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19 Sep 2014 16:15:31
What would it take to get stamkos out of tampa since in 2 years he might go to toronto anyways?
Just a dream trade I'm 100% aware this won't ever happen
Just seeing if the values there
Ottawa:stamkos kucherov

Tampa:Ryan phillips wiercoch Prince stone hammond 2016 1st 2017 1st 2016 2nd

Richi3snipes

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19 Sep 2014 16:14:45
Well, I may as well take my shot at the Evander Kane sweepstakes:
Buffalo: Cody Hodgson, Jhonas Enroth, Brady Austin & 2015 2nd.
Winnipeg: Evander Kane

stanleycup2019

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19 Sep 2014 00:20:42
ott trades : ryan, wiercoch

nyi trades : okposo , bailey ,


macarthur - turris - okposo

michalek - legwand - zibanejad

hoffman - bailey- chiasson

greening- smith - neil/stone

methot - karlsson

cowen - borowiecki

phillips - ceci

spare: gryba

anderson
lehner

Stammer

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18 Sep 2014 21:40:09
Mtl: Plekanec, pateryn
Nas: Ellis, Gaustad, stalberg, 4th

Slug200

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18 Sep 2014 16:03:09
Ryan Johansen. This contract dispute has been horribly handled. There is bad blood between the team, the agent, and the player at the age of 21 years old. This situation will not end well for any side. I could see the agent losing his job, the Blue Jackets losing a valuable player, and making Johansen feel out of place/unwanted.

Now assuming they situation does not get better, they will trade Johansen. Possibly a sign and trade because GMs don't tend to offer sheet players.

If the were to trade Johansen, they will get a decent return, not what it should be, but what they can get. A 21 year old player, top-line center, 30+ goals, and 30 assists on the resume. He will be wanted by nearly every team in the league. The teams with the best chance to acquire him. Would be.

Edmonton, Toronto, Vancouver, Carolina, Nashville, Arizona, and Winnipeg.

These teams have a higher chance of acquiring him do to the fact that they have the assets to acquire him.

The asking price? A quality draft pick (Top 15), a young forward (preferably center), and a Top 4 defender. This would address needs of Columbus, considering they won't get full value for Johansen.

TOR: Johansen
CBJ: Kadri, Franson, 1st Round Pick, 3rd Round Pick

EDM: Johansen
CBJ: Yakupov, Klefbom, 1st Round Pick

VAN: Johansen
CBJ: Gaunce, Jensen, Corrado, 2nd Round Pick

CAR: Johansen
CBJ: E.Staal, 2nd Round Pick

NSH: Johansen
CBJ: Wilson, Josi, 1st Round Pick

ARZ: Johansen, 3rd Round Pick
CBJ: Domi, Yandle, 1st Round Pick

WNG: Johansen
CBJ: Kane, Little, 2nd Round Pick

Any suggestions?

JF12

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Ottawa would be a better fit than those cause they have ryan to trade the other way

Richi3snipes

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Wow, you think rather highly of ryjo.

el troubadour

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18 Sep 2014 17:19:26
Your value for each trade is extremely different from team to team.

Gaunce, Jensen, Corrado, 2nd does not equal Kane, Little, and a 2nd.

Just in general, your trade proposals are quite off from each other.

Ace

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18 Sep 2014 18:54:29
Just cause this guy wants a fortune for his contract doesn't make him more appealing. Infact he clearly have player-managment issues and seems to be a huge problem for cbj. I don't see other teams offering as much as they would for him because of these contact conflicts

Beleaf

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1st off Kadri has better numbers look at the stats they don't lie.
Then you want to add Franson a 1st and a 3rd as well?
This isn't Crosby or Stamkos here people.

Pinball

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100% agree with what ace said.
RJ won't be traded, I'm sure they would rather take an offer sheet and get like 3 1st round picks

Drownedfish

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RyJo wants 6+mil a year, all deals a too much for a one season 33 goal output. Take away all the 1st round picks. Then it's framed-up a bit better IMO.

cosain

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Value won't be equal from team to team ace. Because there are different players on each team.

Using the Vancouver and Winnipeg trades: Vancouver adds more because there isn't a piece close to the skill level of Johansen

JF12

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More like:
Bozak, franson, C. Brown

Johansen

Stammer2016KadriShow

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19 Sep 2014 07:28:23
3 1st round pick would mean he signs an offer sheet in the 8-9 mil range or somewhere around there anyways. no way any team is that dumb for what could be a one season wonder. not saying he is, but there have been guys like that before and there surely will again

Shankar

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^
Not even close

Chirp

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18 Sep 2014 12:56:33
Mtl: Plekanec + 2 rnd 15 + 6 rnd 16

Det: Mantha

Or

Mtl: Plekanec + Thrower + 2 rnd 15

Cbj: Johansen

Or

Mtl: Eller + Thrower

Cbj: Johansen

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Detroit won't trade Mantha unless galchenyuk's name is involved same goes for Columbus and Johansen.

steamer

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MTL adds in all 3

HockeyGodsGift

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18 Sep 2014 15:17:32
All 3 heavily favor MON

Draisaitl_94

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Those are horrible. As much as I personally don't understand the mantha hype I do understand that executives around the league feel very highly of him. MTL needs to add in all a significant amount. Draisaitl knows!

