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11 Dec 2018 13:18:58
Blues: Tarasenko

Dallas: Faksa, Lindell, Honka, Nichuskin rights, 1rd 2019, Radulov @1.5 million retain

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11 Dec 2018 14:27:20
Um no. That's awefu l. How bout this

Sundqvuist, Sandford, walman 2022 2nd and toropchenko

For

Seguin

Get 're done boom boom.

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11 Dec 2018 15:10:43
The gap between Radulov and Senko is probably a 1st. What even is this?

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11 Dec 2018 15:18:56
yeah sorry but radulov is 32 that's 6 years older thank tarasenko. No thanks. This deal is crap. /.

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11 Dec 2018 13:15:50
Kings Trade
Doughty

Leafs Trade
Kadri
Zaitsev
Bracco (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2019

Leafs get there man on Defence getting Doughty.

Thoughts?

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11 Dec 2018 13:47:50
Even if LA considered this (anything is possible at this point), the leafs can’t afford Doughty’s huge contract unless LA retained some money.

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11 Dec 2018 14:28:52
If you want doughty expect marner to go the other way. I am sure zaitsev could go as well to help with cap. The notion you can ask for a defender of that caliber who has term for scraps is laughable.

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11 Dec 2018 15:11:34
Marner>Taresanko And Paryanko as a package.

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11 Dec 2018 15:20:08
Are we talking about the blues no. so VBBBVVBB do your self a favor stick on topic.


Also Marner is not more valuable than tank and parayko.

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11 Dec 2018 07:18:16
Just a shot in the dark on this one.

To STL

Travis Zajac
Pavel Zacha
Michael McLeod
John Quennville
2ND Round Pick in 2019
1st Round Pick in 2020

To NJD

Vladimir Tarasenko
Colton Parayko

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11 Dec 2018 09:26:02
I can tell you’re a Devils fan, my god. I’m going to give you a lesson here, quantity does NOT equal quality. That package doesn’t get you Tarasenko OR Parayko, let alone both together.

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11 Dec 2018 12:28:05
I’d bet anything that package would get one of them. That’s definitely a lot better then what Karlsson got And Kessel.

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11 Dec 2018 14:29:50
Blues say no. Quantity doesn't equal quality. If nj, wants parayko think hall.

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11 Dec 2018 15:12:50
Hall for Paryanko, Thomas, Kyrou And 1st?

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11 Dec 2018 03:24:57
Totally spit-balling here

STL is struggling mightily, crazy with the off-season they had and they still suck

BOS needs a top 6 winger and I've heard Tarasenko's name in a couple rumors.

BOS gets: Tarasenko (20% retained)- makes it 6 mill a year
2019 3rd rounder

STL gets:
Krug- incredibly gifted OFD
Ryan Donato- Similar game to Tarasenko, high end prospect, looks really solid in past few games
2019 1st rounder

STL get pieces back that can still help them win now, with the right linemates, maybe Oreilly and Schwartz, Donato can really develop into a stud, Krug is one of the more underrated OFD in the league, guarantee for 60 points and a great PP QB. Cap is added so Bruins have a little more wiggle room for young player.

Perfect buy low value on senko although Bruins are still giving up a lot

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11 Dec 2018 03:43:47
i would do this from a st louis point of view. the main thing i think from boston, do they have the defensive depth to be able to give up a piece like krug?

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11 Dec 2018 03:46:06
Blues laugh at you then just out of spite offer jaybo and steen for macavoy.

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11 Dec 2018 04:00:58
@pkane yea they do, when healthy they have 7 really solid D, with their injuries a lot of guys from the AHL came up and played really well, the only thing is replacing a PP QB like Krug, I think McAvoy can eventually but not yet, just a fun trade idea tho.

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11 Dec 2018 04:03:45
@redwing what do you think the Blues could get for senko? i get that he's a stud but idk how much more teams would be willing to give them.

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11 Dec 2018 05:08:13
I mean the deal isn't horrible but I found the part about krug being guarenteed to score 60 points funny considering he never has.

