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18 Aug 2018 13:45:16
Blues Trade

Leafs Trade

4th Line Depth Trade, Barbashev gives the Leafs more depth at 4th Line Center to share with Lindholm, Leivo should crack the Lineup with the Blues being a little weaker on RWing.
I expect to have backlash that Barbashev is the next Datsyuk and the Blues would never do this trade, let the attacks begin. LoL

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17 Aug 2018 21:32:16
2 Trade Proposals


Colorado Trades

Toronto Trades
1st Round Pick 2019


Detroit Trades

Toronto Trades
2nd Round Pick 2019
3rd Round Pick 2020
7th Round Pick 2020

Don't want to hear can't compare The Skinner trade to this because Skinner is injury prone, Skinner has missed only 8 games in 4yrs Nyquist 6 games, if anything Skinner is the better player if compared, Colorado even though they made the playoffs are rebuilding on the fly and my trade Proposal helps them long term as well as this season as both Brown and Carrick will play full time with them.

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18 Aug 2018 00:28:57
I think you've hit both trades right on the head. There is no way Detroit or Colorado could turn them down. Make sure you email the GM's of all three teams right now and let them take advantage of your superior trade packaging ability.

Colorado and Detroit fans: I'm only kidding, but I just wanted to give Pinball a positive response for once.

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18 Aug 2018 01:05:33
1st one no from Colorado and Detroit probably takes that at the deadline but Toronto dose not need Nyquist. He would probably be playing fourth line.

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18 Aug 2018 02:54:16
First Trade:

You are trading depth pieces and a 1st for the Avs best Defenseman. Not enough for Barrie. Also the Avs may be rebuilding on the fly like you say but the Avs still need good players to teach and hide the youth behind. Also Avs made the playoffs, they are probably trying to build around MacKinnon and not blow it up.

Second Trade:

I’m pretty sure someone on here literally said that there is no real comparison bar and Skinner trade shouldn’t really used as a comparable. It’s one thing to compare contracts based on similar play, doesn’t necessarily mean th trade values should be the same.

Regardless of th injury history, as a wings fan we decline. Those picks are also expected to be late now with all the expectations as leafs being cup favourites.

I do expect a better offer that doesn’t include fillers like Leivo. Or at least if there is a bidding war then I can see other teams beating that.

Main point- Nyquist won’t be a Maple Leaf. So you can forget it.

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18 Aug 2018 03:43:55
Easiest no from Colorado and that’s a lot of nothing for Nyquist but 🤷🏼‍♂️.

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18 Aug 2018 05:05:06
Well. at least it wasn't a proposal for Panarin.

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18 Aug 2018 14:48:03
If you were a gm you'd have easily the best team in the league! But I guess have a hard time getting other gms to agree but your ideas trading garbage for talent are incredible!

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16 Aug 2018 14:27:33
Columbus Trades

Toronto Trades
Connor Brown
Rasanen (KHL)
1st Round Pick 2019
1st Round Pick 2020*
2nd Round Pick 2020

*Conditional Pick only if Panarin resigns with the Leafs.

As a one Season rental I believe getting a 3rd line 2 way winger in Brown, a good prospect in Rasanen, plus a 1st and 2nd Round Pick in 2019 and 2020 plus a possible extra 1st Round Pick in 2020 is plenty enough to get Panarin, I will probably get backlash again on here but really it's honestly fair and helps both Teams in the big picture.

Thoughts ?

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16 Aug 2018 15:05:18
How does it help Columbus? They want to win. why would they give up a guy who scored a point per game for depth and future picks? They will keep Panarin unless they get a solid top-6 forward back, that will contribute to the team now. Which now of these do.

Pinball you get backlash because the trades you propose only make the Leafs better, not the other team. You’re not terrible at determining value, but you need to look at trades from the perspective of both teams.

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16 Aug 2018 15:18:14
I guess I don’t see why you always post the same, or very similar proposals all the time. The leafs are not resigning any high end forward not named Matthews, Marner and Nylander. They should keep Brown unless he’s involved in a deal for a defenseman. If Toronto decides to add another scoring threat it will be for this year only. I’m guessing the right deal is not available for a defenseman right now. Please make some new proposals instead of looking for approval from people who are sick of the garbage. Then come back hours later tweaking the same stuff. You’ve been back for a week and it’s getting old already.