Soobydoo

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French table scraps for a race horse. lol Thrower.

cosain

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19 Sep 2014 01:15:26
Plekanec + Thrower + 2 rdp
Or
Eller + Thrower

For Johansen??

First off, heavily favor Montreal.
Secondly, in what world is Eller better or worth more in a trade than Plekanec? Brutal.

Titties

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What do they put in your poutine out there? I agree in the past some Leaf trades were bad on this site but Hab fans have taken over 1st place on over valuing their players

leaffan

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18 Sep 2014 08:08:27
To Boston: Yakapov
To Edmonton: Boychuk & Reilly Smith

Lefty19

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Boychuck and Marchand would fit in nicely in Edmonton IMO, but Yako is too risky for most teams, to me, it just feels like the "Kovalchuk bolt" is high on Yakos list.

cosain

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Chiarelli politely refuses and hangs up.

seabass2011

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18 Sep 2014 07:54:11
To Columbus: Eberle & Petry
To Edmonton: Johansen

Lefty19

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It's close. They would probably want a better prospect like Klefbom.

THEGR81

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18 Sep 2014 17:20:05
Eberle for Johansen straight up.

Ace

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Eberle > johansen

Cd1

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Ebbys proven a consistent scorer' RyJo isn't' if Ebby gets shipped out then Edmonton brings in a Dman Stud

Ebby, Nurse, 2nd & 3rd for S.Weber

cosain

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19 Sep 2014 06:39:55
eberle does not have to the same value as johansen IMO. RJ is a rising number one centre, while eberle first line winger. Centre>winger

Thehockeyman22

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^ try using some objective analysis. Yes Eberle is a more proven player, but that doesn't mean CBJ is willing to move Johansen 1 for 1.

THEGR81

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18 Sep 2014 04:15:48
Canucks:Markstrom,Higgins,Hansen,anda 1 round pick

Jets: Kane and maybe a 7 round pick

penguin3217

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18 Sep 2014 17:20:39
To much from Van.

Markstrom, Burrows and a 2nd. should do the trick.

Ace

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Spare muffler parts for a motor' got to give to get'

Kassian' Markstrom & 1st for E.Kane

cosain

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19 Sep 2014 06:41:50
that is wayy to much. kane needs to prove what he can do this year before teams start making packages for him

Thehockeyman22

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Kassian Markstrom, Gaunce, 1st for Kane and low pick/prospect?

thejazz97

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18 Sep 2014 01:52:54
Ottawa and Winnipeg trade :

At deadline:

Ottawa acquires: Evander Kane
Patrice cormier

Winnipeg acquires : Craig Anderson
Milan Michalek
Shane prince
2nd 15 ( dal )
2nd 16 or 3rd 16

Ottawa lineup :

Clarke MacArthur - Kyle Turris - Bobby Ryan

Evander Kane - legwand - mika zibanejad

Greening - mike Hoffman - Alex chiasson

Stone - smith - Neil

Spares : condra , lazar , Cormier


Methot - karlsson

Wiercoch - cowen

Phillips - ceci

Spares : gryba and borowiecki

Lehner
Hammond


Winnipeg lineup :

Ladd - little - wheeler

Michalek - scheifle - byfuglien

Frolik - perrault - halischuk

Galiardi - slater - Coburn

Spares: peluso and tangradi


Tobias enstrom- bogosian

Stuart - trouba

Clitsome - postma

Spares : pardy , morrisey , ellerby

Anderson
Pavelec

Stammer

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Unless Lehner has a truly unreal breakout year, the Sens would be a bottom-ranked team after this trade. Worse than Winnipeg even. I'll bet Kane would be a real treat after that trade.

Makes Ottawa worse, IMO.

Chirp

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Bad for both teams

cosain

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I don't know I would do it

Sensforlife

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17 Sep 2014 21:29:47
I think the Oilers and CBJ should figure out a trade. It sounds like Johanson and CBJ are not seeing eye to eye. I have read that CBJ has offered reasonable offers but nothing.
IMO maybe Johansen just doesn't want to play for the Blue Jackets any more.

SO;

Oilers - Johansen (there is our 2nd line center)

CBJ - Yakupov, Arcobello


** CBJ gets a young talented winger in Yakupov and a soild player in Arcobello.

** Oilers get the bigger 2nd line center they need and then they don't need to rush Draisaitl into that position.

Could it happen?

oilfan10

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Big no from Columbus. If you want Johansen you need to talk bigger, such as RNH, Eberle, Hall etc. arcobello and Yakupov are not at that level yet. Johansen is and Columbus is a 'Win Now' team.

JF12

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17 Sep 2014 22:08:30
Oilers add, not every 1st pick turns out to be great, ryan has proved he's good in the nhl and yak not yet

Beleaf

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I guess it makes sense. If I was Columbus I would want a bit more though. Sure the number one overall pick is great, and will become good in the future. But now, he is not worth that much. Arcobello is a 3rd line center, Columbus have plenty.

IMO; Edmonton should add a pick

Oils2014

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18 Sep 2014 00:18:14
Maybe for Yakupov, Arcobello and a 2015 or 16 1st.

Ace

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I would say edm adds a 2nd and its fair

Cd1

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So what Draistl plays 3rd line for the next 15 years?