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11 Dec 2018 05:58:16
Teresenko will not be retained at all for this to work.

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11 Dec 2018 05:58:30
And I wouldn’t even take that package.

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11 Dec 2018 06:23:10
Did it ever occur not to trade your 40 goal scoring player. It's a joke.

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11 Dec 2018 12:29:24
Krug And Saint Louis are not a fit IMO.

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11 Dec 2018 01:52:27
In the off-season

WPG: Trouba, Nogier
NYI: Pulock, Dobson

Jets get two decent RHD for the price of one really good one. Islanders get a #1 RHD.

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11 Dec 2018 03:25:17
Jets want to contend now, no.

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11 Dec 2018 03:27:39
Something like this might work if Trouba won't sign. The Isles may want something a bit better than Nogier though. We'll have to see what Islandjet says.

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11 Dec 2018 12:30:24
Is he a UFA or RFA in the offseason?

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11 Dec 2018 15:33:51
Trouba is still RFA at season's end.

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11 Dec 2018 00:14:58
Ok let's test this.

Columbus : Jones

Ottawa : dzingle, brown, paul, Ceci, Ottawa's 2020 1st (conditional)

Ottawa gets Chabot a legit partner

Columbus gets a top 6 - 9 NHL forward, A top 4 defence, a high end prospect, a mid range prospect, and a 1st rounder if Ottawa makes it to round 2 of playoffs in 2020 otherwise a 2nd.

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11 Dec 2018 01:00:23
no from ottawa.

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11 Dec 2018 01:50:20
so pauls useless, and ceci would be columbus’ 5th dman (werenski, murray, savard, nuutivara)

brown is a nice piece, but his ceiling is a 2C, more likely a solid, big checking 3C.

dzingel is a 2nd line, 40point winger on Ottawa, probably a 3rd line rental addition for a playoff team, sure maybe could garner a 1st.

the first isn't even guarranteed so that isn't a game breaker. has to be unconditional to even get the ball rolling.

for jones your talking chabot+ tbh, your not getting a future top5 leaguewide dman and a #1 dman right now, locked up long term.

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11 Dec 2018 01:51:16
I don't think CLB is trading Jones anytime soon. Lol. Zero need to trade one of the top young D men in the league for a package. He's too good and important to the team.

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11 Dec 2018 02:01:11
So Ottawa gets a possible future Norris trophy winner for a 26 year old 3rd line winger (top 6 on crap teams), a center prospect that is yet to play a game in the nhl and isn’t getting younger, Paul who is no longer a relevant prospect of a prospect at all, a over paid 5-7th defence and a conditional 1st. GTFOH! You can’t possibly think that Columbus would even consider this! To quote BIlly Madison’s high school principal “What you’ve just said is One of the most insanely idiotic things I’ve ever heard. At nompoint in your ramblng incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on our souls”.

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11 Dec 2018 02:21:32
Clb isn't trading jones and if they did they would be looking for a package with more high end talent.

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11 Dec 2018 02:54:58
First of all, not a chance from Columbus.

Second of all Nick Paul was a decent prospect when he was traded for spezza going on 5 years ago. He’s an AHLer now.

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11 Dec 2018 03:02:34
1. Ceci sucks
2. Brown is solid, not a high end prospect
3. Paul is a 4th liner
Big no from CBJ.

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11 Dec 2018 04:14:22
Quality over quantity especially when the quantity really sucks. Execpt brown.

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11 Dec 2018 05:00:41
Ceci is hot garbage, just like your biased posts.

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11 Dec 2018 13:19:29
Ok firstly who exactly is nuutavira? Rofl Ceci literally out ranks him by name alone let alone experience and skill. He's top 4 even in Columbus.

Secondly it doesn't matter what I post here because even clear over payments are never enough according to many of you, I could post Ottawa's best 12 players for Jones and you still expect to add 4 1st round picks on top, somehow according to you guys Ottawa could have the top 3 leading scorers in the league and they'd still be worth no more than a 3rd round pick and a late one at that. You people wouldn't know true value of it was waived in you face.