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16 Aug 2018 15:19:11
ProDepth the problem the Jackets have with Panarin is he will probably walk as a UFA after this Season, if he is locked for even 2yrs than yes it's not enough to get a Top Forward like Panarin, but Columbus needs to move forward for the now and future, I am sure the Islanders are kicking themselves for not getting anything for Tavares and Columbus must have that at the back of there mind, will Columbus win the Cup this coming Season, probably not so keeping Panarin is a step backwards, I made this proposal because Panarin is a rental and in the end is probably going either to a Florida Team or Chicago as a UFA.

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16 Aug 2018 15:19:36
Stopppppppp posting crap like this over and over and over and over again.

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16 Aug 2018 15:55:29
Keeping Panarin helps them more then this deal does. If they keep Panarin and make a deep run in the playoffs (they had a 3-1 lead on The eventual cup winners; and their team is very young) then maybe Panarin considers resigning or they give the city a playoff run they’ve never experienced.

If they make this trade, the blue jackets become significantly worse (Panarin was a lot of their offence) and none of the pieces coming back will likely be difference makers, and Brown is the only asset that is a safe bet to contribute to the team.

There’s a reason people disagree with your proposals, stop trying to change everyone’s mind.

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16 Aug 2018 16:14:42
Again, CLB will be able to get at least this much at the deadline if they decide to trade Panarin. So, they're better off just playing him until then and getting the same assets at the deadline rather than doing the Leafs a favour and sending him to Toronto now.

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16 Aug 2018 16:35:13
On top of why would CBJ do it, and other teams would be in the bidding, every trade you make is stacking depth players on depth players.

Championship teams have familiar depth players playing important roles. Lars Eller, Jacob Vrana, even Alex Chiasson on the caps, and Bryan Rust and Carl haglins on the pens. No other team is going to value them as much as their own team. They are not going to fetch you a lot in a trade but they know the system, they know the style of game you want them to play and they can go up and down a lineup while not taking much cap space

Those are Brown, Hyman, Kapanen and Johnsson for us. You aren’t going to get panarin by trading them, but your team has a better chance of going deep or even winning with Matthews, marner, Nylander and those 4 than you do just adding panarin at the expense of your depth.

This one you only have giving up one of them, but I think this offer gets beat.

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17 Aug 2018 09:52:02
Maybe try even more quantity instead of quality? lol.

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18 Aug 2018 03:09:52
Just cause panarin probably doesn't want to signing clb doesn't mean they want to give him away for spare parts, they start at top 6 winger and go from there, not a bunch of futures, plus those 1st round picks would be late anyway so not sure things by any means.

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15 Aug 2018 20:48:34
Ottawa - Karlsson, Ryan, Pageau

Montreal - Patch, Alzner, Lernout and 4th round pick 2019

What more would Montreal have to add?

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15 Aug 2018 21:20:39
A lot. like more than they ever would. Also one of habs best players, if not their best, is a top pair RHD. Why would they go for Karlsson?! Out of all the areas they need help in, that’s not it. They would give their whole future to a division rival an hour down the road and it wouldn’t help their team that much. Makes no sense.

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15 Aug 2018 23:33:39
That's a lot of cap for montreal to take on but even still there is nothing of real value going back to ottawa only patches who would probably be there until the deadline this year.

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16 Aug 2018 00:34:25
Even if Ottawa accepted this ridiculous proposal why would Montreal do it?
Canadiens need to tear it down and start again with good Draft Choices, not Drafting Brady Tkachuk wasn't a good start but they need to rebuild not retool.

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15 Aug 2018 19:03:48
The Flyers should move Simmonds now because they will be facing a cap crunch when they need to sign their upcoming RFAs (Provorov, Konecny, Sanheim, Patrick) and can't give Simmonds the term and AAV he'll demand. Buffalo needs a character guy in the locker room to help change the culture and have the cap space in the short and medium term to sign him.

I've modelled it off the Schenn trade and adjusted for contracts, player value etc.

Philadelphia: Conditional SJ 1st 2019 (Kane trade), Conditional 2019 STL 1st (O'Reilly trade), Sobotka ($3.5MM UFA 2020) (borderline cap dump)

Buffalo: Simmonds ($3.975MM UFA 2018), Morin ($700k RFA 2021) NHL ready but injured until February (for the blue line long term)

Both should be firsts in the late teens or 20s.

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15 Aug 2018 20:52:08
Seems like an overpayment from buffalo. He'll be an unrestricted free agent next year so his value decreases slightly due to the latter.