Drownedfish

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18 Sep 2014 05:12:56
Oilers add a 2nd/3rd

Draisaitl_94

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Good trade but don't know if it would happen

oilersfan4

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The trade seems decently fair, but I think someone other than Arcobello being included would be better for the Oilers. Johansen takes #2C on his expensive two-year bridge deal, Arcobello takes #3C, and Draisaitl goes to Europe for next year as planned. Then, the following year, Johansen (or, honestly, possibly RNH if he doesn't up his game) gets moved for a #1 or #2D, and Draisaitl comes into the league more seasoned and takes over #2C.

Maybe Yakupov and Davidson, off the top of my head?

That being said, Johansen won't be traded. Pipe dreams.

Chirp

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IMO CBJ would be looking for an equivalent return to what they would get in an offer sheet, relative of course to a number of factors (I am not saying they want 4-1st round picks for him, but a proven player, some decent prospects and/or higher draft picks is probably close).

With that said Edmonton needs to add. Not because Johansen is anything but a good young hockey player but bc you have to overpay for young talent.

THEGR81

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17 Sep 2014 20:59:46
Stl: Petry 3rd

Edm: berglund

qwerty93

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And sign Derek Morris

Datsik_91

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People say, no; this trade won't happen because Sabotka went to the KHL. Now, it might happen since St.Louis signed Paul Stastny. And it will give Ivan Barbashev a chance to make the 3rd line.

And it won't rush Draisaitl, if you look at their rookie games. Draisaitl hasn't played great. Bogdan Yakimov has a bigger chance making it.

Oils2014

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Sounds fair, but this issue with this is that STL is already overrun with dmen as is. There's already talk that they might move Leopold or Cole before the season starts.

Chirp

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17 Sep 2014 19:47:01
Winnipeg said would ask a top 6 forward a prospect and a pick for kane

Mtl should offer Plekanec-Tinordi-1st pick


Pacioretty-DD-Parenteau
Kane_Galchenyuk-Gallagher
Bournival-Eller-Bourque
Prust-Maholtra-Weise

Emelin-Subban
Markov-Gilbert
Beaulieu-Weaver
*Moen-bouillon

Im a habs fan

Ill throw the same deal to Colombus for Johansen right

gis1838

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No deal from Winnipeg and Columbus. Plekanec is a good 2 way player who is on the decline, Tinordi is a slow skater who can't shoot or pass the puck and a 1st who will be anywhere from 20 to 30th. Kane still has a lot of upside , Gallagher, Beaulieu and a 1st 2016 is more reasonable.

steamer

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Pretty bad honestly

Drownedfish

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Good value, but Plekanec is even hated by the pope' Tinordi, 1st & Gallagher would seal Kane up for the Habs.

cosain

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17 Sep 2014 17:30:28
I would love to see this happen I know it won't but just looking to see if values there, just looking for feed back no hate

Ott gets: ekane seidenberg hutchison

Winnipeg gets:Ryan marchand anderson

Bos gets: Ladd methot bogosion prince

Richi3snipes

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You a Boston fan? Trade seidenberg +Marchand and get

Ladd, Methot, Bogosian, and Prince.

Ya those players wouldn't get you Bogosian+Ladd

JF12

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I'm actually an ottawa fan

Richi3snipes

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WPG gets Hosed!!

el troubadour

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17 Sep 2014 11:58:48
Boston Trades
Lucic
MSubban
1st Round Pick 2015

Winnipeg Trades
EKane

Of all the possible EKane Trades this one to me makes the most sense and I hate the Bruins.

Thoughts?

Pinball

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17 Sep 2014 17:15:25
i can tell you hate the bruins. lucic alone is too much.

Shankar

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17 Sep 2014 17:28:19
Its quite obvious that you hate the Bruins, the trade sucks, Winnipeg says Yes in a Heartbeat, Boston Laughs and hangs up.

Ace

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17 Sep 2014 17:28:35
Does indeed make sense. For Winnipeg.

Draisaitl_94

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WAAAAAAY too much from Boston

Ct

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Tooooo much from Boston.

Soobydoo

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Lucic and a 3rd for Kane and a 2nd. But Lucic will never end up in WPG.

thejazz97

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Lucic is worth mor than Kane imo

Sensforlife

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Horrible trade for Boston. Their basically throwing their future and one of there best players in the trash.

Bruins1737

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Way to much!
Lucic worth much than kane.

Jean-seb

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Lucic has zero talent, but is a consistent force on the ice, zero chance the B's move him.

Boychuck, Eriksson, Subban & 3rd for E.Kane & 1st solves up some issues for both teams.

cosain

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Yeah. Not going to happen. Lucic isn't going anywhere. At least not in that deal. lol

seabass2011

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19 Sep 2014 17:16:17
how does lucic have zero talent? the guy puts up 60 points a year, a total beast on the forcheck and prety much a presence wherever he is. imo he's one of the top powerforwards in the game

Shankar

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17 Sep 2014 11:11:42
I have used many of the posts on this blog, feedback on my posts & trade rumors on line, to make up these trades. As always, I welcome feedback.
First in a series of 6 moves where Tim Murray molds the Sabres into his own image:
Buffalo Tyler Myers ($5,500,000/5 yr) & Daniel Catenacci (Buffalo top LW prospect)
Detroit - Stephen Weiss ($4,900,000/4 yr, 31 yo), Johan Franzen ($3,954,545/5 yr 34 yo) & 2015 1st.
Detroit s cap space improves by $3,354,545.

stanleycup2019

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17 Sep 2014 17:29:58
If I were the Sabres,I wouldn't do that deal.
Fits DET needs, but Sabres get "better" for this year with Franzen and Weiss (which they shouldnt, in order to get the best possible shot at McDavid).
Also, I think they could get more for Myers elsewhere.
But technically, not a bad trade.

