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26 Nov 2014 08:18:03
Couple different trades:
1. Josh Bailey for David Perron
2. Griffin Reinhart and Matt Donovan for 2015 1st
3. Bailey, Reinhart and 2016 1st for Hall
Grabner and Donovan/Mayfield for Foglino
I think the only realistic trade is #1 of EDM-NYI. But I want to see your guys thoughts on these. I think MacTavish would consider all of 3 of those trades because he isn't to smart. As an Isles fan I'm not trading anybody right now but towards Allstar break time I think Snow makes some moves.
26 Nov 2014 06:31:14
- 3rd round
26 Nov 2014 05:48:02
Eller, Fucale, andrighetto for yakupov
Gallagher, allen, 1st for e.kane (allen for cap reasons)
Gilbert, thomas, 2nd for coburn ( not sure exactly what philly wants but I think coburn can be a good compliment to subban)
Pacioretty. Desharnais. Parenteau
Kane. Galchenyuk. Yakupov
Bournival. Plekanec. Sekac
Prust. Malhotra. Wiese
Gives better balance and defense looks more solid
26 Nov 2014 05:03:07
Seeing as Bo Horvat is sticking with the club now, it might be time for Brad Richardson to go.
Con. 4th Rd. Pick, 2015 (if Richardson re-signs, it's a 3rd)
I feel like this would be more of a deadline day deal, but you never know. I saw someone saying that Pittsburgh needs a depth C for a playoff run, and Richardson could be that guy. Also, this trade happened:
26 Nov 2014 04:15:17
Oilers: ryan o'reilly
Oilers: steve ott and ty rattie
blues: nail yakupov and fourth round pick 2015
Oilers: colin greening and craig anderson
senators: viktor fasth and 2nd round pick 2016
Oilers:brian campbell(2 million retained)
panthers: martin maricin and third round pick 2016
Hall nugent-hopkins purcell
pouliot o'reilly perron
greening ott arcobello/rattie
hendricks gordon pinizzotto
Oilers don't trade anybody and tank the season get mcdavid or eichel and try again in free agency
26 Nov 2014 05:25:07
Col says no add a 2nd and maybe
If we send rattie to the oilers then we better be getting eberle back in the deal
Your not getting. Andy for a second
Then you'd have to add more than Ott to get this deal done.
26 Nov 2014 03:24:30
Ari: Eberle, Drasalt, Arcobello, Petry, 3rd
Edm: Yandle, Hanzel, Vermette, Korpikoski, 5th
eberle>Yandle two different position but both stars but eberle is younger and has more upside
Drasalt=Hanzel tough to value at the moment, hanzel nice number 2 center, drasalt is expected to be a number 2, I put equal because edm gets a guy who can play in the nhl where Ari gets a younger player who can but unsure of point production future
The whole post wasnt posted for some reason
Yup because 4 v 4 trades happen so frequently these days
This would be the worst deal for Edmonton they would never do this. In what world does hanzel equal drasaitl in trade value. Edm basically gives up youth, term on contracts, and high end potenial for older players, with little term left on their contracts that would likely not resign in edm.
26 Nov 2014 02:13:43
And if there is cap weaver
Desharnais to edmonton for Perron
Pacioretty galcheyuk Perron
Gallgher plekanec parenteau
Prust Eller sekac
Bournival malhotra wiese
Need more than DD for Perron. Not much, but needs something more.
26 Nov 2014 02:09:07
26 Nov 2014 08:49:30
Yus, I'm sure 4 foot 3 David Desharnais would be a great matchup for the Oilers against teams with Kesler, Getzlaf, Kopitar, Carter, Thornton, Seguin. shall I continue?
26 Nov 2014 01:46:13
Edm: Anderson, Chaisson, Smith, Greening, Prince, 2nd 2015, 1st 2016/2017 ottawa's choice come 2016 draft
Ott: Eberle, Scrivens/Fasth (Ottawa shouldn't care since their getting eberle)
I know they didn't get a 1/2 center but edm got some grit and a starting goalie, edm can still package yak, perron, pouliot, chaisson, picks they got to get a center
Hell no over pay much
25 Nov 2014 23:30:27
two moves to address Edmonton's needs:
2nd round pick
These trades are very legitimate, but jordan eberle will fetch tyler myers by himself in my opinion and if not then myers and a fourth round pick or later in draft. Also, edmonton would never trade schultz, but if the situation arose, then they would be getting a lot more than just B. Schenn. Especially since schultz potentially playing on the top pair and 1st PP would become a top defender.
25 Nov 2014 23:29:33
Another Idea in order to improve Oilers :
Edm : L and B.Schenn, VandeVelde.