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15 Aug 2018 23:17:28
What exactly are the conditions on the picks.

Values not bad for the beginning of the year.

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15 Aug 2018 23:57:54
I would peg Simmonds as fetching a late first and a B prospect so I added Sobotka and Morin to balance things out. Buffalo has short and medium term cap space to resign Simmonds. I think Simmonds may want to commit to Buffalo if they give him AAV and term, he can play on an up and coming team with Eichel and Dahlin, and is close to Toronto. It also seems Buffalo is willing to part with futures for current talent to become relevant again and have a shot at the playoffs.

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16 Aug 2018 18:14:15
2 1sts for rental? Big overpayment. + buffalos 1st will most likely be bottom 5. They lost there best 2 way forward and winger but replaced Kane with Skinner and you can’t count on a 18 year old dman to carry a team.

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16 Aug 2018 18:37:02
He doesn't have buffalos 1st in this trade if you look they are both from other teams they also aren't just getting simmonds. Unless your thinking that morin is equal to sobotka.

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16 Aug 2018 20:17:13
Yeah, it’s not Sabres own 1st rounder. But still it is apparently based on the Brayden Schenn trade but the blues got a 25 year old Schenn at $5 mill for 3 more years. This is one year and Simmonds, who is turning 30 in a week. He’s great at what he does, but I don’t see the 2 players as that comparable, or their current situations, so I wouldn’t assume that similar of a return. That’s just me though lol.

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16 Aug 2018 21:59:13
Ohh okay my apologies but with that being said at the deadline I could see him maybe getting a 1st or a 2nd + a prospect like Liespic he had a weak season last year similar to Patches.

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15 Aug 2018 19:01:58
Detroit Trades:
Jimmy Howard
Gustav Nyquist (50 % retained)

Calgary Trades:
Tyler Parsons
3rd 2019
Conditional 2nd 2020 ( 1st if Nyquist re-signs)

Detroit does this to clear cap and gain a young goalie prospect with upside.

Calgary gets a veteran 1B goalie t share with Smith and depth for their Top 9.

Who adds? Is it fair?

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15 Aug 2018 20:43:07
Calg can't add all that $$. Lol.

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16 Aug 2018 18:49:49
@yupp That was my concern too.

I als forgot when I saw Capfriendly that they haven’t re-signed Hanafin.

Is there any cap they can send back? I know Brouwer was their main cap dump but he’s bought out.

Is the value fair otherwise?

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16 Aug 2018 22:24:20
I don't see the Flames trading for aging guys when they already have a 36 year old goalie and they like their backup Rittich (? ) . And they just let older Brouwer go and made a trade to get younger on D and wing respectively. They have some good young players who are knocking on the door and will get their shot, I just do see them bringing in an old Howard with the two goalies they have now and an older winger when they just brought in Neal and Lindholm.
I think they would just rather keep that prospect. Also they can't fit that money anyways. But if they could I would say a big no from Calgary anyways.

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17 Aug 2018 18:01:13
Parsons has struggled thus far its never a good sign for a goalie to be playing in the ECHL the future for him isn’t that bright and why would Philly need a struggling goalie prospect? Hart looks like a stud.

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17 Aug 2018 18:03:09
Disregard my last post I’m not sure what I was thinking. I read the previous post and got confused.

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18 Aug 2018 02:57:55

You make some good points. Thanks for the feedback.

Just trying to see if Wings can get a nice G prospect. After Howard and Bernier it’s all just hoping that one becomes a stud.

Is there any other teams that might consider moving a G prospect with Parsons similar upside?

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15 Aug 2018 18:26:32
WPG: Kulikov
EDM: 6th Round Pick 2019

Edmonton gets a player that can fill in while Sekera is injured. Jets move a defenceman and a cap hit without giving up any prospects or picks.

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15 Aug 2018 20:10:21
Kulikov is slightly overpriced but I'd rather him than a 6th. Right now.

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15 Aug 2018 20:09:52
Your fellow peg fans aren’t going to like this. Because last week they said kulikov was better than Gardiner and Zaitsev amd I wouldn’t think about moving either of them for less than a prospect and a 2nd.

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15 Aug 2018 20:59:56
Moving Kulikov would save the Jets $4.3 mil this season which would make a trade to the Oilers feasible, but they would want a 3rd or 4th round pick. The Jets would have Morrow and Poolman that could easily take Kulokov's place on the 3rd pairing.

