
Barzal
Drais
—.

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15 Nov 2018 16:01:57
I agree with most of what you saying TSS. I'm just not sure I have Petterson in that group yet.
Hes well on his way, no doubt about that, but I just want to see how he manages in a long NHL season, he's had one of the best starts to a career anyone has had. but. let's see I he can keep it up

Also. how old is Barkov. I may have him in the tier with Eichel.

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15 Nov 2018 16:04:13
I think the argument at 2 will be Mathews and MacKinnon, which shouldn't be any argument at all. Quite clear MacKinnon is superior to Mathews.

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15 Nov 2018 16:24:47
Topshelf that list is really good I agree with it exactly.

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15 Nov 2018 16:25:23
Ah ya Barkov. He'll be up there too! Funny I just overlook and forget about him. And he was just voted (I'm pretty sure by the players) as the most underrated guy in the league.
Rantanen is now of course up there.

What about under 25 D man, in the league now and not in the league now. Seth Jones under 24 still?

And crap, not to bring up the Leafs and get into an argument now but the 4 under 24 list they should each teams top ten under 24 in the system and they had Sandin ranked one higher than Lilgiren. I found that interesting because I'm a fan of Lilgiren but not gmail oar with Sandin.

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15 Nov 2018 18:17:24
@ yupp There is always some crazy things in any list craig button is a part of. But I actually like sandin a little more then lillegren too.

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15 Nov 2018 18:51:51
Ya man I've never been a fan of Button.
These lists are just his opinions with Frank Ceraveli. And they do their homework and have been scoping all these guys for many years now even before they were drafted. I'll take the list with a grain of salt and of course have differences in opinion.

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15 Nov 2018 20:29:52
I think TSS list is really good. Barkov could be in there. Him and Mackinnon are both still 23 and even though the same draft, Seth jones is a 1994 birthday, not 95 so he’s already 24 and just misses the cut off.

Pettersen has definitely had a start that should have him in the conversation, but I agree, let’s see that one again next season or after 60NHL games and check his pace. The way he creates offense, I wouldn’t be shocked if he can keep it up, but wouldn’t betvthe farm on it yet either

Also with regards to Liljegren/ Sandin I think they’re probably interchangeable on that list but Sandin was better in his first NHL camp this year than Liljegren was in his 2nd, so people have kind of fallen in love with the idea he’s further ahead and better. A year apart, a lefty and righty, if they both become top 4 guys, not stars i’ll Take it.

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15 Nov 2018 20:31:50
Imo Nylander should be in they're before Pettersen atm because like Sosa said Pettersen just have a a exellent but very small sample. After another 30 games let's include I'm if he keeps it up.

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15 Nov 2018 22:28:30
Just seen that Damien Cox a Toronto media guy on Twitter suggesting today that Toronto should trade Mathews. Saying that Tavares is playing so well why not sign Marner and Nylander and trade Mathews for a whole pile of goodies, He says not that they would but it's not a crazy idea anymore. And this idea is because of the Tavares signing and how well he is playing. Suggests something. Significant that helps now and is under contract for at least 3 years plus something else significant that is just starting ELC.
Does any Leaf fan out there agree with that? Would any one actually also suggest this.

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16 Nov 2018 00:08:51
Barkov is going to be such a sick two way force. completeky forgot about him, mainky yes because he does play in Florida lol but also because I never realized how young the guy is.
He plays with such a veteran style and yet is the same age as Mack. Hard to believe imo.
Glad you guys liked my tiers tho. if i was adding Barkov, he's in that Eichel group as well imho.

And for me, i absoluteky love Timmy, so i think Likjegren>Sandin atm, but they both coukd be promising. From reports tho, I've heard that liljegren is struggling slighlt (not points wise, but dzone coverage wise) to start this year in the AHL. Maybe that factored imto it? idk.

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16 Nov 2018 00:10:24
Totally agree with EP as well. He has a big hype train around him, i don't kmow if he tapers off but i feel like with sedins leaving him and boeser became such a big deal in Vancouver (not saying its unwarranted, no, but Barzal had the same kind of start in NYI, just less coverage so he never got spoke about) .

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16 Nov 2018 00:34:27
Just don’t think you ever win a trade when Matthews goes the other way. We waited too long for a player like him to trade him already. I can see the logic he’s trying to explain, I don’t see it ever happening and I wouldn’t want it to happen.

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16 Nov 2018 04:17:11
I’d rather keep the center depth even though Matthews injuries are a concern. Pittsburgh has proven for years that you can put almost anyone with a good center and they will produce. Not this year of course, I don’t know what’s going on in Pittsburgh. Kapanen was tearing it up playing with Matthews. Leafs need him back but I think they’d have to at least consider a bridge deal to make sure he can stay healthy.