Draisaitl_94

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Buffalo is building a younger team for the future so it makes zero sense to trade for two aging albeit decent players (tho Weiss really hasn't been as good since leaving FLA). I see no long-term benefit to this deal for the Sabres.

Chirp

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18 Sep 2014 15:41:50
I like the trade. Buffalo gains another first round pick and I still think they are the worst team even with those two additions

Leafs_4_life

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17 Sep 2014 11:10:38
Second in a series of 6 moves:
Buffalo: Chris Stewart, Luke Adam & Phil Verone (Rochester Amerks top two scorers)
Pittsburgh: 2015 1st

stanleycup2019

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17 Sep 2014 17:17:49
the pick would have to be conditional on stewart signing I think, if not I can't see PIT giving up its 1st with no assurance of that.

Shankar

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If it's conditional it should be a 2nd if he doesn't sign.

thejazz97

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Thanks for the feedback. Remember any PIT 1st is going to be a very late (20-30) and with Stewart in the line up probably one of the last 4. The trade was actually proposed by MG69 and it received more positive replies than this post. Even with the above feedback, I think my proposed trade is fair to both PIT and BUF.

stanleycup2019

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18 Sep 2014 15:44:56
IMO the trade is fair as is. The penguins get a very valuable depth/role player in Stewart which is much needed by the pens who NEED to make it deep this year. I think Stewart helps them to do that.

Leafs_4_life

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17 Sep 2014 11:10:01
Third in a series of 6 moves:
Buffalo - Brian Flynn, FR (26 yo, $637,500/1 yr)
Boston - Chris Kelly CL (33 yo, $3,000,000/2 yr) & 2015 3rd. Kelly and Flynn played the same role for BOS and BUF respectively PK centers, similar scoring, min/gm, hits, blk shots. Murray takes on a contract to help the Bruins with their cap by $2,400,000 and is given a 3rd for providing cap relief.

stanleycup2019

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17 Sep 2014 11:09:21
Fourth in a series of 6 moves:
Offer Torry Krug $16,800,000 for 5yr, this will cost Buffalo a 2015 2nd, if Boston does not match the offer.

stanleycup2019

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17 Sep 2014 17:19:17
BOS matches without a doubt since you just cleared them 3 mil in that kelly trade

Shankar

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You can't offer Krug a contract because he was a college free agent and Buffalo wouldn't need him anyway with all the additions they made and your trades.

Bruins1737

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Thank you Bruins1737, I never knew that about first time free agents (not just college RFA). That is what I like about this site, I learn something every day. His only option is to sign with the KHL and apparently they made him an offer.
@Shankar, unfortunately for the Bruins even after LTIR Savard, they only have a little over $3.2MM of space, add in the $2.4MM if they traded Kelly, they would be hard pressed to sign both Reilly and Krug to decent contracts. But if I were Murray, I would still make that trade with Boston if Boston gave back a pick.

stanleycup2019

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18 Sep 2014 15:47:44
yea I forgot about smith lol, they could get rid of boychuk then and have room for him and not lose too much on D since they are very deep

Shankar

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17 Sep 2014 11:08:36
Fifth in a series of 6 moves:
Buffalo: Drew Stafford & Justin Kea
Ottawa: Marc Methot

stanleycup2019

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17 Sep 2014 17:31:03
Methot gets undervalued a lot.
He's Ottawas best defender, besides Karlsson. Thinking just defense, he IS ottawas best D.

Draisaitl_94

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17 Sep 2014 20:29:18
I agree 100% Draisaitl_94. That might be a little light for what Ottawa is looking for, but it's on the right track if they can't resign Methot Bryan Murray will be looking for a nhl ready winger to help them push for a playoff spot.

Titties

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Thanks for the feedback, gis1838 first proposed Stafford for Methot, I added Kea and thought that could me sufficient. Maybe something more needs to be added, and I am always open to suggestions.

stanleycup2019

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17 Sep 2014 11:07:31
Sixth and last in a series of 6 moves:
Sign Dustin Penner (a top 30 2014 UFA) to a 3 year $1,500,000/ yr contract. Penner is 31 yo, scored 35 pts and was +25 last year, he could add scoring, experience & muscle to the team s PP which ranked 29th last year.

stanleycup2019

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Keep in mind who Penner was lined with during the majority of last season (Getzlaf, Perry). And even with those linemates he had a very strong run and then hit a lengthy cold streak and got bumped down the lineup. I think 3yrs is a very risky endeavor for a player like Penner. A $1mil/1-yr deal would be the max I'd offer him, and probably only after a tryout offer has been extended and not merely as a free agency pickup. See how motivated he looks on a lackluster team these days first.