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15 Aug 2018 21:11:30
I'd rather just keep Kulikov for the depth. There are always injuries during the year and Kulikov can help keep Chiarot and Morrow from playing too many minutes. Losing the depth for a 6th round pick isn't worth it.

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16 Aug 2018 18:38:28
I think that if kulikov could quite getting hurt he'd be a decent partner for buff or Myers. Bring some defence to one of them but that's a big if.

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16 Aug 2018 22:25:37
Oilers can just sign someone for a lot less than Kulikovs money. Davidson, Sbisa, Emelin, a bunch others.
I bet they bring back Davidson on a PTO.
I wish they would do something bigger tho F.

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17 Aug 2018 02:27:08
Davidson is still available? I’m not being rude when I say this but weren’t you guys really high on him?

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17 Aug 2018 10:32:39
Yeah I was, he had to step up for injuries like 2 or 3 seasons ago and he played so solid.

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17 Aug 2018 16:19:28
I thought he was pretty good ebs.

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15 Aug 2018 07:14:03
Given skinners trade value, maybe the new owner also doesn’t value Faulk too much.

Oil: Benson + 2nd + 4th

Carolina: Faulk

If this is comparable to the Skinner trade maybe Carolina considers it.

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15 Aug 2018 13:01:51
Not enough at all for Faulk

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15 Aug 2018 14:04:13
And you slam me #McJesusChrist for my posts?
Not even close for Faulk.

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15 Aug 2018 14:11:24
I’m sure this is a joke related to pinball’s proposals but with Sekera out again, it’s worth a shot. Will Edmonton maybe sign Franson? I might be the only one who still thinks he’s good though, lol.

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15 Aug 2018 15:18:38
I think Franson should be playing. He will sign somewhere IMO.

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15 Aug 2018 16:39:20
This is so goofy Pinballs package can’t get Nyquist but this can get Faulk? I actually don’t mind this deal btw If Faulk could bring anything valuable back in a trade he would’ve already been move. Obviously every nhl employee and I see that Faulk is a defensive liability and dosent have much value.

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15 Aug 2018 18:24:43
Oil should trade there first for Faulk. If it’s reasonable I’d trade more for him. He’s exactly what they need and now that Sekera is down they have an excuse to go for it. I’m not sure if it would work cap wise because they still need to sign Nurse but I’m sure they can make it work.

I’m usually against trading futures for short term solutions but they have McDavid so they can and should be in the playoffs and not thinking about the future.

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15 Aug 2018 20:14:43
I am not sure I would givr that much up for Faulk. -109 on his career.

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15 Aug 2018 20:26:55
Oilers should be in on Faulk for sure. I don’t get Chiarelli. He has had no problem making bold moves before (hall, eberle, getting Reinhart, even dealing Yakopov) and then this one seems so obvious and shouldn’t be nearly the cost of those and he seems to be dragging his feet finding the RH puck mover. Is it that he’s more cautious and reluctant because the last few haven’t worked out? Or just not interested? Hard to say.

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15 Aug 2018 23:59:03
What a joke for Faulk. Wishful thinking. If Faulk is so bad, why would Edmonton trade for him?

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16 Aug 2018 01:31:39

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16 Aug 2018 01:33:52
Jim agree with you idk what is wrong with Chiarelli. I for sure thought oil would make a move on Duclair and the fact he signed for 650k blew me away.

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16 Aug 2018 14:51:03
If he isn’t so bad why wouldn’t they have traded for him yet? He’s on the block.

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16 Aug 2018 14:52:17
It seems like he only wants to do these massive deals that are going to be okay if they work out, and terrible when they go wrong. Like that hall one, if everything went his way, it might be close to even, but he would never win that trade. Same with eberle. It was either close to even or a massive loss. His risk/ reward gauge is terrible lol like you said Duclair would have been such low risk at that price. Skinner would have been a chance for him to hit a homerun at that price. So confusing.

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15 Aug 2018 01:38:48
Vancouver trades:
Loui Eriksson + Ben Hutton

Oilers trade:
Milan lucic + 2nd 2019 pick.

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15 Aug 2018 05:08:03
Lucic will bounce back and that’s not a good trade for oil imo maybe if Stretcher or a rhd was involved maybe.