Phi : Perron, Petry.
It's a dollars to dollars deal who must solve some problems on each team :
- Edm will have his 2nd C and new D and a former oiler for C depth.
- Philly will have his first line LW to stick with Giroux and Voracek and if Petry doesn't resign, shed some salary.
What do you think about this?
25 Nov 2014 22:44:06
What do you think of this idea :
SJS : Scrivens (15% retained salary) + cond 3rd Round 2015 who becomes 2nd if Niemi resigns.
Fair or not?
Fair and also not, the only reason not is because for a point of time Scrivens was namely one of the best of the NHL for the Kings but was then sent to the Oilers who are very poor defensively. So being sent to SJ could very well boost Scrivens back up in the runnings for top netminders.
25 Nov 2014 21:27:12
Edmonton: Jordan Eberle, 3rd
Pittsburgh: Derrick Pouliot, Brandon Sutter, 2nd
Pittsburgh would love to see Eberle on a line with Geno or even Sid, but Rutherford would never let go of Pouliot . Especially Johnson will not let go of his former Portland Winterhawks defender. Also, with the Penguins wanting to make a deep run in the playoffs this year, they cannot let go of one of their top players Brandon Sutter. I could see them maybe throwing a 1st rounder in 2016 and scott harrington for eberle. Or brian dumoulin and a 2016 fourth rounder or third rounder for perron.
26 Nov 2014 08:50:49
Think that's a pretty decent trade. Maybe take out the picks or change them.
25 Nov 2014 20:37:35
Mtl: Beaulieu, fucale, hudon, 2nd
Win: E.Kane, glover, 6th
Min: brodziak (both big contracts)
Habs future lineup
25 Nov 2014 19:18:41
Perron, Petry, Arcobello, 4th that turns into a second if Petry doesn't resign
25 Nov 2014 18:36:45
Edm- yakupov and 2nd round pick
Yup, that'll work. Glen Sather, GM of the century. But seriously, I understand Edmonton needs a dman and they're apparently looking to trade Yak, but Staal has the rest of this year his contract and there's not a chance in hell he'll re sign with the Oilers. Plus Yak holds more value than that. He's not going to bring in a top pairing dman by himself, but Oilers should get a nice haul for him.
25 Nov 2014 17:57:11
There is very loud whispers that the Leafs and Oilers are talking and talking big. Just 2 years ago Edmonton wanted David Clarkson real bad! They even offered Clarkson almost 1 million a year more but Clarkson said no. Well he doesn't have a no trade. I am more then confident that something could be worked out
TML Clarkson, Kadri, Gardiner 2nd pick
EDM Perron, Eberle, Petry
This trade works for both teams
TML gets some cap relief Kadri and Gardiner needs a change and Clarkson never really worked here
EDM needs a centre and a strong winger who leads by example
Funny, Very funny.
So the leafs get the three best players in the trade lol sounds about right
25 Nov 2014 18:54:23
Really hope that's a bad joke.
Gardiner = Petry
Kadri < Perron
Clarkson + 2nd = 0 (because Clarkson has negative value)
Which leaves Eberle.
Is this a joke
25 Nov 2014 19:29:20
how si perron > kadri.
they've put up relatively similar numbers over the last couple years, kadri is young and cheaper. he's also a centre which gives him a further edge.
the leaf bias around here gets pretty funny.
Same goes for edmonton fans and there bias please edmonton trade your crap to flyers please
K even if you say Perron and kadri are equal and petry and Gardner are equal clarkson and 2nd are no were near enough for eberle case closed
The trade as constructed is just plain unrealistic. Forget trade value.
And even if the value was fair (which it isn't), how does this help Edmonton?
Y r leaf fans so eager to trade kadri when they hve a weak center core
If Clarkson has negative value then what is yak worth?? One bag of pucks or two?
Eberle is the only proven guy
Lets be more realistic
Gardiner = petry
Kadri = perron
26 Nov 2014 02:46:22
^I agree Kadri and Perron I would think are pretty close to even in trade value.
Kadri + Gardiner + 2nd > Eberle + Petry
Clarkson < Perron
(If you want to disagree with me, just think: it's Toronto's 2nd. This is Toronto we're talking about here).
Edmonton may still the trade, but not by as much as some people think it may be. Plus, if each team needs a new face, this might be the perfect deal for each team. I'm on board.
26 Nov 2014 08:54:59
@thajazz: Kadri + Gardiner + 2nd > Eberle + Petry? Are you serious with that.?