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16 Nov 2018 05:21:03
I've been saying for months. trade Mathews lol. Leafs 17. you can't compare the Leafs to the situation in Pittsburgh. they have one and you could almost say 2 generational talents . Tavares is really damn good. and Mathews has shown he is in spurts.

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16 Nov 2018 06:47:04
Crosby/ Malkin are definitely better Sosa but Tavares/ Matthews are pretty much PPG players. I think I could put up 20 goals playing with either of them, lol. The key I guess to trading Matthews that I forgot to mention would be a legit #1 dman.

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16 Nov 2018 11:49:10
A bridge deal would be too nice for the team but no way at all Mathews agent agrees to a bridge deal. He's going to get max term and so much money.

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16 Nov 2018 12:06:12
Yes a bridge deal would be too nice. Still no way I’d trade Matthews. The thought of a #1 dman and maybe more in return is interesting but if he can stay healthy I think it would be a mistake.

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16 Nov 2018 14:31:52
Since they got Tavares, I have been saying. send the kid home., to Arizona, for OEL. And Arizona would have to add. if Chayka says no. well then the damn league should remove him. let alone his GM firing him.
This deal would be good for the league., make Toronto a more well rounded team, and make Arizona a relevant team.

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16 Nov 2018 18:12:10
I wouldn't be shocked if Matthews ends up in Arizona at some point in his career (if they still have a team), but I don’t think he wants to go now and be on a bad team. He wants to win. And obviously he makes them better, but if OEL+ goes the other way, that’s the next best piece leaving. If people don’t think leafs can compete till they get better D, what chance does Arizona have with that team by just adding Matthews and subtracting OEL and more? None.

Players always say the right thing and say they want to stay where they are and want to re-sign. But Matthews was on the spittin chiclets podcast with Ryan Whitney (side note, very entertaining, check it out) and said how he actually has stayed up at night thinking about what it would be like to win in Toronto because of the fan base and the generations that haven’t seen it and that that motivates him and wants nothing more than to win here. For a guy that isn’t overly revealing to the media in most cases and gives pretty stoic interviews, that feels pretty honest.

Considering he technically could be justified in asking more than mcdavid with almost 10 mill cap rose between their signings, I think he will leave a bit of money on the table and sign long term within the next few months. My guess is more than tavares, less than mcdavid. 8x$11.75-$12. Could be way off and he may ask $13.5 though.

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15 Nov 2018 08:34:05
Bruins have been playing pretty well, I think with a healthy D core and an add of a top 6 forward, they could really end up being cup contenders

Bos: Stone
Ott: Heinen + conditional 3rd (changes to first if stone resigns or Bos wins cup)

Ott get a really good TWF, played really well in limited ice time on the third line with more defensive players last year.

Stone would be a perfect Bruins player, big body winger

Not really sure about the return for this, I look at a guy like Evander Kane as a similar player and he only got a 1st last year because he resigned (wouldve been a 2nd if he didnt) i'd say Heinen is worth more than a 1st, a proven young player I'll take any day over a late 1st

Bruins lines

Marchy-Bergy-Pasta
Debrusk-Krejci-Stone
Bjork-Nordy/JFK-Donato
Wagner-Kuraly-Backes
Acciari

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15 Nov 2018 10:49:33
Stone would be a way pricier rental. You need to give a first for sure. Player. + depending on said player.

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15 Nov 2018 03:48:58
Habs Juulsen and Scherbak + Primeau
Flyers Simmonds and Sanheim

Simmonds equal gritty forward to play with the Domi line

As for philly I know they need high defensive iq dman

For the rest I couldn't care less about the flyers

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15 Nov 2018 04:55:44
Sanheim for Juulsen is about as lateral a move as they get. Both high quality defense prospect players. I’m not sure who carries more value at this point, but I do know Flyers are stacked on LHD and once Weber comes back, Montreal will be stacked RHD, so a trade scenario like this one isn’t unreasonable.

Simmonds for Sherbak + Primeau is questionable. Sherbak isn’t doing much, and Flyers already have Hart, so don’t really need Primeau.

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15 Nov 2018 20:27:19
I'd do it from mtl and Juulsen has more value then Seinhem based on nhl performances and postion.

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14 Nov 2018 18:26:11
It was rumord the last few days LAK GM Rob Blake wanted to make a move. Pearson for Hagelin straight up. Decent for both sides?
Pearson $3.75 for this and two more seasons.
Hagelin $4M UFA after this season.
Pens retain $250K on Hagelin so teams caps don't change at all but they take on two more years of Pearson.