And thirdly this is for top shelf, think about your comment on dzingle for a second, if Foligno can go from 3rd or 4th line in Ottawa when the most we had at that time was the pizza line to being a 1st line winger in Columbus to this day, and dzingle is a much better player on top line role now on a team with more depth then back then there's no doubt he'll be top 6 there especially with panarin leaving. Who exactly is going to out rank him? Wenberg, and who? Kind of need 5 more to make that comment work.

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11 Dec 2018 14:17:11
Rambo Dzingel scores at the same rate as Killorn so I’ll just leave it at that, that’s not legit top 6 production on a competitive team. You don’t know who Nuttivara is and we’re supposed to take your opinion on his value and skill seriously? Simply put, any trade for Jones will need a high end, wow player coming back and this package doesn’t have it. You can throw 15 players/ picks in a deal like this who may add up to value, but CLB doesn’t pull the trigger without a premium piece coming back.

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11 Dec 2018 15:02:14
Jbs other than wenberg and panarin who won't be there much longer noone else among Columbus forwards out ranks dzingle, Atkinson maybe and the Anderson and Jenner around similar skill set. Foligno just benefits from top line mines which dzingle would do better with.

Nuutavira definitely don't out rank Ceci, not a chance.

Schmoe get real, brown "not a high end prospect" hahaha tell that to any gm in the league they'll think you're a stand up comedian. The guy was slated to go top 5 in his draft year before injuries bumped him down, and his ceiling is 1st line center guaranteed top 6 forward, just needs work on skating ability which is coming along nicely. If that's not a high end prospect then we must be on Mars.

Also dzingle much better than killorn, killorn only looks good from time playing with elite and top end players in Tampa, on a weak team he's a joke, dzingle rarely plays with the better Ottawa guys but rather spearheads a line himself, that speaks for itself.

Paul still a decent prospect that can be a role player in bottom 6 on most team including CBJ.

And the 1st will likely be a 1st as not much leaves Ottawa that they can't replace. Jones a clear upgrade on Ceci and paired with Chabot or Lajoie makes their defense legit instantly, and clearly their offence in fine as is so round 2 shouldn't be too tough unless they hit Tampa in round 1.

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11 Dec 2018 15:06:02
And fyi Jones wouldn't get Chabot straight up let alone adding to Ottawa side. Sure he's better defensively but Chabot got a bigger edge offencivly and he's younger with a bigger ceiling. Was also endorsed by Ek who said he was much better than he was at that age over last 2 years running. Again classic example of under value on sens players.

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10 Dec 2018 22:08:52
Following the McDonagh precedent set by Tampa Bay, this happens at the deadline.
[McDonagh and Miller for Namestnikov, Howden, Hajek and a conditional 1st]

Toronto Trades: Carl Grundstrom [ELC] + Nikita Zaitsev [4.25 Million x 5 Years] + Timothy Liljegren [ELC] + 2019 1st Round Draft Pick + Conditional 2021 1st Round Draft Pick + 2020 2nd Round Draft Pick.
St. Louis Trades: Alex Pietrangelo [6.50 Million x 2 Years (50% Retention - 3.25 Million x 2 Years) ].

[Condition: Leafs must win cup in 2019, 2020 OR 2021, or Pietrangelo must be resigned for pick to be transacted, otherwise it becomes a 2021 3rd]

I’m willing to add Gardiner and Johnsson and subtract Grundstrom and Zaitsev at discretion, i just think the above is more fair.

- This is basically the McDonagh deal, except, instead of getting another player like JT Miller, we get the huge 50% retention. As STL is rebuilding, its definitely possible they have cap space, and if they need more, Toronto could easily take on a one year cap dump like Gunnarson.
- Liljegren is easily an upgrade on Hajek, Grundstrom a downgrade on Howden but is a relatively similar player. Plus, instead of one 1sts we send two, and the only reason one is conditional is because we need to insure success for ourselves too, lol.

Hopefully its not too lopsided. I tried to keep the McDonagh trade as the precedent, and added more since imo Petro > McD. But their contract situations are extremely similar as well.