Chirp

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Thanks for all of the feedback.
@Chirp you are correct that $1MM for one year is better, low risk with high reward. I know he had pretty good line mates in LA, but he only played 15 min/gm and he only played 67 games. Remember if he is signed for $1MM, he can be put on waivers and if he is not claimed would only be a $100,000 cap hit.

stanleycup2019

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Penner played with the Ducks, my bad. I clicked send too fast.

stanleycup2019

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17 Sep 2014 11:05:02
I am not sure which direction Murray is taking this team but he signed 4 of the top 30 available free agents and traded for Gorges, none of them were "young", he may be looking to get into the playoffs this year. Franzen, Penner and Kelly all were on teams that won the Stanley Cup in the past 7 years, Gorges and Gionta were on a team that if it were not for Price s injury could have gone the Cup finals. That is a lot of successful playoff experience being added to the team. Adding Franzen, Weiss, Methot, Penner and Krug could be the missing keys to make it to the playoffs.
Franzen > Stewart, Penner > Stafford, Kelly = Flynn, Gionta > Conacher, Weiss at center> Ennis at center.
Meszaros > Myers, Krug > Ehrhoff, Benoit > McBain, Gorges > Tallinder, Methot>whoever was the 5th D-man
The lines could look like this
Moulson--------Hodgson-----Penner (#1 PP line)
Franzen---------Weiss--------- Gionta (#2 PP line)
Ennis------------Kelly-----------Mitchell (#1 PK line: Kelly/Mitchell)
Foligno------Girgensons------McCormick (#2 PK line: Girgensons/McCormick; aka-crash line)
Extra forwards:--Dalpe--Samuels-Thomas--Deslauriers
Meszaros---------Krug/ (if Boston matches the deal then Ristolainen)
Gorges------------Methot
Benoit-------------Pysyk
Extra defensemen:--Ristolainen--Weber--Strachan
This line up gives Hodgson two left handed shots to set up. Playing Penner with Moulson & Hodgson and Stafford with Weiss & Franzen may allow all 6 of them to have turnaround years. If that should happen either this team could compete or some of them could be moved for picks at the trading deadline and after the team has developed a winning attitude the kids could be brought up to strut their stuff. For example, trade Weiss and bring up Gregorenko, trade Hodgson and bring up Reinhart, , trade Meszaros and bring up Zaderov, trade Methot and bring up McCabe. Bring up Armia late in the season and move Gionta to the 3rd line. As usual, I am always looking for feedback.

stanleycup2019

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17 Sep 2014 17:22:30
at this point, without any deals made, BUF's addition are totally for leadership imo. none of the guys they brought in except for MAYBE moulson is a game breaker. the likes of gionta and gorges can greatley help the developmnet and shelter the young guys for the next couple years. I liked what they did actually, should pay off in a couple years.

Shankar

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17 Sep 2014 17:33:33
Still not a playoff team, not even in the East.
And, IMO the totally wrong direction for BUF. Contine the rebuild is what they should do, they already got very good prospects, they should keep adding to that, especially in that 15 draft.

And many of your > < are wrong IMO.
Franzen isn't > Stewart
Kelly >> Flynn
Meszaros < Myers
Krug = Ehrhoff
Benoit = McBain

Draisaitl_94

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He's just going too pawn them for picks at deadline

Sensforlife

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Thanks for all of the feed back. As a Sabre fan, I just hope they finish last again. @Shankar, you are correct about the pickups not being game breakers, but Meszaros, Benoit, Gorges and Gionta are a big upgrade over Ehrhoff, Tallinder, McBain and Conacher. Hard to say how much different the goaltending will be, Neuvirth looks like he could be a keeper. Lastly, if they are not traded Stafford and Stewart are in contract years, and we all know how that improves a players performance.
@Draisitl_94 I will not contest your player evaluation, because regardless, the total still adds up to better skaters after the trades than before the trades.
@Sensforlife, exactly!
Remember if all of the moves were made (except for Krug) Murray would pick up 2 1st and a 3rd, and if all of you are correct, they would still be a bad team.

stanleycup2019

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17 Sep 2014 08:22:01
Hansen, Lack and 2015 2nd for Andrew Ladd
Lines:
Daniel-Henrik-Vrbata(Scoring)
Ladd-Bonino-Kassian(Scoring)
Higgins-Horvat-Burrows(Defensive)
Matthias-Richardson-Vey(Grinding)

Edler-Besika(Offensive)
Hamhuis-Tanev(Defensive)
Sbisa-Stanton(Grinding)

Miller(Starting)
Markstrom(Backup)

Canucks

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I'm a Canucks fan, and I wouldn't do this.

thejazz97

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I thought the canucks are planning to keep lack and trade markstrom.

as95

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17 Sep 2014 05:09:25
Seeing a lot of E.Kane trades so here's my go.

Arizona Coyotes could use a big name up front.
ARI trades Boedker, Perelini and 2015 2nd & 3rd round picks
WPG trades Kane

Drownedfish

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IMO if Don Maloney offered those players for Kane, it would be hard for Kevin Cheveldayoff pass up. The rumors have Cheveldayoff asking for a top 6 forward, a prospect and a pick. So I am voting believable.

stanleycup2019

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Maybe a little to much from Arizona, but a great trade proposal. (I might be biased towards Boedker)

Nucker11

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17 Sep 2014 02:48:53
Neither Team can get deals done with key player.