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14 Nov 2018 18:43:03
Isnt Pearson quite a bit younger? And how old is Hagelin now? I think of anything Kings should look at going a lot younger.

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14 Nov 2018 18:46:42
Lol. Jus read that it happened.

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14 Nov 2018 21:15:58
Doesn’t seem like a good trade for the kings IMO. Maybe a little over payed but Pearson’s contract isn’t that big. He’s 4 years younger and scored 24 goals two seasons ago.

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14 Nov 2018 21:17:30
I'd rather have pearson but neither guy is tearing it up or anything.

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14 Nov 2018 21:42:11
I’d rather Pearson too, but that’s looking from the outside in. Pearson isn’t fast, neither is just about anyone on LA besides Kempe.

Watching the leafs play them twice in the last few weeks, they look so so slow. I know the leafs are a very quick team, but I don’t see the kings, as they’re constructed, outskating any team and that’s the way games are won now. It’s tough to make a splash when Doughty, Kopitar, and quick won’t be traded. Brown and Phaneuf probably can’t be traded. What do you do? Pearson and toffoli (I guess Muzzin/ Martinez too) are the only guys that are kinda core pieces that could be moved. They don’t gain or lose money and add a player that helps their glaring weakness, lack of speed.

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14 Nov 2018 21:49:22
LA needs more speed and he’s the fastest player in the game. ( yes he is the fastest skater ever )

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15 Nov 2018 03:30:12
Ever Heard of McDavid Larkin Barzal and Mackinnon.

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15 Nov 2018 12:31:18
Hey KFC, VBB is just over exaggerating trolling there looking to start arguments, it happened a lot here.

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15 Nov 2018 12:45:09
He’s litterly the fastest skater ever look it up he just never shown it at a all star game.

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15 Nov 2018 12:50:55
No actually I’m not exaggerating Haglin is the fastest skater in the NHL his time he took in Sweden ( no running start ) beat Larkin with a running start and McDavid he’s substantially faster then McDavid without the puck. With that being said he can’t play the game at that top speed.

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15 Nov 2018 15:08:09
Hagelin is super fast but I don’t even think he’s top 5 fast in the league anymore.

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15 Nov 2018 17:15:50
When Hagelin was deemed the fastest top speed skater in the NhL, he beat Grabner, hall and all the fast guys. But that was in 2014. Something happened in June of 2015 that changed that lol mcdavid was drafted. I don’t know exactly all the speeds, but Larkin, mcdavid, Hagelin, Grabner (slowing down a bit) and a few younger guys like kapanen, Miles Wood and others are all super fast. Regardless Hagelin is a hell of a lot faster than Pearson and just about everyone on the kings roster so it’s obvious what the plan was.

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15 Nov 2018 19:01:51
Well the reality is Haglin holds the record for fastest skater ever. McDavid may be more explosive but he’s not faster.

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15 Nov 2018 21:29:59
Thanks Nhl discussion.

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14 Nov 2018 04:37:18
So, interesting proposal I read elsewhere that I wanted to bring to attention here and see what the thoughts were.

Last year, Washington traded Orpik and Grubauer to Colorado, who immediately bought Orpik out, who then re-signed with Washington for less money. Can the Leafs do a similar trade involving Marleau?

2019 off season (after July 1 bonus is paid)

Colorado trades 2nd
Leafs trade Marleau, Bracco

Colorado immediately buys out Marleau and he re-signs with the Leafs for $2M.

Leafs save $4.25M in cap hit, thereby avoiding cash crunch.

Marleau makes more money, because he gets the money from the buyout, plus whatever he gets when he re-signs.

Colorado has more than enough cap space to absorb the full $6.25M cap hit Marleau will be carrying (35+ contract), and would only be on the hook for $4M in salary total payable. In return they get Bracco, or whatever other pick/ prospect you think they deserve for doing the Leafs this $4M favour (Orpik was a $3M favour to Washington in exchange for Grubauer) .

Remember, it smells suspiciously like cap circumvention, except Colorado has already done this before with Orpik.

Thoughts?

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14 Nov 2018 05:21:11
Well. . I think they deserve a lot more than Bracco for doing the Leafs a favor. it's this kind of thing, and whatever it is Arizona does with Datsyuk ect. that I hope the next CBA gets rid of. Some sort of way to make teams not cheat the system.

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14 Nov 2018 05:27:36
Why would any team do this to just take Bracco?