@paolozza: Your statement just shows that you seem to know next to nothing about hockey. Clarksons negative value does not (or only as a combination with) come from his "bad"play, but from his ridiculous contract, that no team would take on unless they get some very good additional pieces, too. Yakupov is on his rookie contract, so you probably mention him because of his "bad" play.
So that's just a bs dumb comparison. Period.
25 Nov 2014 17:27:58
Phi need offense defensement and montreal need speed and talented guy
Brayden doesn't have great speed. I'll do the trade though :)
Habs should trade Gilbert, Desharnais and 2nd to Jackets for Foligno (ufa) & Prout
25 Nov 2014 17:24:25
EDM: B.Schenn, L.Schenn, Coburn
PHI: Perron, Schultz, Petry
EDM: Berglund, Oshie
STL: Eberle, Hendricks
Your Stl trade is brutal oshie and eberle are comparable oshie is a solid winger and hendricks for berglund would be a joke. Edm needs to add on that one
25 Nov 2014 16:43:34
25 Nov 2014 15:53:46
Saw a rumour that the oilers want Berglund what about this:
Blues acquire Eberle
Oilers acquire Berglund, Ott and one or two draft picks
Oilers get there second line center and a but more depth, grit and leadership with ott in the lineup
25 Nov 2014 17:18:29
Good start, but (depending on what the two picks are) I think the Oilers would want a bit more.
I don't think it works well for EDM.
25 Nov 2014 14:33:22
Perron, Petry arcobello, 2nd
25 Nov 2014 13:03:14
Making the Oilers a little bit better
To San Jose: Yakupov, Fasth
To Edmonton: Niemi
To Arizona: Petry, 3rd Round Pick 2015
To Edmonton: Vermette
Arizona would want Perron. Not another defender
25 Nov 2014 15:20:13
Uhh, Yakupov and Fasth for Niemi?? Maybe just Fasth for Niemi. Huge over payment by Edmonton you got there bud.
25 Nov 2014 12:18:41
MG69 posted this trade and asked for help to complete the trade:
PIT: Martin, Bennett, and a 3rd
BUF: Stewart and Foligno
GordiesGang responded with this trade looking to balance the cap
PIT: Paul Martin ($5,000,000), Beau Bennett ($900,000) & Brian Dumoulin
BUF: Chris Stewart (retain 50%, 2,075,000) & Marcus Foligno ($1,875,000)
sabres14 also replied with this trade that may be an equal exchange but does not fix the cap.
Dumoulin, Bennett, and 2nd 2015 for Stewart and Foligno
Finally, Pens1994 gave this assessment
That is the biggest joke of a trade I have ever seen. Martin could fetch one of the forwards by himself and Bennet could grab the other one with a pick coming to Pit.
Taking all of that into consideration, here is my proposal:
PIT: Paul Martin ($5,000,000), Derrick Pouliot
BUF: Chris Stewart (retain 50%, 2,075,000), Marcus Foligno ($1,875,000) & JT Compher
PIT gets two tough forwards and over a $1MM of cap relief and a good prospect, BUF gets a good Dman prospect (never too many) and a Dman that maybe they could flip. Who needs to add?
25 Nov 2014 14:44:57
Think Pouliot gets undervalued alot. Apart from that I don't think PIT is trading him, I think BUF adds, if they want him over Dumoulin.
That still only leave BUF with Pouliot after this season for all those assets that's an easy no for Murray. Martin is best suited for a cup contender not a team like BUF who is rebuilding
These are awful. Especially the last trade, poliout has been putting up at least a point per game in every level he's played (Juniors, and the AHL right now)
What about this stanleycup2019
PIT: Martin, Pouliot, Bennett, and a 2nd
BUF: Stewart (50% retained), Foligno, and Grigerenko
You guys than trade Martin at the deadline to a contender for a pick, prospect, or both. This of course is assuming you would end up with 1st or 2nd overall and can draft McDavid or Eichel.
@MG69, I would love to make that trade. IMO BUF could retain some of Martin's salary and flip him for additional blue chip prospects before the deadline. Is PIT giving up too much?
Depends on what Grigerenko's value is.
So, Christ Stewart is a lackadaisical forward and does need change, but will that change spark any offensive upside that the Penguins are looking in their next forward acquisition? Also, Marcus Foligno is nowhere near his brother in potential and would only be recognized as a third liner/depth forward. Penguins would need a lot coming back to them for two solid dmen. Especially if they take into consideration that Buffalo would most certainly trade Martin after acquiring for my pieces to their puzzle.
25 Nov 2014 11:34:08
PIT - Paul Martin $5,000,000
PHI- Brayden Schenn, $2,500,000; Luke Schenn, $3,600,000
PHI has been shopping the Schenns for a Dman, PIT has been shopping Martin for a replacement for Dupuis
PHI is right up against the cap even with Timonen, Pronger and White LTIR, PIT has some space due to the Pascal Dupuis, LTIR
Who has to add?