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15 Aug 2018 19:42:05
If you look at the contract of Eriksson and lucic... Eriksson base salary for this year is 5 million..next 2 years is 4 million. Each year the base salary is 1 million with exception to the last year the rest of the $$ is in signing bonuses. Lucic on the other hand his base salary is 3+ million... so that would come out of the salary cap... this would be fair... and sekera is out for the year... Hutton needs a change of scenery... one year left on a contract...it could work out, it might not. But if they don't like him... don't sign him again.

This is a win win win for both sides

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15 Aug 2018 20:30:26
All the money comes out of salary cap lol doesn’t matter if it’s base salary or signing bonus. Even a front loaded salary means nothing, hence AAV (Average Anual Value) total cap hit of both is $6 mill. Salary structure has zero impact on the cap. Only on the owners pocket.

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14 Aug 2018 13:56:12
Detroit Trades

Toronto Trades
Joshua (Big-10)
2nd Round Pick 2019
6th Round Pick 2020

Red Wings are in some Cap issues and with more of a rebuild underway and Nyquist to become a UFA after this Season this makes sense for them, plus Leivo will be a regular in the NHL finally which he deserves.
The Leafs add to there Top 6 and Babcock knows Nyquist well from his Detroit Coaching days, it also sets up another Trade to get a Defenceman with either Connor Brown or Kapanen plus there 2019 1st Round Pick being the center pieces.
Ok this post isn't a Panarin Trade Proposal and really does make sense for both Teams.

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14 Aug 2018 14:16:27
I think you need help.

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14 Aug 2018 14:56:38
For this return, I think Detroit is better off just letting him walk at the end of the year.

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14 Aug 2018 15:20:29
Similar to the Skinner Trade everyone and Detroit has to get the Cap Space down, to say #memarcusjoe that the Wings would rather Nyquist walk than get that in return tells me you are only looking at this Season for Detroit who won't make the Playoffs with or without Nyquist and Detroit doesn't care about the future or the Salary Cap rules.
I do believe on here people see it's a Pinball Post so of course it's slammed.

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14 Aug 2018 15:46:11
Actually Pinball, it's just that if you want a team to trade with you, you need to give them an incentive. You've offered two players with a low percentage chance of becoming 4th liners in the NHL. Along with 2 picks that have an even lower chance of making it to the NHL at all. So, why would they trade him? They can likely get at least that return and probably more at the deadline from a contending team and they've been able to use him for half a season.

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14 Aug 2018 17:55:58
mwmarcusjoe Nyquist was a 4th Round Pick so to say a 2nd Round Pick isn't worth anything makes no sense, the only reason Leivo isn't a regular is because the Leafs forwards are to deep and he has scored in every league he has ever Played in he just needs to play, Nyquist is a UFA and not as good as Skinner is and Carolina got less, so I see a trade even though you see Nyquist as more than what he is.

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14 Aug 2018 18:05:06
yeah no thanks,

You want nyquist start think rental price 1st and b prospect. Possible retention for a better prospect. Easy 20 goals and 30 assists. COuld produce more with a better team.

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14 Aug 2018 18:12:32
Pinball, exactly as Redwing1 says. The Wings will get more trading him at the deadline. They have no obligation to do the Leafs a favour and take a lowball offer just because you want them to. No matter how much you try to rationalize it.

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14 Aug 2018 18:19:07
Ok #redwing1

Nyquist for Leivo, Joshua, 1st Round Pick 2019.

Is that enough?

I would do that if I where Dubas also.

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14 Aug 2018 19:11:57
Few things to consider:

1. Skinner may be the more productive player over Nyquist but also is way more injury prone which lowered his value. Nyquist is healthier and could use a change of scenery.

2. Detroit has been under Babcock's coaching for so long that many players are tired of him. I think even Nyquist can attest to this, so him wanting to go to Toronto based on familiarity may only be one sided. You would have better luck with Glenndenning instead.

3.With Zetterberg's likely injury, he will go on LTIR. So we don't need cap space immediately. We can get it easily by deadline trading these players. There is not a big rush.

4. If we trade Nyquist as a rental, we will still have enough room to maximize his value. We obviously won't get what Tatar got but we could still get a 2nd, 3rd and ok prospect. Maybe even more with retention.

5. @Pinball, your last deal still only gives us a first of value and two useless players. I think we could get better elsewhere if that's TOs best offer.