This trade will happen before preseason starts.

OTE Ryan Johansen and 3rd pk.


Columbus: Bobby Ryan

BBIGDeal

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I stand by my prediction that CBJ/Johansen get a deal done in the area of 2yrs/$5mil per. Johansen's agent just needs to stop being such a hard-nosed moron.

Chirp

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Then throw in Johnson and rychel well you're at it!

Soobydoo

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Bad for CBJ

Drownedfish

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It's a bit different. Ryan is a UFA, Johansen still has a few years of RFA status. Maybe if Ryan was under contract.

THEGR81

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17 Sep 2014 17:25:58
yup, guess you don't really understand the UFA and RFA systems, ryan and johansen are in totally different situations.

Shankar

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17 Sep 2014 17:26:37
ryan holds all the cards in his egotiations, while johansen holds none

Shankar

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^I see what you did there "egotiations", haha, I love it!!

el troubadour

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17 Sep 2014 01:17:05
To Toronto: Rights to Horak, 5th if Horak does NOT play in the NHL.
To Edmonton: Joe Colborne

Joe Colborne will be a good edition to the 4th line center.

Oils2014

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Oilers don't need a 4th line center, they need a 2nd line center. And Colborne isn't a 2nd line center.

Chirp

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Doesn't colborne play for Calgary?

Nucker11

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Haha colborne has been on Calgary for overa year

canucks16

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16 Sep 2014 22:22:53
VAN:
Markstrom
Hansen


WSH:
Burakovsky
4th

thejazz97

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I'm a Canucks fan and as much as I would love this Washington would never do that. Horvat would have to go the other way

Drownedfish

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Now way that goes through, Burakowsky is a top prospect.

Soobydoo

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16 Sep 2014 22:05:55
Phi:Ryan
Ott:Morin,1st

OILDROP

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17 Sep 2014 01:33:45
thats a bit much for ryan, unless ryan confirms that he is wiling to sign an extension in philly. I know people here say that, but I give it essentially no merrit.

Shankar

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So a 2nd pairing dman and late 1st is too much?

leaffan

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17 Sep 2014 17:28:21
for one year of ryan and in this upcoming draft, yes, without a doubt.

Shankar

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16 Sep 2014 21:43:06
WPG: Thornton, 2nd
SJS: Kane

Thornton is older but since he is such a good playmaker he could help WPG prospects develop to their full potentials. Look at what he did for Tomas Hertl, setting him at a 30+ goal rate during his rookie season. The 2nd is just because Thornton doesn't have as many years left compared to Kane.

Another trade could be:

OTT: Yakupov
EDM: Ryan, (conditional 2nd if he doesn't resign)

Yakupov is younger which is why EDM gets the conditional pick but if Ryan could still produce for the Oilers. Yakupov will give the Sens a young emerging player that has been recent long struggling but has a lot of potential. ***NOTE: The 2nd round pick could be removed***

ProDepth

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Really think thorton is going to waive his No trade to leave California and go to Winnipeg?!

BP55

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17 Sep 2014 01:23:57
So if Ryan bolts after a season edm is left with a measly second for a first overal pick who I believe can score 25 30 goals very soon?

Eberle14

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Far too expensive for an old player who is brought in to teach the youth. Not that Thornton would agree to the trade anyway.

Chirp

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16 Sep 2014 21:42:54
Trades:
- Jannik Hansen and 2016 1st for Mike Richards
Lines:
Daniel-Henrik-Vrbata
Burrows-Richards-Kassian
Higgins-Bonino-Vey
Matthias-Richardson-Dorset

Edler-Besika
Hamhuis-Tanev
Sbisa-Stanton

Miller
Lack

Canucks

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The kings where seriously contemplating buying out Richards this offseason I doubt it would take that much he does play 3rd line center. That's a lot of salary!

Soobydoo

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16 Sep 2014 19:21:40
Edm: Plekanec Bourque, Beauliou or Tinordi

Mtl: Eberle 3rd

hall rnh yak
perron pleks bourque
pouliot arcobollo purcell
hendricks gordon lander

pax des gallager
prust gal ebs
sekac eller pa
moen manny wiese
bournival

Thoughts? value?

qwerty93

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Not enough from MTL.

Soobydoo

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Ebs would play first line IMO

Cd1

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U can't trade me for that!

Eberle14

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17 Sep 2014 04:30:40
Prust on the second line is laughable.

Titties

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Oilers could use Plekanec and Habs can keep the rest (Oilers are flooded with d prospects and just brought in Pouliot and Purcell so they don't need the up-and-down Bourque). But Plekanec won't get you Eberle so this trade idea needs a lot of tweaking, to say the least.

Chirp

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16 Sep 2014 17:49:27
PIT: 1st and conditional picks
BUF: Stewart, Adams, and Verone
*As suggested by stanleycup2019 with my addition of conditional picks.

PIT: Dupuis, Bennett, Depress, and Conditional 2016 1st
WPG: Kane
*May be a stretch. But Jets get an establishef two eay RW, a young forward who can play both wings who has showed signs of becoming a great secondary scorer, a solid young lefty dman, and possibly a conditional pick depending on how Kane performs. He is out of their conference and they get good key players to help now and in the future.