Pittsburgh SURELY has to add.Martin isn't exactly what the Flyers need! He's not young. He's not a number 1 and he's not worth both schenn's
Luke Schenn at 3.6 million has little value. Penguins would want Philadelphia to keep some of his salary.
This is a horrible trade for the Penguins. You don't give up a top pairing defenseman for a 3rd line center and a 3rd pairing defenseman.
Martin gets put on top pair and B. Schenn gets slotted in alongside Geno. As we all know,(if anyone has watched) B. Schenn can produce when next to the right guys, for example, Giroux. Therefore, PIT solves their top 6 winger role where they could use him as a center if need be and also get a dman back in return, where at this point L. Schenn needs new scenery.
25 Nov 2014 08:49:29
Ott: Jordan eberle
Edm: Methot Zibanejad 2015 2nd
25 Nov 2014 07:25:04
CGY to EDM- Hiller, Stajan (when healthy), Diaz, conditional 4th if CGY resigns Petry.
EDM to CGY- Petry, Perron, Fasth, condition all 2nd&3rd if Petry isn't resigned.
For EDM: Hiller is lights out right now signed for another year and the goalie EDM should have went after. Stajan is a good vet place holding C for Draisaitl. He starts as #2 then drops to #3 C when Draisaitl takes over and on a good contract. Diaz helps fill the depth lost with Petry gone.
For CGY: Perron adds - right shot with grit, Petry is a solid #4with Russell, Fasth is a decent BU and his contract expires after this year allowing Ortio the BU to Ramo.
25 Nov 2014 07:11:59
Carolina - kadri, Gardiner and lievo
Toronto - skinner and sekera
Then trade Lupul for a 3rd pick
25 Nov 2014 14:45:42
Nice try. Skinner is worth more.
I know right. It's probably because he's not a maple leaf. I'm sorry that leaf players over value their player sometimes but non leaf fans under value them more. Carolina is shopping the face of their team. Looking for a new look. Skinner is good but not worth more then what JVR can get in the market. Just saying
You kadri gardiner and lievo , aren't worth that much but lupul could get a bit more
25 Nov 2014 18:34:33
Um, I never said anything about JVR.
I'd say they're worth about the same. JVR is a super good contract for what he's doing.
But the above trade is just not enough to get Skinner. Simple as that.
I know you never mentioned jvr. I was just comparing value. Value that most anti leafers will say JVR is worth a 2nd pick. Due to skinners concussions and higher pay I believe most teams will not give much more then what I posted. Plus this allows them to have more confidence in moving E Stall. They get a second line center and a struggling defencman that have potential to florish under a different coach.
Same as Lupul. He is only worth a 3rd in this cap world we are in due to his constant injuries that limit teams interest. Teams making good money can pay an injured player as long as he's on ltir they are fine because his contract doesn't effect the cap. But teams like Carolina, Arizona can't hold onto those players
^ I agree in part Drais. I don't think Carolina would trade him for Kadri, Gardiner and Leivo, but if I were Toronto I wouldn't give up any more than that.
He's a talented player but his injury history is concerning and I could easily see him and Kadri having similar career numbers for that reason. So you're not necessarily getting a massive upgrade.
25 Nov 2014 21:51:33
Lupul is better then a 3rd round pick. for sure
26 Nov 2014 09:00:28
@Killa: Whoever says JVR is worth a 2nd is just dumb. JVR is one of the premier PWFs in the league, able to score 30, maybe 40 one day.
But Skinner is very talented, too. He's a bit younger, I think, an excellent skater, has a nose for the net and goalscoring touch. Carolina is just in a bad situation.
JVR has Kessel to play with. I know Skinner has Staal, but I don't think they played on the same line alot.
Whatsoever, JVR isn't worth a 2nd, he's worth more than a 1st (not talking top 5-10 next year, but generally).
@THEGR81: perfect assessment, I agree. No way CAR trades him for that, I think he's one of the few pieces they wanna keep and rebuild around. At least that's what I'd do if I was CAR. But it may also be true, that TOR would not be willing to give more. But then you just don't get him.
25 Nov 2014 06:15:47
Yakupov, Perron, 2nd
Is this a joke?
Loool this one is good.
If you want weber start with Hall, Nurse and add a couple of picks
25 Nov 2014 06:14:25
How about now
Na no way the Devils trade Schneider.