Toronto Lineup:
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander
Marleau - Kadri - Kapanen
Ennis - Lindholm - Brown

Rielly - Pietrangelo
Gardiner - Hainsey
Dermott - Ozhiganov.

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11 Dec 2018 00:42:01
I like using precedents as the basis for my proposals as well, and I think the McDonagh one is most relevant for a Pietrangelo deal.

Pietrangelo is on LTIR, and may require surgery for his hand. That could have him sidelined for quite a while. Obviously no deals would be made until he comes back and is playing at 100%, at which point deadline may have already passed. Then the Karlsson trade becomes the most relevant comparable.

Just one question: the conditional pick for Leafs winning cup in 2021 doesn’t make sense if Pietrangelo doesn’t re-sign (he won’t be on the team then) . If he re-signs, they get the pick anyway. So maybe just make it conditional on the extension?

Good job TSS. This trade has a lot of merit. Helps both teams achieve something. I expect if Petro gets moved, a package similar to this one would be the return for him. Blues might wait until next year to see if the team is competitive. Both Schenn and Pietro will be pending UFA’s then.

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11 Dec 2018 01:03:37
any proposal with Timothy Liljegren in it makes me want to cringe a bit. i really don't see them giving up on him this soon. i really think he will be top 2 or top 4 in a few years with them and a core piece of their future. i mean if they really get desperate to make a move for top 2/ top 4 help NOW they may do it but giving up that big of a piece would be rough. i'd sooner get rid of Sandin over Liljegren.

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11 Dec 2018 03:04:02
Trade is pretty damn well thought out, I just don't think the 50% retained works.

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11 Dec 2018 03:49:37
Trade sucks. Grundstrom liljgren lmfao. Blues won't make tgis trade.

Nylander liljgren 1st zaitsev.

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11 Dec 2018 04:45:51
I don’t think it’s awful, I just don’t see value in Zaitsev so taking him on and retaining I don’t think works, even if the rest of the package is comparable to what Tampa gave up for McDonagh (who was slightly less regarded, no retention, and had an injury of his own) . Overall I think it’s possible not sure if Blues have the cap or would pull the trigger on it though.

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11 Dec 2018 11:27:01
Redwing, don't you realize the Blues are 29 in the league? And Petro at the desdline will barely have one year + one playoff run on his deal.

Nylander goes in a deal for Parayko, long term for long term.

Nylander doesn't go for Petro. Like Tampa and McD, maybe he resigns, but his main purpose is to just be a rental for two seasons.

And to the others: @kane, i kmow, it hurts me to trade timothy, cause he does have that monster potential, but i mean, if our bst chance to win the cup is now, i'd rather go all-in for a dman now.
@jbs maybe gardiner instead of z?

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11 Dec 2018 13:36:48
@PKane, I don’t think this is ‘giving up on Liljegren so early’. When Arizona got frustrated with strome and perlinis progress and shipped out 2 high pick prospects for a weak to average return, that has an odour of ‘giving up on them’.

Having to include a good RHD prospect while acquiring a 28 year old top pair RHD doesn’t mean they’re giving up on him, just means it would be something you can expect the other team would need included to make the deal.

I get what you’re saying, it would be nice to see him through, but look at the leafs talent and age of their core. If we can sacrifice a good young player to make the team far better today, we would have to. We were an up and coming team the last cpl years and if you can add Tavares and Pietrangelo in one season and only lose zaitsev off the current roster, you do it. Our goaltending is really good, forwards rival anyone in the league if not set the bar, but what separates Tampa from us is the high end D with hedman and McDonough and then stralman and Serg. Pietrangelo, Rielly, Gardiner, dermott is not the same by any means, but it’s a hell of a lot closer.

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11 Dec 2018 14:50:10
TSS honestly I don’t even think you need to add Gardiner, almost just either no retention or move Zaitsev in a different deal as a dump. Just not sure St. Louis can take the salary and not sure Zaitsev adds value to St. Louis. Package is good, Gardiner would be much too much to add imo.