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14 Aug 2018 19:18:33
Again the Wings are over the Cap by almost 4 million, they have to shed salary before preseason not at the deadline mwmarcusjoe.
Salary Cap rules are in place and Detroit is over the Cap.

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14 Aug 2018 20:00:58
Skinner is injury prone #Datsyuk_Fan13?
Skinner in 4yrs has missed 8 games Nyquist 6 games only 2 more games than Nyquist, so before you post know your facts, Skinner is a better player than Nyquist again that's a fact, also what Carolina got for Skinner is still less than my proposal, Carolina set the bar for 50 point wingers going into there last year before being a UFA and weather it's the Leafs or another Team what I proposed is about right. Again that's fact.

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14 Aug 2018 20:43:02

I was referring to Skinner having had multiple concussions in his history. He is finally starting to show signs of recovery.

Concussion issues even in the past still hurt trade value.

If h gets another one, then those many games played the last 4 years you mentioned are pointless.

I agree Skinner is the better player but doesn’t mean everyone else will sell for that low.

Also the Canes took this deal because they didn’t want to risk lowering his value, an injury or poor production would have hurt it.

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14 Aug 2018 20:46:05
I’ll just say this. There is absolutely no way Nyquist should get what Skinner got. I think a 2nd for Nyquist is more then fair but even just giving a 7th is redundant from a Toronto POV where would he even play?

A team like Columbus will probably acquire him for a 2nd or a 3rd + a prospect. Teams are starting to become reluctant to trade 1sts and no one will give an Unconditional 1st.

I feel like just the username it’s self is leading to hate.

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14 Aug 2018 20:50:22
Also in regards to cap space, I am pretty sure LTiR will end up covering most of this.

If not then we will make a trade and get the return we like, so far I’m not loving the Leafs proposal you mentioned so don’t count on the leafs getting Nyquist.

P. s I looked up and found a fact that the last trade between Wings and Leafs was March 24, 1998

Not expecting another one anytime soon.

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14 Aug 2018 21:23:45
I just don't think the Skinner trade set a bar (TBH I don't think there is ever a bar ) . Mostly because when there is a good player to get and there is no NTC then a biding war happens ya it might not get super high. IK we all think our GM is stupid at times but they also look to what they think is best for the team. For all we know Skinner could have been sold low due to them just wanting to trade him and his NMC affected some of those trades.

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14 Aug 2018 23:14:31
That's true ctc and also the prospect they got back could have been higher on there radar then most people think he is.

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15 Aug 2018 05:36:06
Nyquist isn’t really anything special tho no team will start a bidding war.

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15 Aug 2018 17:27:01
Why is there an argument about nyquist on here.
after the leafs detroit is my second favourite team, nyquist really isn't that great highest points in season was 54, 4 years ago. he has had 40, 48, 43, 54, 48 over his past 5 years in the league. He is not worth a 1st as a bunch of guys on here are saying (could he get a return with one, honestly I wouldn't be surprised. i won't overestimate nhl gms)

on the the return, a 2nd + 3rd/ 4th probably gets him. With Lievo he easily makes the red wings top 9 (without nyquist) would you take any of glendenning/ bertuzzi/ frk over him? i sure as hell wouldnt. he doesn't fit on the leafs forwards core because they have at least 12 fwrds better than him.

I'd love for Det to get a 1st for nyquist but i'm not sur eit will happen. also why does nyquist fit on the leafs? the only forwards I take nyquist over are brown, ennis, lindholm who will most likely be tor's 4th line. (for what its worth nyquist is probably better than kapanen/ johnsson right now but i take that youth and upside over him our top 9)

Wow I just wasted my time on Gustav Nyquist. i swear he better get the wings a 1st now.

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15 Aug 2018 20:44:28
Skinner had his injuries earlier but they weren’t missing tons of time. And over his last 5 seasons, he has 140g while missing a total of 18 games. An argument of Nyquists durability over skinner does not hold water lol.

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15 Aug 2018 21:59:22
Big Z, well said. You’re dead on. Only guys he could beat out are guys we expect to put up his type of pts (45-55) down the road and they’re dirt cheap right now and need the experience. Extremely counter productive.

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15 Aug 2018 22:34:39
We don't need more offence.

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15 Aug 2018 23:07:29
Big Z is right 100%.

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16 Aug 2018 21:14:37
That is what everyone is saying. But for some reason every leaf trade proposed has been for a fwd and they don't need that and we all see it and disagree because of that fact not value wise.

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