25 Nov 2014 05:04:49
two blockbusters here
sens get MUCH needed scoring and game breaking ability, while addressing other teams needs as well
zibanejad, smith, second 15 ( ott ) for j eberle
2) methot, michalek, prince, first 16 for r o'reilly
some key points
edm gets their center depth nd let's not forget when drasaitl is ready to be the second line center zbad can move to rw
col gets a left handed top2/4 d, a top 6 forward, a left wing prospect and a coveted first rounder
ottawa gets FIREPOWER
Our problem is not RW it's Lw stone chasion and Ryan I would rather lose Ryan than Z bad and o Riley is going too want too much money sell of vets and tank for mcdavid you build a winner through the draft and fill holes through ufa obviously edmonton is not a good example but there's Pitts Chicago and LA
25 Nov 2014 04:39:07
To San Jose: Jeff Petry,Lander, 2015 4th
To EDM: Matt Irwin,Wingles
25 Nov 2014 02:31:28
Anderson ( ottawa ) for Perron ++
Ottawa needs a good left winger and oilers seriuosly needs a starting goaltender we ( ottawa have two) we are not dealing lehner Anderson faces 35 plus shots a night and gives us a chance to win every night he will win games for edmonton but he is worth more than just Perron hence ++
Sens fans dummy up we ain't winning nothing with just goaltending we need more scorers and d man Andy has a few good yrs left in him we have our future in lehner use Andy too fill other holes he is expendable I like him but it has too happen to speed up the rebuild that is inevitable
A few? Your saying it like he is going to play 1/2 more year(s). I predict him playing 5+ years and still being an NHL goaltender.
Perron has more value, especially when he is going to a good team.
If its going to go through Ottawa needs to add a good pick, or a defenseman.
25 Nov 2014 02:07:19
bruins: brian dumoulin for ryan spooner
hurricanes: 2nd round pick 2016 for alexander semin (50% retained)
stars: rob scuderi for third round pick 2015
kunitz crosby hornqvist
spooner malkin semin
bennett sutter downie
spaling goc comeau
Lol Ryan Spooner wouldn't crack the top 6 in Pittsburgh
So PIT and BOS trade is very well put together. I can see Dumoulin being a Bruin and helping out on the back end. I could also see Spooner who is a decent prospect playing well for us(Pittsburgh), but most likely would play on third line and then move bennet up with Geno(where he should play). Semin comes to PIT, but as of right now it would be a salary dump/tank job and Semin isn't producing enough to see a 2nd rounder in return, so third in 2016 and 5th in 2016. Final trade would see bortuzzo going to Stars over Scuderi, even though Scuderi carries the hefty contract. Right now that contract is proving its worth with despres. But the third rounder I could still potentially see coming in return for Borti.
25 Nov 2014 01:37:37
Ott: Zibanejad, Methot, 2nd
No no no they can keep ror and his soon to be 7 7.5 mil contract
Way too much coming from the sens
25 Nov 2014 00:43:19
So clemmensen starts for the devils?
so its almost yakupov a second and mcdavid to the devils seeing devils will finish dead last with that goaltending
Oops. Made a better one
25 Nov 2014 00:39:45
Yakupov, Petry, second
Yakupov > Gallagher
emilen > Petry
Not enough there to justify gallagher and emelin.
You wouldn't even get Bergevin's attention
BIG NO from Habs,
25 Nov 2014 00:37:07
Yakupov, Arcobello, Petry, Marincin
To edmonton: Yandle, Vermette, fourth
24 Nov 2014 23:43:14
Marc Methot is getting much closer to returning to the line up and apparently is already getting trade interest from other teams. Darren Dreger has reported that Anaheim, Detroit, Edmonton, Florida and LA are the teams showing the most interest in trying acquire Methot. What would a player like Methot get in return in a trade to these teams?
24 Nov 2014 23:21:41
Sharks said they want to become a younger team. Also they have a stalock that they want as there starter and grosenick as a back up. I doubt if oilers make a trade with them that sharks would want either scrievns or fasth. And rumours say sharks are looking to get rid of Niemi.
Edm: Antti Niemi
SJ: Yakupov & Gernet
I think yak would do good in San jose, especially if you put him beside thornton who could feed him the puck all day.
Ariz: J. Schultz + high draft pick
LA: Arcobello+Kelfbom+ Draft pick
Scrivens/Fasth> Can trade either goalie to Columbus whos in need of a back up.
As a sharks fan i'd like this. Stalock is injured atm so maybe it would wait until he's back tho. Then we could sign a veteran UFA as a back up to mentor Stalock a little.
25 nov 2014 23:53:19
the oilers aren't trading yakupov for an average goalie who will be a ufa at the end of the year. period.
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