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11 Dec 2018 15:32:27
Unbiased Jim. I just see Liljigren being a huge piece of their future, i'd sooner part with Sandin over him.

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10 Dec 2018 20:27:33
mtl- Benn-hudon-lindgren

fla- bjustad-malgin-Reimer (cap dump)

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10 Dec 2018 20:49:35
I wouldn't want either one of those players coming back so a big fat no from me.

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10 Dec 2018 23:10:04
a 6th D, 4th line F (at best) and an AHL goalie for a very solid middle 6 forward, prospect with top 9 potential and a backup. Yea I think the florida GM might throw up.

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11 Dec 2018 02:23:19
Yeah not to mention montreal takes back way more of a cap hit for 3 players they don't need and already have better options of.

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10 Dec 2018 19:31:10
Blues waive goaltender Chad Johnson.

call up young guy Jordan Binnington.

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10 Dec 2018 20:50:05
Johnson Arizona bound maybe?

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10 Dec 2018 23:24:57
Robert bortuzzo also just beatbthe crap out of zach Sanford at practise, so maybe that, along with waiving a backup, will be the answer instead of trading from the core lol.

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10 Dec 2018 18:39:43
To St.Louis:
Nylander, Liljgren, Marincin
To Leafs:
Kyrou, Parayko, Bouwmeester

Now that is a fair trade.
The salaries make it tricky though so St. Louis adds Bouwmeester as a cap dump and the leafs place him on waivers while sending back marincin as a cheap replacement for St. Louis

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10 Dec 2018 19:06:56
In my opinion:
Parayko>Nylander
Kyrou>Liljegren
And then the other two aren’t as relevant to the deal. St Louis is in the midst of a change up/ start of a rebuild. There’s no need for them to trade young assets. Especially when the main piece coming back is a winger, since their best player is a winger already and that’s not the position you typically build around.

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10 Dec 2018 19:33:29
you want fair value then here it is.

Parayko Kostin

Nylnader, Liljgren sandin.

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10 Dec 2018 19:40:22
themostleaf33-- I thought we agreed that we were not going to bring up your stupid trade offers anymore because parayko, by consensus of the board and by mmost logical people, Cost more than your willing to pay. Do us all a favor find another dman to sell short and under pay for.

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10 Dec 2018 20:49:08
Still don't get the high opinion on Parayko. Watched many a game he has played and he is what he is. A 30-40 point dman. Pretty good defensively but makes a few bone headed moves. He gets his high minutes because of an injury to there best dman and because the bottom pairing is weak. I see him as a good top 4 guy. Just my opinion though. I am not convinced Parayko is available, but should he be traded no way does he get what Colt suggests. Again this is just my opinion.

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10 Dec 2018 21:12:42
Doncherry, I agree. If I’m St. Louis they believe he’s good enough to let pietrangelo go though, I’m on board! Lol I’ll take Petro over parayko anyday.

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10 Dec 2018 22:42:30
Ok, I understand why you may undervalue Nylander, but not Liljgren.
However, the reason Nylander is worth so much is because of his potential, he will be more then just a 60 point player, and a future 30 goal scorer
Parayko has basically reached his potential by this point.

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11 Dec 2018 00:15:57
Colt, to be honest what I see as fair is:

Parayko and Kostin for Nylander, Liljegren and 2nd.

Sandins too much buddy. Liljegren is better than Kostin as a prospect, and the 2nd adds sweetner. What your suggesting is Parayko for Nylander and Liljegren because Kostin and Sandin are equal imo (hell, imo, sandins outplaying kostin pretty far), so that's a no dice.

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11 Dec 2018 02:35:37
Redwing what if you dropped Kostin and Sandin and added Bracco/ Joseph Woll and 2nd from the leafs side?

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11 Dec 2018 03:51:28
Bravo suck. In all honesty any trade for petro or parayko will be over payment. You are gutting the blues defense.

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11 Dec 2018 07:16:48
Thermo are we going to ignore the fact that you said Matthews was going to be out 4-5 months?

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11 Dec 2018 13:53:37
Ya, I was just repeating a rumour I heard so whatever.

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