PIT: Scuderi
NYI: 2nd or 3rd
*Good vet dman for a young dcore. Adds stability on Isles back end and clears cap for the Pens.

Lines:
Kunitz-Crosby-Stewart
Kane-Malkin-Hornqvist
Spaling-Sutter-Downie
Carcillo*-Goc-Comeau
Extras: Adams and Megna
*Assuming Carcillo gets signed

Martin-Letang
Maatta- Ehrhoff
Dumoulin/Harrington/Pouliot-Bortuzzo
Extra: one of either Dumoulin, Harrington, and Pouliot

Fleury- Griess

Opinions? Makes the Pens a bigger, faster, stronger, and better team. Great depth down the lineup. Trades address needs for the other teams involved IMO.

MG69

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I think Tim Murray would like the idea of getting another 1st (probably a very late one if not #29 or 30). Just for clarification it is Luke Adam who is a center and was the Amerks #2 scorer, Mark Adams is a low rated D-man.

stanleycup2019

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Wpg easily says no

el troubadour

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Auto correct on the phone -_-

MG69

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PIT:
Dupuis 34 years old not much time left in his career,
Bennett 22 years old and only played 47 NHL games,
Depress 23 years old and only played 85 NHL games,
Conditional 2016 1st probably a 20 - 30 round.
Where is the value?
WPG:
Kane

stanleycup2019

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16 Sep 2014 17:41:09
Bickell to Anaheim for Beleskey

CanadaEh

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No from Anaheim

JF12

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16 Sep 2014 16:47:40
Vancouver Canucks:

To NJ Devils: Markstrom
To Vancouver: 3rd Round Pick 2015

To NY Islanders: Higgins
To Vancouver: 2nd Round Pick 2016

To Columbus: 1st, 2nd, 3rd Round Picks 2015 (Compensation)
To Vancouver: Johansen (Sign to 6yr/6M per contract)

To Detroit: Tanev
To Vancouver: 4th Round Pick 2015

Lines

Daniel-Henrik-Vrbata
Burrows-Johansen-Hansen
Horvat-Bonino-Kassian
Richardson-Matthias-Dorsett
*Sestito, Archibald

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Sbisa
Corrado-Weber
*Stanton

Miller
Lack

CanadaEh

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16 Sep 2014 18:47:37
1. Higgins is not worth a 2nd
2. CBJ will match 6x6
3. Tanev is worth way more than a 4th rd pick

Draisaitl_94

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16 Sep 2014 16:30:47
So I was thinking about this for a while since it seems that ryan and methot won't resign in Ottawa and since johanson is having problems with the money in columbus I was thinking something like this

Ott Gets: Johansen Johnson Bjorkstrand

CLB gets: Ryan methot Prince wiercoch 2nd2016 2nd2017

Richi3snipes

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Great deal on both sides in my opnion takes alittle of the duties of turris then we have
Turris
Johansen
Zbad/lazar
Smith

Richi3snipes

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16 Sep 2014 18:11:30
pretty horrible for columbass imo. thei best forward and best defeseman for downgrades and depth they don't really need at all.

Shankar

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Horrible for CBJ.
And Johansen wants to stay in CBJ in spite of this deadlocked contract negotiation. It's all Johansen's stupid agent being an ass. CBJ and Johansen will figure it out eventually, there is no desire from either side for a trade to be done.

Chirp

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^ The agent takes instructions from the player (same as a lawyer/client). If the agent has his own agenda and is ignoring the players instructions, he should be fired and sued for any wages that may have been lost bc this deadlock.

THEGR81

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17 Sep 2014 17:32:20
yea the agent speaks for the player in regards to contract negotiations. what he says is what the payers expresses to him, he's more than happy to take the heat off his client though, since he doesn't have to play while johansen does and keeping his image relatively possitive is very helpful.

Shankar

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The agent takes instructions from the player? You nuts? Why would a player need an agent if he himself is deciding his worth? Agents make (strong) "recommendations" to their clients regarding their worth based on trends, inflation, cap trajectory, etc, and then deal with the teams in an attempt to get top dollar for their clients and for themselves. Johansen has the same agent as Turris, Morrisson (from back in the day), and numerous other NHL players who ended up in similar hard-ball negotiations. Back in the day, this particular agent stood pat for Morrisson and delayed him playing in the NHL during a contract year. Eventually, Morisson went to the Devils himself and asked for a trade because he just wanted to play. Turris's was the most recent debacle, but his was a little bit different because he himself made it known that he was unhappy with his situation and wanted a change and the Yotes obliged. But his agent was making outrageous demands even before that which PHX would never had agreed to. Those are merely two examples out of many.

Johansen wants to stay in CBJ but seems to be under the whip of his agent, which isn't terribly unexpected since it's his first big contract and he wouldn't really know how to handle it. The problem is that this guy keeps players under his thumb and acts like the team should be as well and it's leading to more and more situations like this. Johansen has had only one really solid season and his agent is asking for the world. And on a bridge deal no less. I don't blame CBJ for holding out.

Btw, all the info I stated above is from a recent Sportsnet article I read so I didn't just pull that info out of my arse.