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14 Nov 2018 06:05:36
The difference is in the Washington trade colorodo actually got something in return lol.

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14 Nov 2018 12:33:41
Lol what the heck is this nonsense? 😂 Maybe change the 2nd to a 1994 Toyota Corolla.

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14 Nov 2018 12:39:37
Ya Bracco isn’t worth the second alone, they aren’t giving a second for Bracco and to do the leafs a favour. Gives them 2 years of extra cap and puts them at max buyouts if I’m not mistaken giving them less flexibility there, while not getting anything in return. Think Kapanen with a 3rd going back.

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14 Nov 2018 13:16:36
Marleau signed in Toronto because of that 3 year contract. Toronto offered the 3rd year to get the guy they wanted. Very well knowing that third year was the first year of Marner and Mathews first years of their big deals.
Colorado says thanks but no thanks, that's not even close to enough to make them consider. At least with Orpik comparison they recieved Grabaur who some said was the best backup and could challenge for more starts in net which was a big want for Colorado, someone to challenge Varly.

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14 Nov 2018 14:07:14
1st of all it would Definitely would take more to get avs to do that. Secondly, Colorado has the best line in hockey but lacks depth. I think in the next year or two they will be active and use their cap space to build a roster to compete around Mack and Rantanen, not use it as cap relief for another team. Also remember that Colorado offered Dubas the job of running their whole hockey operations of the team last year and to be Sakics boss before the leafs pulled back permission to talk and promoted him. I don’t assume they want to do us any favours.

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14 Nov 2018 14:27:05
Sheesh. Guys. It clearly says that instead of Bracco, Colorado can have someone else who is worth the 2nd and $4M bucks. Hell, they can have Johnsson if they want. He’s not doing a whole lot right now. The emphasis here should be on the concept, not the prospect player.

@unbiasedjim

We poached Tavares from Lou and he still took Martin off our hands. It’s a big business. I don’t think Sakic would hold it against Dubas that he got promoted.

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14 Nov 2018 14:49:11
Didn't they just speak to dubas about posdibly becoming the Gm? Idk but that's all I heard.

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14 Nov 2018 15:24:48
“Dubas is not going to Colorado, but here is my understanding: The contact being made was from Colorado ownership. The contact with the Leafs and Dubas was in hopes of getting Dubas to come in and run the entire hockey operation of the Colorado Avalanche. What that means for everybody else there, and what the timing on all that is, I’m not sure. But we do know now that Dubas isn’t going to Colorado; at least not now. ”

That’s from the article at that time when leafs pulled back permission quoting Bob McKenzie. I know some people have an isssue with TSN, but I have a lot of faith in what Bob McKenzie says he knows. He’s pretty careful of what he reports and what he doesn’t.

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14 Nov 2018 16:16:30
Yeah I agree bob mckenzie is still one of the best. So did he mean they wanted him to be director of hockey operations? like what was the job title?

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14 Nov 2018 17:49:32
Don’t think he ever said an exact job title, but I remember at the time they had talked about that his duties could include deciding if sakic stayed or left. So I would assume some sort of president or whatever, I don’t know.

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14 Nov 2018 17:54:06
Like shanny runs the entire hockey operations for us and he’s president. Different organizations and different owners call it different things, but It was compared, power and say wise, to that. Once shanahan realized what they were talking to dubas about, they pulled his permission to talk and neither shanny or dubas would say if a promise was made that day, but we all know Lou was replaced by dubas a year later.

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14 Nov 2018 18:07:31
Possibly I guess but I'd have to question the avs thought process on that one. I mean I just don't think they even consider bringing in anyone who would consider moving out joe sakic or even allow them to have that power. the guy has pretty much done nothing only real good things for the organization for most of his life. And not meaning to be a knock against dubas but compared to sakic especially up to that point what has he done to be considered higher up then joe? Now I could have seen the initial report of the avs looking at him for the Gm position happening and then promoting sakic.

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14 Nov 2018 21:54:26
Yeah, I don’t know the thought process but it was apparently done directly by the owner and sakic denied it was happening. Later it came out that sakic wasn’t lying when he denied they were talking to dubas, he really was unaware.

Dubas is known as a big analytics guy, my only guess is the owner got it in his head that he wanted his whole organization run like that like they did in Florida when they canned Tallon and immediately regretted it. I’m a hybrid thinker when it comes to that, I think there’s real value in analytics, but also a real hockey guy like Lou, tallon, shanahan or sakic is important.

So maybe that was his plan? Not sure, I just know we (leaf fans) were following the story at the time because most of us assumed dubas would be GM here eventually.

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