Chirp

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If he wants to stay in Columbus than he will. He is the one who decides which contract he accepts after all he is the one getting paid. If he believes his agent i'd foing poorly than fire him. Personally if i'm Columbus I would only look at a one or two year deal. Johansen had a stellar season last year, but in the years before he was a healthy scratch in the AHL. If they did a one year deal and put up similar if not greater numbers than I would be throwing out the big money. Do I personally think it was a fluke season for him, no not at all. But if I'm Columbus I want to see atleast one more season of putting up points before a pricey and lengthy contract is given out.

MG69

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Chirp, some of what you're saying is true. But you're also way off on a couple of things. I know for a fact that an agent acts on the instruction of their client. That is a fundamental element of that relationship.

THEGR81

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16 Sep 2014 14:52:37
Boychuk to Edmonton for Petry and a 2nd in 2015

CanadaEh

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Bruins don't need anothe D, they need a Forward.

aKidNamedDean

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16 Sep 2014 14:39:23
If the Sens can't resign Ryan they should try to trade him to Detroit the Caps or Philly.

First I thought maybe Ryan for Kuznetsov at the deadline might work. The risk for the Caps that Ryan won't resign with them so maybe Ott adds a pick. And for Ottawa the risk is that Kuza doesn't live up to his potential, so maybe both have to add picks or prospects. Is this possible or unlikely?

Second I thought Ryan a 2nd and 3rd 2015 to Det for Jurco and Tatar (i know he's signed till 2017/18) but if Ryan signes with Detroit it would work.

For the Philly trade it should be Voracek or b. schenn coming back to Ottawa.

Thoughts?

benn14

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Actually a solid trade

CanadaEh

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Zero chance the Caps trade Kuznetsov. He's a top-tier prospect and the Caps have been eagerly awaiting him finally coming to the NHL. They're already eyeing him to take over the 2nd line center position after his limited play last season. He's going to be very good, it would be insane to give him up for another winger, especially one with just a year left on his contract and looking for an $8mil+ payday following that.

Chirp

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16 Sep 2014 09:06:33
Trade:
-Jannik Hansen for Patrick Wiercioch
-Jacob Markstrom to Arizona for 2015 3rd and 2016 3rd pick
Offer sheet:
-Jaden Schwartz
Lines:
Daniel-Henrik-Vrbata
Schwartz-Bonino-Burrows
Higgins-Vey-Kassian
Matthias-Richardson-Dorset

Edler-Besika
Hamhuis-Tanev
Sbisa-Wiercioch

Miller
Lack

Canucks

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It isn't worth it for Benning to get Shwartz. If he makes a low offer, St. Louis will match. If he makes a high offer, it hurts the team as they have a lot of big contracts already, as well as giving up some picks which he would much rather keep. Also Benning would want at least a player for Markstrom. Maybe a package deal?

thejazz97

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16 Sep 2014 06:04:23
Idek why but it seems people hate 3 way trades but sometimes they make it easier to trade high end players.

Montreal gets Nazem Kadri, and conditional pick in 2016 from WSH

Washington gets Tomas Plekanec or DD and a 2nd from Toronto

Toronto gets Mike Green and 3rd from WSH, Lars Eller and Juri Sekac

Obviously I'm a Habs fan but I tried to make this as unbiased as possible value wise. Montreal giving 3 players to get one seems like a lot but we would have 3 top 9 centres still just have a whole on wing that a prospect could maybe fill.

Washington clearly plays as a helping hand to Montreal and ideally that seems like no one would do it but it does help them getting a second line shut down centre or second unit Powerplay centre plus a pick.

Toronto gets a veteran who has lost a step but can help them out IMO at least. Lars Eller adds them centre depth and also get some nhl ready prospects ( Sekac questionable but Patryn could be a 6th or extra this year if they trade Franson at the deadline.

Idk if cap works it's just more a value for value trade lol.

Walleedj

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Washington declines, doesn't get enough for Green

tbay4life

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No way from T.O

leaffan

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Toronto gets the best deal IMO. Then Washington, then Montreal.

thejazz97

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So montreal gives up Plekanec, Eller, Sekac and a 2nd for Kadri.

No way from habs.

Habfan2

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Habs win the Sekac lottery and then trade him in a package for a player that really wouldn't help them all that much? Yeah, no.

Chirp

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16 Sep 2014 05:55:49
This trade won't happen I just wanna hear your thoughts

Habs trade Pacioretty
Leafs trade JVR

Who would have to add?

Drownedfish

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Sorry has jvr scored 39 goals? They do have similar injury problems. But I don't see them making this deal for more obvious reasons. The value isn't substantially off though.

Soobydoo

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Montreal. Big time.

thejazz97

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16 Sep 2014 13:57:14
Both say no, this trade has no point for anyone

Draisaitl_94

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At this point it may be a straight swap.

THEGR81

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16 Sep 2014 17:58:26
Read the post draisaitl_94, he clearly said the trade will never happen, just wanted to know if the the value was correct. Don't have to bash everything

Leafs_4_life

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Leafs add.

Chirp

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Leafs would need to add a 2nd

leaffan

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17 Sep 2014 17:36:18
Lol.
Btw I think noone adds, pretty equal.
If it would be my choice, I'd go JVR

Draisaitl_94

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Fairly equal, but if anyone has to add I'd say montreal , only because Pacioretty has more moments where he seems invisible.

steamer

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